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Published: Tuesday, Nov. 13 2012 12:00 a.m. MST

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Curmudgeon
Salt Lake City, UT

Call a spade a spade. Rhetoric is the effective use of language. Demogoguery is the use of language to inflamce passions and prejudices. I think politicians (both sides) are prone to demogoguery rather than rhetoric. Voters need to be aware of the difference and not be influenced by demogoguery.

liberal larry
salt lake City, utah

Ben, you just don't get it. Hyperbole is what conservatives have become! Do a simple test, watch MSNBC's Rachel Maddow, or Chris Hayes, for 10 minutes, and then turn on ANY of the AM radio conservatives for 10 minutes, and see what you find.

Both sides are partisan, but Rachel, and Chris, have their charts and graphs, the AM crowd have their over the top fear, and hysteria.

Roland Kayser
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Jon Huntsman's positions on the issues were generally quite conservative. The reason he didn't catch on with the Republican primary electorate was because he sounded too reasonable and to nice. They wanted anger.

Christian 24-7
Murray, UT

Larry:

Talk about picking carefully what evidence you present!

"Both sides are partisan, but Rachel, and Chris, have their charts and graphs, the AM crowd have their over the top fear,..."

So exactly how does one show a chart on the radio? Seems like a very unfair comparison.

If you like charts so much, how about one showing 23 million unemployed? I can make a chart to say anything you like, or don't like.

By the way, referring to the radio shows as AM is demagogic, inferring it is cheap and low quality. I guess the left does it too. (It is on FM also, by the way)

Hooray for all those who prove daily in these comments that Obamaphones are alive and well in Utah!

one old man
Ogden, UT

Right. The GOP just needs to learn to lie even more sneakily.

Ranch
Here, UT

To thine own self be true...

If you are a duck, you should walk and quack like a duck. That way, people who want to vote for a goose know that you're a duck and won't inadvertently vote for a duck.

Mike in Sandy
Sandy, UT

The GOP needs to re-tool floor-to-ceiling, wall-to-wall.
If they don't, they wont see a Republican president for eons.
Romney's campaign was very poorly handled.

He tried to appeal solely to your grandfather's GOP demographic, and not only did he ignore, but ticked off women, retirees, gays, straights, students, immigrants, auto workers, small businesses, medium-sized businesses, the businesses he crumbled, his home state, his other home state, his veep's home state, lots of other states, unions, civil unions, the elderly, the young, single parents, teachers......A very comprehensive botching of the business of a campaign.
Romney has no business anywhere near the White House, and the intelligent voters of this nation saw through his smokescreens and salesmanship.

Twin Lights
Louisville, KY

I think it will require more than just a change in tone but a tonal shift would be helpful. The concept of "all anger all the time" is not working (and shouldn't work). Cool thoughtfulness and a spirit of at least some bipartisanship should rule the day.

Emajor
Ogden, UT

So...essentially you want the GOP to lie to voters? That is the nucleus of your argument. Don't change what you believe, just don't tell other people what that is. Or at least sugar-coat it so it sounds far less offensive. And then put those beliefs into legislation once you are elected and it is too late for the voters to do anything about it.

Mike Richards
South Jordan, Utah

Isn't it interesting that the liberal left wants to dictate to the conservative right how the right should think and how the right should present itself.

The liberal left has enough to worry about. Now they have to explain how the most liberal President ever elected will provide jobs for 23,000,000 Americans. He put millions on welfare during his first term. What will he do differently this time? How will he create jobs? What will he change about his policies?

The Democrats won the White House. Let's see them put Americans back to work.

Happy Valley Heretic
Orem, UT

Mike Richards said: "The Democrats won the White House. Let's see them put Americans back to work."

Romney Said he would need 10 years, so how many days are you going to give Obama?

The Real Maverick
Orem, UT

This letter brought up some great points.

"Focus on the problems and find solutions."

Exactly! We've all been waiting for years for the GOP to finally do this. Instead, they're too busy talking about rape, Libya, birth certificates, and Big Bird. How many economic plans could have been created with just half the time and energy spent ranting about Obama's birth certificate or college transcribes?

Yet, the GOP hasn't changed yet. They are still merely posting rhetoric and not offering solutions.

"Americans are sick of old and tired rhetoric. They want things fixed."

Which is exactly why Obama was reelected.

"Isn't it interesting that the liberal left wants to dictate to the conservative right how the right should think and how the right should present itself."

Isn't it interesting that the wacky right for years has been describing what the left thinks? Despite never actually doing research?

Here's a tip, the Democrats are winning politically. It might be worth it to research what they're doing right.

Jeez, no wonder why the GOP is so out of touch with this country!

Ernest T. Bass
Bountiful, UT

When appealing to the lowest common denominator, you need to get pretty low. Hence faux news and AM radio exists. A certain percentage of people need to believe in a boogy man and conspiracy theories, otherwise they won't know what to be afraid of.
Meanwhile life goes on for the rest of us and their fears never actually become reality.

Mike in Sandy
Sandy, UT

@ Mav...

What the Democrats are doing is being IN clusive, not EX clusive.

Midvaliean
MIDVALE, UT

As I compare two posters here, Twin Lights and Mike Richards, both conservative. One is willing to make progress, the other stands steadfast, not budging.
I find myself agreeing with Twin Lights. I'm not fully conservative, but I'm not fully liberal either. I need moderation. I needed a 3rd party to chime in and keep the other two straight.
Most of us dont' want to be angry all the time. And we don't want to be led by extremists. Looks like most of the country agreed with that by the results of last election.

LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

What was said : "Soften the Political Rhetoric in the GOP"
What was NOT said: "but KEEP the Political Rhetoric in the GOP".

Prepare to loose even more elections...

Roland Kayser
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Mike Richards: The budget for welfare today is exactly the same as it was when Obama entered office. I'm sure you won't believe me so look it up. The official name of welfare is TANF (Temporary Aid for Needy Families). The budget for TANF is 16.5 billion, the same as it was when Obama entered office, not even an increase for inflation or population growth. Whoever told you that "Obama put millions on welfare" lied to you.

Also, the TANF budget only accounts for about 1/2 of 1% of federal spending.

Flashback
Kearns, UT

Americans obviously don't want things fixed. They re-elected Obama. They apparently want more of the same.

Grundle
West Jordan, UT

Barack Obama - 62,281,602 Popular Votes (51.4%)

Mitt Romney - 58,900,448 Popular Votes (48.6%)

TOTALS VOTES - 12,118050 for the two of them

A 3 point spread. I would not call that a landslide for President Obama.

So for those of you that believe you have to change the GOP's message I would disagree.

The GOP needs to do a better job of educating and informing. The GOP needs to do a better job of teaching our American Heritage.

Grundle
West Jordan, UT

Cont...

To claim victory, the Democrats wisely appealed to the unlearned idealism of the young, the self-interest and ignorance of the immigrant, a fictitious war on women, the dependency of those who rely on government for their daily subsistence, and those whose ideals and priorities lie in social issues rather than economic issues.

It is, and will continue to be the classes of people that the Democratic party will continue to pander to. As their numbers increase, which they will (except for the millennials, they will soon be working for a living and paying for what they voted for. Nothing changes a person's mind faster than having to actually pay for their choices!) there will always be the division between the makers and the takers.

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