Published: Tuesday, Nov. 13 2012 12:00 a.m. MST
Call a spade a spade. Rhetoric is the effective use of language. Demogoguery
is the use of language to inflamce passions and prejudices. I think politicians
(both sides) are prone to demogoguery rather than rhetoric. Voters need to be
aware of the difference and not be influenced by demogoguery.
Ben, you just don't get it. Hyperbole is what conservatives have become!
Do a simple test, watch MSNBC's Rachel Maddow, or Chris Hayes, for 10
minutes, and then turn on ANY of the AM radio conservatives for 10 minutes, and
see what you find. Both sides are partisan, but Rachel, and Chris,
have their charts and graphs, the AM crowd have their over the top fear, and
Jon Huntsman's positions on the issues were generally quite conservative.
The reason he didn't catch on with the Republican primary electorate was
because he sounded too reasonable and to nice. They wanted anger.
Larry: Talk about picking carefully what evidence you present! "Both sides are partisan, but Rachel, and Chris, have their charts
and graphs, the AM crowd have their over the top fear,..." So
exactly how does one show a chart on the radio? Seems like a very unfair
comparison. If you like charts so much, how about one showing 23
million unemployed? I can make a chart to say anything you like, or don't
like.By the way, referring to the radio shows as AM is demagogic,
inferring it is cheap and low quality. I guess the left does it too. (It is on
FM also, by the way)Hooray for all those who prove daily in these
comments that Obamaphones are alive and well in Utah!
Right. The GOP just needs to learn to lie even more sneakily.
To thine own self be true...If you are a duck, you should walk and
quack like a duck. That way, people who want to vote for a goose know that
you're a duck and won't inadvertently vote for a duck.
The GOP needs to re-tool floor-to-ceiling, wall-to-wall.If they
don't, they wont see a Republican president for eons.Romney's
campaign was very poorly handled. He tried to appeal solely to your
grandfather's GOP demographic, and not only did he ignore, but ticked off
women, retirees, gays, straights, students, immigrants, auto workers, small
businesses, medium-sized businesses, the businesses he crumbled, his home state,
his other home state, his veep's home state, lots of other states, unions,
civil unions, the elderly, the young, single parents, teachers......A very
comprehensive botching of the business of a campaign.Romney has no
business anywhere near the White House, and the intelligent voters of this
nation saw through his smokescreens and salesmanship.
I think it will require more than just a change in tone but a tonal shift would
be helpful. The concept of "all anger all the time" is not working (and
shouldn't work). Cool thoughtfulness and a spirit of at least some
bipartisanship should rule the day.
So...essentially you want the GOP to lie to voters? That is the nucleus of your
argument. Don't change what you believe, just don't tell other people
what that is. Or at least sugar-coat it so it sounds far less offensive. And
then put those beliefs into legislation once you are elected and it is too late
for the voters to do anything about it.
Isn't it interesting that the liberal left wants to dictate to the
conservative right how the right should think and how the right should present
itself.The liberal left has enough to worry about. Now they have to
explain how the most liberal President ever elected will provide jobs for
23,000,000 Americans. He put millions on welfare during his first term. What
will he do differently this time? How will he create jobs? What will he change
about his policies? The Democrats won the White House. Let's
see them put Americans back to work.
Mike Richards said: "The Democrats won the White House. Let's see them
put Americans back to work."Romney Said he would need 10 years,
so how many days are you going to give Obama?
This letter brought up some great points."Focus on the problems
and find solutions."Exactly! We've all been waiting for
years for the GOP to finally do this. Instead, they're too busy talking
about rape, Libya, birth certificates, and Big Bird. How many economic plans
could have been created with just half the time and energy spent ranting about
Obama's birth certificate or college transcribes? Yet, the GOP
hasn't changed yet. They are still merely posting rhetoric and not offering
solutions. "Americans are sick of old and tired rhetoric. They
want things fixed."Which is exactly why Obama was reelected. "Isn't it interesting that the liberal left wants to dictate to
the conservative right how the right should think and how the right should
present itself."Isn't it interesting that the wacky right
for years has been describing what the left thinks? Despite never actually doing
research?Here's a tip, the Democrats are winning politically.
It might be worth it to research what they're doing right. Jeez, no wonder why the GOP is so out of touch with this country!
When appealing to the lowest common denominator, you need to get pretty low.
Hence faux news and AM radio exists. A certain percentage of people need to
believe in a boogy man and conspiracy theories, otherwise they won't know
what to be afraid of. Meanwhile life goes on for the rest of us and their
fears never actually become reality.
@ Mav...What the Democrats are doing is being IN clusive, not EX
As I compare two posters here, Twin Lights and Mike Richards, both conservative.
One is willing to make progress, the other stands steadfast, not budging. I find myself agreeing with Twin Lights. I'm not fully conservative, but
I'm not fully liberal either. I need moderation. I needed a 3rd party to
chime in and keep the other two straight. Most of us dont' want to
be angry all the time. And we don't want to be led by extremists. Looks
like most of the country agreed with that by the results of last election.
What was said : "Soften the Political Rhetoric in the GOP"What was
NOT said: "but KEEP the Political Rhetoric in the GOP".Prepare to loose even more elections...
Mike Richards: The budget for welfare today is exactly the same as it was when
Obama entered office. I'm sure you won't believe me so look it up. The
official name of welfare is TANF (Temporary Aid for Needy Families). The budget
for TANF is 16.5 billion, the same as it was when Obama entered office, not even
an increase for inflation or population growth. Whoever told you that "Obama
put millions on welfare" lied to you.Also, the TANF budget only
accounts for about 1/2 of 1% of federal spending.
Americans obviously don't want things fixed. They re-elected Obama. They
apparently want more of the same.
Barack Obama - 62,281,602 Popular Votes (51.4%)Mitt Romney -
58,900,448 Popular Votes (48.6%)TOTALS VOTES - 12,118050 for the two
of themA 3 point spread. I would not call that a landslide for
President Obama.So for those of you that believe you have to change
the GOP's message I would disagree.The GOP needs to do a better
job of educating and informing. The GOP needs to do a better job of teaching
our American Heritage.
Cont...To claim victory, the Democrats wisely appealed to the
unlearned idealism of the young, the self-interest and ignorance of the
immigrant, a fictitious war on women, the dependency of those who rely on
government for their daily subsistence, and those whose ideals and priorities
lie in social issues rather than economic issues. It is, and will
continue to be the classes of people that the Democratic party will continue to
pander to. As their numbers increase, which they will (except for the
millennials, they will soon be working for a living and paying for what they
voted for. Nothing changes a person's mind faster than having to actually
pay for their choices!) there will always be the division between the makers and
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