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Mitt Romney won white evangelicals, but struggled with Latino Catholics

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  • atty555 Palos Hills, IL
    Nov. 14, 2012 11:39 a.m.

    One of the many reasons I did not vote for Mitt Romney is that I won't vote for someone whose church does not have an open door policy at all times. If I can't just walk into a Mormon Temple at any time to worship, or see if I want to join and worship, then I don't want a President of the United States to support this sort of exclusionary practice. Sorry, that's my opinion. When I found out that Ann Romney's parents WERE NOT ALLOWED to attend her daughter's Mormon wedding, I was disgusted. When my girlfriend's Mormon friend of many years told her that she could not attend her daughter's wedding but had to wait outside, I was outraged to hear about it. She made the trip out of respect for her friend. I would NEVER have demeaned myself in such a manner. if you can't open your doors to anyone AT ANY TIME, then your church is not worth considering.

  • coltakashi Richland, WA
    Nov. 13, 2012 1:31 p.m.

    To atty555: You are in fact wrong about the Mormon beliefs about Mary, the mother of Christ. The Book of Mormon teaches that she was a virgin, and that she gave birth to Jesus through a miraculous process. That is what you will find in Mormon scriptures, including the Kinig James Version of the Bible, and in the Spanish language translations used by the Mormons who speak Spanish, including a million in Mexico. Millions of people in Latin America are Mormons, and a lot of the Mormons in the US are Hispanic.

  • johnnyreggae london, 00
    Nov. 13, 2012 11:31 a.m.

    re- att555...You are totally incorect about the Catholic theology regarding wheather God the Farther had sex with mary....It is Mormon theology that was taught by a promnant ''Mormon'' church leader...the Catholic Theology is that 'By the power of the holy spirit she concieved...They think that she was born immaculate for this process to happen...that is why she is so revered as a holy saint who interceeds our prayers and presents them to heaven Father on our behalf ,allways pleading mercy for our transgressions . She is not so much worshiped but holds a position of highest respect :

  • NeilT Clearfield, UT
    Nov. 13, 2012 10:15 a.m.

    wtz You could at least attempt to attempt to hide your predudice against hispanics. And where do people get the idea that hispanics have different family values than white folks. If that is true why are they embracing the LDS church in such large numbers. Why can't we set aside our stereotypes and treat each other with dignity and respect. As an active LDS I am saddened to see many of my fellow members post such terrible comments on here. I suspect you are a tiny minority in a very diverse world wide religion. Let's hope you soon go the way of the dinsosaur. In fact maybe that would be a good symbol for tea party conservatives.

  • johnnyreggae london, 00
    Nov. 13, 2012 4:51 a.m.

    The questions that arises is ...''Is the Church still regarded as Racist ?''...Can the church accept honest Crittism without Censorship of any kind from black and hispanic readers ?...Do we still value freedom of speech and open expression ?...Why did the church recieve a very small fraction of the vote from black and hispanic voters ?...Will a humble apology from the church go towards mending this rift between the different races that did not vote for Mitt Rommey ?....Member are asked to ponder these questions in light of the poor results from black and hispanic voters.

  • JWB Kaysville, UT
    Nov. 12, 2012 9:09 p.m.

    It was great to see nations of Iran, Venezuela, and Cuba back our President. They know his process and what is happening in our country. They even see someone taking down our CIA director and it wasn't James Bond but we don't know the motive, yet. Maybe a sequel for James Bond in two or three years with e-mail hacking and cyberspace cryptology.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Nov. 12, 2012 8:49 p.m.

    Hank Pym,

    Good point.

    Did you see the foreign leaders who propped Obama?

  • Hank Pym SLC, UT
    Nov. 12, 2012 8:42 p.m.

    re: worf 8:23 p.m. Nov. 12, 2012

    "I've seen the kinds of leaders Latinos put in their home countries."

    And alot of have been propped up/supported by the US of A. Makes you wonder doesn't it?

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Nov. 12, 2012 8:23 p.m.

    I've seen the kinds of leaders Latinos put in their home countries.

  • O'really Idaho Falls, ID
    Nov. 12, 2012 4:43 p.m.

