Published: Tuesday, Nov. 13 2012 12:00 a.m. MST
"Last week, Obama said he was open to compromise with Republican leaders.
But the White House said he would veto any bill that would extend tax cuts on
income above $250,000."That being the case, exactly what is he
compromising on?Also saying that “Congress has acted each year
to prevent the AMT from hitting many more people.” is a misnomer. Since
they don't ever actaully solve the problem saying "Congress puts a
temporary band-aid on the problem each year", would be more accurate.
We voted for this recession. We wanted it, over the alternative of not having a
recession. We believe that if we punish enough "rich" people (aka.
people who have more than me), it will make us all feel better--even if
everyone's affected aversely. This is the direct result of
class envy. The vote was not about the economy, and now we get to ride the train
that we all boarded when we didn't care about it.
The Bush tax cuts were TEMPORARY for a reason. Those of you who
have bought into the notion that allowing the tax cuts to expire for those
making above $250K will be disastrous have been duped.If rates rise
for the richest Americans, they will still be paying lower taxes than under
Reagan.Conservative Bill Kristol -"It won’t
kill the country if Republicans raise taxes a little bit on millionaires. It
really won’t, I don’t think.""I don’t
really understand why Republicans don’t take Obama’s offer to freeze
taxes for everyone below $250,000.""Really? The Republican
party is gonna fall on its sword to defend a bunch of millionaires, half of whom
voted Democratic, and half of whom live in Hollywood and are hostile to
He's open to compromise? Sure. His idea of compromise reminds me of a
commanding officer I had in the military. He used to wear a button that said
"Be Reasonable. Do it my way".
Cutting federal spending will affect everyone, but save money for
everyone's grandchildren. Was that just a catch phrase? It is a good
thing that "rich" people cannot buy a free ride. The majority wants high
annual incomes taxed without the Bush tax cut. The election was hyped and
claimed by the opponents of the President as the election to determine the
future. The future is here. Was the election for the future only if Romney won?
Correction, raybies, "we" didn't vote for this recession. Half of
the country did and half did not. I am one of those who proudly voted for Mitt
Romney and an end to the irresponsible Obama years. I am discouraged about the
next four years and beyond.
Wait. WE all get to shoulder the burden of the "fiscal cliff"? Bring
it on. I am happy to pay my share, but I know I already pay way more than my
share. 35% Federal taxes doesn't seem so bad when it isn't you paying
that rate. 42%, once again, not so bad when it isn't you paying that rate.
Why should I have to pay it alone? Entitlements need to be whittled down to
the bare essentials. No more "obama phone" socialistic policies. I
hope we hit the fiscal cliff so everyone can feel the pain, not just "the
If you voted for Obama.. I don't want to hear from you when you are out on
the street. Sorry
We the People. Not us vs. them. Bring on the fiscal cliff. We should all
shoulder the burden. As nice as it sounds to only have a small percentage of
the people shoulder nearly all of the burden, it just won't work long term.
America is/was great because all have the opportunity to succeed, not because
we are all protected from failure.
Bring it.Let _all_ the Bush tax cuts expire, then start fro scratch
with a more rational approach.Let the automatic spending cuts
happen, especially in the DoD.When the public actually gets to see
how this particular batch of sausage is being made, they'll be less
inclined to pay for fighter jets the Air Force says it neither wants nor needs,
and they'll ask themselves how it is that the guys who made out like
bandits in the last ten years pay lower taxes than the rest of us do.End the special tax breaks for private jets and luxury yachts.Better yet, just reinstate the tax rates that existed at the end of the Reagan
Administration. Those were good for our economy. Bush-era tax rates have been
disastrous for everyone except the 1%.
I am for a FLAT TAXWe all pay the same tax when we buy a car,
groceries, etc. (States do vary on sales tax though)If you are LDS,
we all pay the same tithing.We all should pay the exact same
percentage for income tax, periodI a betting the rate for the
average person would go down.
