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Published: Sunday, Nov. 11 2012 10:07 p.m. MST

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plyxply
SLC, UT

Unfortunately the demise of fundraising for these players will mean the demise of athletics at many schools. Most parents aren't able to pay the dues required by the schools for participating in sports and have to fundraise, it's too bad the inability of the school districts to manage this will mean kids won't be able to participate.
What Granite did to Scott Cate will hurt many of the kids who would've normally been able to play football, now many will not have the chance to play in high school, and many won't be able to play college either.

east of utah
Saint Joseph, MO

No idea of how much money was being raised and spent? They should have just asked any parent and they would have told you how much it costs to have a child participate in extracurricular activities at school.

satch
Highland, UT

plyxply is right. While there are many who would be "amazed" at the amount of fundraising that goes on, this is a process that is necessary due to Utah's lack of funding education. I am speaking about all programs- not just sports.

Granite District policy does not set a good example and creates more problems than it fixes. There is already good policy in place. Until Utah steps up and funds education- which we know will never happen, most kids need to fundraise to participate in school activities.

toosmartforyou
Farmington, UT

Just "follow the money" is good advice. And why doesn't the lack of over-sight of monetary issues surprise me? I thought we had the best educators in the nation (to hear teachers talk about themselves) and now we find out they don't know the rudiments of fiscal policy. And it's the top-heavy administrators, you know--the ones making the big bucks who started as teachers 20 years ago---that are the most clueless.

Go figure.

Except you can figue on this, they will uniformly say they need more money!

Mr.M Jaack
Bountiful, UT

Lets get real. What happens is that the donors will just give cash directly to the players that they recruit to cover fee's etc. This way the kids can play and it is not a hardship on their families. This means nothing for the players. What it will hinder is new facilities (fields, equipment etc) and or sponsors. So what does this mean about UnderArmor and other sponsors that provide uniforms, clothing etc to select Utah schools?

Duckhunter
Highland, UT

@plyxply

Actually you are wrong. By rule the school can only require that a student athlete pay a participation fee which is about $70. That is it. All of the other money that students are being forced to pay by the programs is not required by law but simply by schools and coaches putting that pressure onto the students and their parents.

I know that it has cost me around $1000 per year for my son to play HS baseball, and that is just the money I am required to pay in "donations" and doesn't include buying him glaoves, bats, cleats, etc.

What is going to happen here, hopefully, is that schools will no longer be able to force parents into raising money for them in order for their kids to play. They are going to have to come up with some new means of funding things.

It wasn't that long ago I was in HS and my parents never paid a penny more than the participation fee. I'm not sure why it cost so much more now than it did then. I'm glad the state is trying to get this under control.

Aloha Saint George
Saint George, Utah

If a kid wants to go to college on sport scholarships- they know they have to go through the club systems- not the schools. Unfortunately, Football, is run through the education system. Teachers want to turf the football fields and feel they're qualified because they have an education degree. Most are not qualified to coach.
I know of schools in the heart of football country (Southern States) that spend $300,000 per year on their programs. Are the educators monitoring in an effort that programs are managed properly? Or are they trying to takes funds to give to other less fortunate ones? Do I hear entitlement?
Football in Utah is getting better but still has a way to go. Is the education system gonna help their system improve? They sure didn't with Cottonwood or Timpview- they're two of the top five in Utah. Be careful of this next move- you may be trying to level the playing field. Best idea- let the clubs run football.

OneManWolfPack
St George, UT

The more football gets restricted the more each schools programs will get restricted. Most schools programs are run from money made off of football and boys basketball. If these two suffer the rest will follow. Coaches spend more time trying to keep their programs afloat then actual coaching. Thousands of dollars are needed every year to keep up with regulations on equipment which the state gives not a dollar to. I hope that the knee jerk decisions made from those in charge won't ask the BOT for their input otherwise this could be a disaster for all athletics.

wazzup??
Provo, UT

Duckworth...I wish it were that simple. Then fact is that much of the added fees are to cover those who have qualified for fee waivers. Each school's principal must balance the books in house to cover fees for students who are unable to pay them. The district nor the state covers school fees for ANY program. Middle-class parents are the ones hit the most in having to cover fees for other students. So the numbers you see on your child's middle and high school fee list are inflated to cover other kids' fees. Don't get me wrong, I actually don't want this practice to end. In Utah, we have many more programs students can choose to participate in compared MOST states..I know this because I am a school counselor. Many out of state transfer students are surprised at the number of programs and electives they can choose from.

Donations to schools are essential for programs to thrive for facilities and equipment that most districts cannot provide because we taxpayers are too stingy with our money.

ufafelloffasofa
kearns, UT

There is no way I would donate a dime to my kids school, knowing that these funds would be turned over to the district to be used at their discretion. This policy sounds like it's trying to achieve the law of consecration before the second coming (yikes). I guess my daughters will be wearing band uniforms that were bought in the 80s because I'm selfish AND certain - the district would "redistribute" my donation to the French immersion program of a cross town school.

Bingham4sho
South Jordan, Utah

Duckhunter,

You need to get a clue my friend. Participation 'fee' of $70 for football today is a thing of the past. For varsity players today, those fees are up to $300 and that doesn't include the team camp that is at least $200 per player prior to the beginning of the season that ALL coaches practically require their players to attend (if you don't, chances are you will not get much playing time unless you're the star player). Those fees pay for the uniforms, updated equipment (a must for safety in most cases), travel expenses and so forth.

The great programs are the ones who have booster clubs in the community at afford most of the players who can't afford these kind of fees to play. If you think the district will be forced to come up with the money, you're delusional. Many schools would rather shut down the football program before being forced to pay more money they don't have.

Those donors who donate over $10000 annually to a football program will now laugh at the thought of just giving that kind of money for the district to use at it's discretion!

Howard Beal
Provo, UT

To put out a different point of view, I am wondering if any people at Timpview, the parents of the football program especially, if they were or felt "injured" by what happened and Coach Wong specifically. Yes, some money was not accounted for and maybe not spent in the best ways possible. But it seems overall, looking at the big picture, that the amounts of money were substantial and used well to help many, many student athletes at the school and upgraded the facilities of the school for more students than just the ones on the football team. Many teachers, coaches and students (other than football players) benefitted from these monies.

Coaches are not accountants. Funding, as said well above, is not adequate. You can't run a football program on 5K or even a 10K budget with helmets, uniforms etc. so parents have to step up and coaches have to raise money. Now they are overwhelmed with paperwork and fears for their jobs if they make (honest) mistakes.

And in the case of Granite District controlling and alienating Scott Cate, is Cate being hurt by this or is this hurting hundreds, if not thousands, of students in the district?

LP suppporter
Lehi, Utah

A few years ago my wife and I were asked to serve as booster parents, along with 8 other parents, for our son's High school football team. One of our duties was to raise funds. We began in April and for 5 months raised tens of thousands of dollars. As we hung the banners of many of the sponsors on a fence surrounding the stadium, we were approached by the administration and were told that we we have to rent the banner space from the school to help pay for other programs at the school. To say the boosters were angry is an understatement. The reaction was swift and direct. The funds were raised for the football program and ALL of that money was to be used for that purpose. If not all fund raising would cease. The administration backed down from their request. Fund raising is time consuming and are usually done by an interested party and most people want it to go to a specific purpose. If school districts get involved and demand to determine where it will go donors and fundraisers will go away. Successful programs rely on donors and people who get involved.

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