    Paloma...are you serious? You didn't think Obama has every intention of raising taxes? Obmacare- will not fly without raising taxes. (It's going to fly like a lead balloon anyway.) I want to know why half the country thinks they don't have to pay any taxes at all? They are users of the infrastructure, too. EVERYONE should pay their fair share. Even if it's a small percentage of what they make, there should be no exclusions for anyone on paying taxes except for the mentally disabled and elderly who have been paying all their lives. Maybe vets should be given a break, too, but many of them had their school paid for on the GI bill so the taxpayers have paid them back for their service. Some who are physically unable to work maybe should get a break, too. But I think the poor need to pay something. The very wealthy are already paying way more than their share. Let them keep investing and buying to keep the economy going.

  • Serenity Manti, UT
    Nov. 12, 2012 4:11 p.m.

    @ Moderate: Do you have the real statistics for that? "The government spends 10 times as much money on seniors as it does on people 19 and under? what abut the people 19 and over? At what stage do you get to be a senior where you need to have the government spend 10 times as much money on you? Please explane. If you are right, euthanasia may be a viable opton for senior, right (sarcasm)

  • SLMG Murtoa Australia, Victoria
    Nov. 12, 2012 3:51 p.m.

    When the Republican Party wakes up to the fact that there are people of different colored skin other than white, that here are many other religions besides Christians that are citizen of the USA and become inclusive they might have a win. That means including in the white ole boys club Jews, Muslims, Buddists, Hindu and the list goes on and on, then and only then will Republicans have a level playing field. People of all races, religions and color are becoming better educated and doing their own research and look for a party that will include them, they are not looking for a hand out but for respect.

  • Miss Piggie Ogden, UT
    Nov. 12, 2012 3:07 p.m.

    @Glen in the Bronx:

    "Can someone point out to me, what exactly, does the GOP have going for it that would make it attractive for a Latino?"

    Nothing. That's why they lost.

    "And don't include Marco Rubio... he's of Cuban ancestry..."

    He speaks Spanish. That's enough.

    "Further it seemed they lumped those here illegally with those who were born here."

    They lump themselves. It's called ethnicity. It's human nature to flock together/support one's own kind.

    "The GOP treats Hispanics... with apparent disdain..."

    They treat illegal immigrants with disdain. Nothing about ethnicity. Should illegals be praised? It'd by like praising bank robbers.

    @MapleDon:

    "Now can we come to some understanding as to why the left wants an open border and amnesty?"

    Simply stated, votes. Plus our leader himself is a foreigner. He tells it like this in is book: 'I was born in Kenya and raised in Indonesia and Hawaii.'

    @very concerned:

    "If we were to welcome more Latino's into the U.S. legally, there would be more productive immigrants coming and fewer criminals."

    Give them all citizenship as they cross the border and there'd be no criminals.

  • Pack Layton, Utah
    Nov. 12, 2012 2:16 p.m.

    @Moderate, I think what you meant to say is that the over 65 population has earned the money from the government because they paid into it for all of those years. The under 19 group has not.

  • Serenity Manti, UT
    Nov. 12, 2012 2:03 p.m.

    What is beyond my comprehension is why the Jews voted for the Democratic Party this time around. Obama wanted to give most of Israel to the Palestinians a while back and he more favors Israel’s enemies then Israel. I don’t believe that if Israel is attacked by another middle-Eastern country, Obama will defend Israel if they need it.

    I also don't understand why the Latinos want America to cater to them and expect the rest of the nation to accept Latino ways and lifestyles. America used to be a melting pot of many nations but everyone became American when they lived in America. Latinos want Americans to accept them as a separate entity as Latinos, not as Americans. They want everyone to speak Spanish, thus taking away the individual identity of America. Yet they complain about how Americans won't accept them. Why can't they accept America and become Americans instead of Latinos? Why should Americans accept their lifestyles instead of Latinos accepting the American way of life?

    Nearly every American came from a different nationality, yet they were assimilated into being Americans. Why do Latinos require special treatment?

  • wrz Ogden, UT
    Nov. 12, 2012 1:22 p.m.

    @GZE:

    "Only American citizens can vote."

    That's true. But the Obama administration would like that changed. They want not just citizens but all residents (i.e., illegals) to have a vote. That's why they're pushing so hard against voter ID laws.

    "Less than 30 percent of Latinos in this country are here illegally; the vast majority are US Citizens..."

    Those born here would like to see their voting block increase. That's why they voted for Obama's amnesty action.

    @atl134:

    "Because Kerry and Gore also got huge percentages of the African American vote."

    Were Kerry/Gore running against an African American? No. Bush is not African American.