The ignorance of basic economics is astounding, but given the sorry state of our
public education any more, not surprising.There are no "free
lunches" and politicians who have been buying votes by giving away "free
stuff" with borrowed money are responsible. Yes, both Democrats and
Republicans share the blame, but the 'rats are worse spenders and
borrowers.THe only solution is to cut spending on much loved
"freebie" and "entitlement" programs. Even if Defense were shut
down entirely and every dollar earned by "the rich" were confiscated, we
would still be broke.We must (and eventually will, regardless of
what any politician tells you) tax everyone, end "earned tax credits"
cut off the "Obama phones" funding for Public Broadcasting, foreign aid,
reduce Medicare, end the Social Security Ponzi scheme, Cash for clunkers,
college aid, environmental nonsense, and a host of other "nice to have"
stuff and reduce government jobs by 50%.Otherwise (or perhaps
anyway) we will end up with a violent rebellion in the streets by the
"takers" against the "makers". This is the consequence of
shifting from the greatest nation of free people to one of government encouraged
dependency and envy.
The majority of Obama supporters/voters believe the "fiscal cliff" is
somewhere in Colorado.
We have heard a lot about people paying "Their Fair Share." Hence, the
"low or no payers" must also start paying the same percent as everyone
else. We must stop politicians from "buying low income folks votes" by
giving them stuff, freebies and broken promises. If we are all truly committed
Americans, our fair-share is a small price to pay for our citizenship.Maybe we really should "reinstate the draft" and have all the youth,
responsible and irresponsible... gangs, unemployed and whinners actually see
what discipline, duty and obligation really are. Maybe if our current
social-justice lovers would put their works & deeds to work...... maybe a
price could be paid. We don't need "shovel-ready projects" and
more bull from constant campaigners. We need real jobs and real contributors,
but as a nation we just voted "no thanks." I'd rather get
freebies......It's truly sad when over 70% of births in some
groups have no men in the picture taking responsibility for their irresponsible
behavior......and guess who "picks up the tab."?Many of us
have worked 1 full time and part in the Reserve for 20 + years.I
have never felt so sad for my country.
Us liberals: We are so dumb. All we want are handouts. We are all lumped
together if we vote for Obama. And for those who say if Romney had won, things
would be better, prove it! I thought he would win, and I also said I might vote
for him, if he would only provide facts as to what his plan would entail. He
did not do so. The Romney/Ryan ticket was: We know we can do this, we just
don't know how or we are not going to tell you how. For all I know, and
Romney never answered this question, a lot of the economists were correct:
Romney would have raised taxes on those making between $100,000 and $250,000. I
believe that is the middle class. But my vote came down to social issues. The
economy has too many global factors for me to believe any one candidate, but the
social issues are what scared me away from Romney, and I believe that's why
"Middle income families would have to pay an average of about $2,000 more
next year"What a scam! President Obama said only if you made
more than 250K would your taxes wouldn't go up! What a liar! Fraud! And all
of you agreeing to pay more, speak for yourself! I did NOT agree to this ripoff.
Tax revenue currently is squandered. Why would I ever agree to paying MORE
taxes. I want to pay less! If I could have it my way, the incompetent and
totally corrupted men and women of Washington DC would not ever again receive
another single DIME of my money. Has Texas seceded from the union already? This
is absolutely ridiculous!
It looks like 8 years of sour grapes. The Hillary for eight more years of sour
grapes. Good thing Rush Limbaugh can do mot of the yelling for the next 16
Those who voted for the liberals, will live with the liberals.Too
bad the rest of us will also.A sixteen trillion debt equals a half
million dollars for every second in a year.No excuse for this, and
we'll pay for it.
If we go over the fiscal cliff we will be getting a taste of what future
generations will have to do pay off the debt we are accumulating. It is bad for
us, but it is going to be a lot worse for them.I think they should
raise taxes on the rich, I would like to see the Republicans call the Democrats
bluff because I know that Democrats won't means test the well to-do seniors
because they are politically powerful.
" And for those who say if Romney had won, things would be better, prove
it!"That is as dumb a statement as the President's
assertion that 9% unemployment was much better than 13%Maybe we can
say that the General Petraus scandal wasn't so bad...at least there
wasn't two affairs covered up...oh wait...I mean three...The
justification for the bad things by pointing to a fictitious unknown that is
worse is not a valid argument.BTW...Has everybody noticed the really
slick spelling assistant the D News has incorporated on the forums? Pretty
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