    "It's mostly a party thing than a race thing."

    I can only suggest that 'Blood runs thicker than... party.'

    @RRB:

    Excellent post RRB. You hit the nail on the head... except for one point... 'Only enforcement keeps it manageable.'

    It's way too late for enforcement. Hispanics thh votes to determine elections. You can't say anything untoward re our Hispanic populace or they will cast their vote for the other guy. Romney found that out when he said 'Hispanics should self-deport.' Serious mistake.

  • WHAT NOW? Saint George, UT
    Nov. 12, 2012 1:03 p.m.

    The message coming from the REPUBLICAN PRIMARY to Hispanic families and their extended families was...

    self-deport (romney talking point).

    While you're self-deporting WE (Who is we? Which ethnic group gave the most votes to romney?) will decide whether to electrify the border fence or build a border wall 100 feet high.

    3 great welcoming possibilities!

    romney saw the bind he was in.

    romney tried to move to the middle.

    Too late.

    The die was cast.

  • wrz Ogden, UT
    Nov. 12, 2012 12:48 p.m.

    @Paloma10:

    "As a Latino, LDS woman, I voted for Obama."

    Not voting for Romney was a mistake.

    "I am not in danger of self deporting to Cleveland, where I was born."

    If you were born in Cleveland, you are American. You should think/act American. Would you like your country to be overrun with foreigners? People generally prefer their own kind.

    "I would not vote for Romney because he would raise taxes."

    Romney would not raise taxes. It's the other guy (Obama) that would/will. You shouldn't be voting if you don't understand the issues.

    "The conception that Latinos are looking for a handout and freebies..."

    Almost everyone is looking for handouts and freebies. What some people want is for people of their own ethnicity to increase in this country. And how does that happen? Immigration, illegal and otherwise.

    "The reasoning in the article is that there aren't enough 'white' people...."

    Certain minorities (as reported by the DNews) will soon be the majority here, at which time 'white' people will be shut out. Already happening.

    "Try working with people, not dominating them."

    You can help by telling illegals to stay home.

  • bullet56 Olympia, WA
    Nov. 12, 2012 11:39 a.m.

    I was raised Catholic in New Mexico. My sisters have all married Hispanic men and have Hispanic last names as do their children. I think they voted Democrat because some of my family works for the church. Doing so lets them see first hand the gap between what good the church can do for the local poor and how important it is for the government to be a partner in the needs of the poor. They have voted Republican for just one issue in the past, abortion. That seems to take a back seat to poverty relief when we see more and more poor children on the streets for any reason. If Church's could handle the needs of the poor they would gladly do so, but they can't.

  • Instereo Eureka, UT
    Nov. 12, 2012 11:35 a.m.

    Look at the platform of each party. Compare and contrast the platform with the citizens of our nations. Get rid of the stereotypes of people who are different than yourself and look at what people actually do and how they conduct their lives. Recognize that "We the People.." really applies to all people and not just a select few with money, status, or class privilege. Once you do this in an honest way not colored with ideology, it's much easier to see why the Republicans missed the boat on this election. They believed their own surveys where methodology was used to boast their cause not show what was really happening. If they are advocating for more of the same or a sharper turn to the right, I'd say go for it, someone else will take their place.

  • wrz Ogden, UT
    Nov. 12, 2012 11:35 a.m.

    @Claudio:

    "So you mean Latinos don't vote FOR amnesty...?"

    Of course they vote for amnesty. Why shouldn't they? The next step after amnesty is citizenship which Democrat B. Hussein Obama will accomplish in his next four-year term...

    With Democrats in control of our government illegal aliens will soon be able to not only become citizens but they will be able to bring their families and friends here for the same favorable treatment, plus alotta handouts.

    @NeilT:

    "Republicans lost the Hispanic vote over immigration policies."

    You mean the Democrats won the Hispanic vote over immigration policies. Obama played it very smart by giving the two year amnesty just before the elections with tacit approval for extensions. Very clever politicking.

    "As long as the right wing tea-partiers continue to stereotype Hispanics as lazy freeloaders and criminals they will continue to lose Hispanic support."

    They're not lazy... but they are criminals (illegal).

    "Is is just plain wrong to deny children an education due to unlawful actions of their parents."It's just plain wrong to provide free education to non-citizens."

    We don't have the funding to educate our own people let alone foreigners.

  • SoCalChris Riverside, CA
    Nov. 12, 2012 10:23 a.m.

    Even if Heather McDonald's view is accurate, and most Latinos are freeloading Obama supporters looking for a handout (I don't buy it for a second and find it offensive), there are many many hard-working decent Latinos who have been here a long time and have conservative values. They have roots here, American kids, American spouses. We should be willing to entertain some sort of sane immigration reform that provides a path to legal status for those individuals.

    If the GOP continues to be the Inspector Javert party we will continue to lose. We have never had a president who was hard line on immigration. It should be no surprise that Romney's harsh rhetoric in the primaries came back to haunt him as it did Meg Whitman. I say this as someone who is devastated Romney lost.

    Purists on this thread should read Ann Coulter's latest piece where she slams abortion purists. Her arguments can be applied perfectly to immigration purists.

  • chinookdoctor PASADENA, CA
    Nov. 12, 2012 10:04 a.m.

    Romney came across as arrogant, out of touch, racist, sexist, classist and angry to me. I did not vote for him as an active, endowed, temple married, LDS woman of partly African American heritage with doctoral degrees because, quite frankly, his beliefs and proposed policies sounded more warmongering and anachronistic than modern. His political speeches were like soundbites from one of those crazy older men at church, usually from Utah or Idaho, who you can tell still believes that Heavenly Father cursed people with a skin of blackness and that's how Africans came along and that women shouldn't make any decisions because husbands are the patriarch. Obama came across as intelligent, compassionate, hardworking, and sensible. Moreover, he seemed to be interested in serving the people of the US, not inflicting his agenda and personal religious values on a pluralistic society. Sorry, the GOP has been hijacked by demagogues, who appeals to racist whites with poor education, limited personal experiences and who are bereft of common compassion--in other words tea partiers. Sadly, GOP leaders think this is their base and that they are more important than the majority of Americans. I would have gladly voted for Hunstman.

  • very concerned Sandy, UT
    Nov. 12, 2012 9:51 a.m.

    I'm a conservative, but as I have said before, I believe a more welcoming immigration policy would be good. If we were to welcome more Latino's into the U.S. legally, there would be more productive immigrants coming and fewer criminals. We welcomed the Scots, the Irish, the Germans, the Poles, etc., etc., etc. They came, they worked, and they made America a better place. I believe if we offered that opportunity to responsible Latinos wanting to become citizens, the country would be better for it. Let's not worry so much about whom they would vote for. That would take care of itself. I know I may sound Polyanna-ish to some, but I believe legal, responsible Latino immigrants could contribute to this country.

    By the way, did you hear that sound like thunder clapping last Tuesday? It was the sound of the country's foundations cracking as President Obama was re-elected. His politics on gay marriage, unsustainable spending, contribution to the deficit, increasing presidential power, and actions in favor of gradual declines of religious freedoms - to name a few - are taking their toll on the American psyche, dreams, prosperity, and future.

  • MapleDon Springville, UT
    Nov. 12, 2012 9:47 a.m.

    Now can we come to some understanding as to why the left wants an open border and amnesty? It's been clear to many of us for a long time as to what was going on--and no, this has absolutely nothing to do with compassion. Rather, it has everything to do with power. And this will quickly become one-party control over national politics for a very long time. The data verifies this.

  • Glen in the Bronx Bronx, NY
    Nov. 12, 2012 9:43 a.m.

    Can someone point out to me, what exactly, does the GOP have going for it that would make it attractive for a Latino? (And don't include Marco Rubio in the reply; he's of Cuban ancestry, and to Republicans, Cubans are God's special snowflakes). During the primary debates the candidates were all falling over themselves about how difficult he/she would make it on Hispanics who were here illegally and espousing such nonsense as "self deportation." Further it seemed they lumped those here illegally with those who were born here. The GOP treats Hispanics (and so many others) with apparent disdain, why should anyone be surprised they repaid the compliment in the voting booth?

  • atty555 Palos Hills, IL
    Nov. 12, 2012 9:27 a.m.

    Latinos are predominately Catholics, and the Catholic Church's perception of the Virgin Mary is diametrically opposed to the Mormon position, which (correct me if I am wrong) states that God had physical sex with Mary in order to conceive Jesus Christ. That and Romney's position on immigration made it hard for Latinos to vote for him.

  • RRB SLC, UT
    Nov. 12, 2012 9:06 a.m.

    We are not living in a new world. Hoover and Roosevelt conducted the Mexican repatriation. Over half a million illegal aliens removed. In 1950, Eisenhower did the same thing. In 1986, we had amnesty and reform, the laws were never enforced, In 1996 Clinton closed the cases still active and granted amnesty, he created NAFTA and told us it would end illegal immigration. It's been the same problem for well over 80 years. The deporting worked, and kept numbers down, the amnesty just caused more problems. It created a monster with 12-20 million people. If it's not solved by deportation to stop further problems, it's going to get bigger and bigger. From half a million in the 30's, to one million in the 50's. Then 3 million in the 80's, now 12-20 million.

    Only enforcement keeps it manageable. It's the same old problem.

  • Moderate Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 12, 2012 8:52 a.m.

    The federal government spends seven times as much money on people over 65 as it does on people under 19. The Republican base are the people who get the most from the federal government.

  • Andrew J. Marksen Deseret, UT
    Nov. 12, 2012 8:46 a.m.

    @ Claudio and Paloma10

    The numbers cited in this story run contrary to your conclusions. There are implications inherent in the numbers. We live in an isolated microcosm here in Utah, but nation wide the fact remains that Latinos and Blacks continually vote for those who have done nothing for them. I would cite CA, and Detroit as perfect examples of what I am talking about. There is nothing racist in the analysis when you look at 40 years of patterned behavior. Fortunately I have lived in enough other states over the years that the numbers in the article make perfect sense despite the indignation and name calling.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 12, 2012 8:43 a.m.

    @toosmartforyou
    "Please explain how your point of view is true when 91% of African Americans voted for Obama. I am not buying into your statement of others think they are dumb, either, just that they voted for their own race. I expected they would, didn't you?"

    Because Kerry and Gore also got huge percentages of the African American vote. Obama did several points better than them, but also did several points better nationally (since unlike them he won). It's mostly a party thing than a race thing. Much like Allen West (a black Republican) or Harry Reid (an LDS Democrat) are not getting the majority of the black and LDS vote respectively when they run.

  • toosmartforyou Farmington, UT
    Nov. 12, 2012 8:26 a.m.

    @ Claudio

    Please explain how your point of view is true when 91% of African Americans voted for Obama. I am not buying into your statement of others think they are dumb, either, just that they voted for their own race. I expected they would, didn't you?

  • iron&clay RIVERTON, UT
    Nov. 12, 2012 8:17 a.m.

    New strategy for the tea party should be to move into the Democratic party and control it's agenda.

    The way it is now, the Socialist party is in control of the Democratic party and the poor and so-called minority are being manipulated by Socialists.

    This actually makes more sense for the poor and the minorities to be voting for constitutional principles especially the 10th amendment instead of being used by the Socialists to set up a dictatorship with government owning and controlling everything and taking away their individual rights and private property. That's not why immigrants come to America.

  • JWB Kaysville, UT
    Nov. 12, 2012 8:10 a.m.

    We live in a multi-ethnic world and always have. We are not polarized due to that fact but both parties have listened to pollsters or done campaigning using race, ethnicity, religion and anything they can to make efforts to gain their vote. That is normal in a world of campaigning. The statisticians game the market with the GPS point specific voting, knowing what a specific household is voting. That is available, almost like government information.

    At least one party used that information for their high density cities in the battleground states as they have shown that information on the media.

    We always talk about government intrusion but when our secret ballot or private type ballot becomes available prior to the election through information available to someone, that appears to be an invasion of privacy. We have accepted it through exit polls for decades but now that they can pinpoint their target areas, those few highly dense populations will make a difference as money speaks, especially with a Supreme Court that helped make it more available through money that speaks. That is not what the Founding Fathers envisioned even though we have small and large state protection. Cities are states.

  • Claudio Springville, Ut
    Nov. 12, 2012 8:07 a.m.

    Andrew:

    Reducing the votes of Black citizens to being racially motivated is cheap and factually proven to be just wrong. Despite your insinuation, voters of color aren't dumber than voters of white skin.

  • GZE SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Nov. 12, 2012 7:56 a.m.

    Latinos who vote are Americans. Only American citizens can vote. Members of the Republican Party keep showing that they think Latino = illegal immigrant. Less than 30 percent of Latinos in this country are here illegally; the vast majority are US Citizens; the vast majority of those were born here. It's time for conservatives to come to grip with that fact that one can be both American and have a Latino heritage.

  • TA1 Alexandria, VA
    Nov. 12, 2012 7:55 a.m.

    Take the Tea Party component out of the Republican Party (and any other very right wing elements) - let the party go back to its roots and perhaps the next Romney will have a chance. (If you continue to repeat what you are doing - do not expect the results to change!)(Or - foolishness is continuing to do the same thing time after time, and expecting different results).

  • Paloma10 Ventura, CA
    Nov. 12, 2012 7:51 a.m.

    As a Latino, LDS woman, I voted for Obama. I am not in danger of self deporting to Cleveland, where I was born. (Remember, some of you don't realize that Hawaii is a state) I would not vote for Romney because he would raise taxes. The conception that Latinos are looking for a handout and freebies is so insulting and stereotypical of a charge leveled by Republicans, and that attitude is the problem of that party. The reasoning in the article is that there aren't enough "white" people, instead of waking up and seeing that world has changed, embrace or you'll lose yet more seats in any legislation. Try working with people, not dominating them.

  • SLars Provo, UT
    Nov. 12, 2012 7:47 a.m.

    NeilT
    Immigration doesn't make a difference to them. They failed Reagan.

    What makes you think they are being denied an education? They get a k-12 like everyone else. And if they have the money, they can go to college.

    They are taking rights away from Americans, but no one cares about us.

  • Aggielove Cache county, USA
    Nov. 12, 2012 7:39 a.m.

    Rubio and a female vp.

  • Agustis Sugar City, ID
    Nov. 12, 2012 7:31 a.m.

    “Romney heavily dependent on a strong white turnout that did not materialize,”
    Most of my evangelical family was strong Romney supporters because he won their support. He is considered a sensible leader on moral issues. Some would not vote for the incumbent but remained convinced that Romney was more interested in enlarging his circle of millionaire friends than being concerned about them. These are blue collar workers who have strong feelings of “too many people on the draw and too few paying in”. So get that straight.
    We need a Ben Franklin and Mitt Romney is the best choice. Why not compromise on the tax issue? There seems to be agreement on everything except the tax rate for those making more than $250,000 a year. So make permanent the current rates on those making less and extend for 2 years for those above. Let the American people decide in 2014 which side is telling the truth. If jobs are being created in substantial numbers then extend the rate. If not, then roll it back to the Clinton years.

  • SLars Provo, UT
    Nov. 12, 2012 7:24 a.m.

    Why would the Republicans give the Democrats 12-20 million new voters? The Latino vote showed the Republican party why they need to fight amnesty and enforce the laws.

  • NeilT Clearfield, UT
    Nov. 12, 2012 7:14 a.m.

    Republicans lost the hispanic vote over immigration policies. As long as the right wing tea partiers coninue to stereotype hispanics as lazy freeloaders and criminals they will continue to lose hispanic support. Is is just plain wrong to deny children an education due to unlawful actions of their parents. The time has come to enact comprehensive immigration reform and recognze the many positive contributions immigrants make to society.

  • Andrew J. Marksen Deseret, UT
    Nov. 12, 2012 6:59 a.m.

    This makes total sense. Latino voters have different family values. The numbers used from CA illustrate the ideological deficiency. CA is a super-majority Democrat and 1 in 10 Latinos are poor. Latino's as a group expect government to give, participate, equalize things in their lives so they vote Democrat. Latinos leave Mexico etc...for a better opportunity yet cling to the ideology that is crippling the U.S. and Mexico as indicated by the numbers cited. The numbers also indicate that Blacks voted racially in 2008 and 2012 combined with the same ideology as Latinos despite the conditions of the Democrat controlled inner cities. White Evangelicals went to the polls holding their nose, but they went. All of this is nothing new. Society is polarized. Even had the "missing" voters participated it would not have mattered. The deciding factor appears to be race, political stereotypes, and single issue ideology. The question is was there a fundamental shift or are we exactly the same as we were four years ago. Given the makeup of Congress I would say nothing has changed.

  • Claudio Springville, Ut
    Nov. 11, 2012 10:43 p.m.

    Re: RichardB

    So you mean Latinos don't vote FOR amnesty, hand-outs, etc? But that was what I was told during my daily listening hour of Conservatives R Us!

  • RichardB Murray, UT
    Nov. 11, 2012 9:44 p.m.

    If your point is that the Hispanic majority vote Democratic, then you are correct. When Reagan gave them amnesty they still voted for a Democrat.