@Counter IntelligenceLook at our nation's two-term Presidents
dating back to Theodore Roosevelt. None of them had a better second term than
first term. TR's second term was totally uneventful. Woodrow Wilson's second term included World War I, his stroke and the
failure of the League of Nations. FDR's second term included
his attempt to pack the Supreme Court. Truman's second term
included the Korean War. Ike's second term included a recession
and failures with the U2 spy plane. LBJ's second term included
Vietnam and race riots.Nixon's second term included
Watergate.Reagan's second term included Iran Contra.Clinton's second term included his impeachment and attack on the USS
Cole.Bush's second term included Mark Foley, Hurricane Katrina
and the Fannie and Freddie collapse. In fairness, there were good
things that occurred during certain President's second term, but if history
is any indicator, Obama's worst days in the White House are in front of
him, and try as he might he won't be able to blame Congress for all his
So now the "strict constructionists" of the Constitution that post on
this site think we should elect our president based on land mass instead of
@mike richardsSo you believe that the Senate and the presidents only
role when it comes to the budget should be to rubber stamp what every comes out
Obama may have won, but at great cost.His scorched earth policy of
"kill Romney" rather than touting his own record, combined with his use
of race, gender and class warfare leave the country horribly divided and many
people with less respect for him than they had before.Second terms
often do not go well (Bush, Rocky Anderson) and are even worse when there is no
one to save you (like republicans, who forced Clinton to the center)Obama may have crossed the finish line - but he burnt all of his bridges in
The problem we have is very simple. The President wants to force his will on
Congress. He has a "friend" in Senator Reid, who will not even let the
Senate vote on bills that are conservative. The President cannot
legislate. He cannot use his office to dictate to Congress. His duties are to
sign legislation and then to enforce the laws passed by Congress.The
Senate has no authority over the House. Some duties are similar to the duties
of the House, but the Constitution does not require the consent of the Senate in
passing a budget.The House is the only body in government which is
directly responsible to the people. The House has the ultimate responsibility
to reject any ideas not supported by the people.Regardless of how
much ranting comes out of the White House, the House must ignore Obama's
bullying tactics as it formulates a budget, a budget that represents the will of
the people.The President is one man. The Senate is one-hundred men
and women. The House is four-hundred thirty-five men and women. The House MUST have the integrity to answer to the People.
Mike Richards,First, let me say that my guy did not win.Second, something has changed. The timeline. Many in Congress thought that
they could wait him out for the four year term. Now that there is another four
year term, waiting him out is less realistic.Third, I have seen such
maps. But as the constitution spells out, we vote for president via the
electoral college. In that system, most electors vote based on their
state’s results and most states are winner take allFourth, one
man in the White House certainly does not decide what Congress should do. But
he (constitutionally) carries a lot of authority and they need him to cooperate
unless they can muster a supermajority for every bill.Yes, the
people chose a Republican majority for the House. But not the Senate (and the
tide was not going the Republican’s way either).The expressed
will of the people is not quite as one sided as you make it out to be.L White,Obama cannot say he was elected by the people and neither
can any other president. But that is how they say it anyway.
@hahahahaha "as your arrogant president seems to think"did you move out of the country since the election? if not that would be
@l white "The election is not over. Foolish people tell us that
they elected Obama. They did no such thing. Obama WILL BE elected by electors,
not by popular vote. About three hundred people will elect Obana, about one for
every million citizens."your right its the same process that
every modern president has been elected by, the peoples popular vote (he
majority of the population) and then our electors go and make our voice heard.
the only way that our voice would not be heard is if the electors went against
the majority of voters, so unless Romney wins the peoples voice was heard. So
again not really understanding how your argument really changes the fact Obama
was voted by the majority of americans (so by definition not a republican
nation) and will remain president.
RE: KGB1 I haven't seen anybody in the GOP dispute that your guy won.
Yeah it's puzzling, but either way you cut it, e. college or straight vote
count, he won. My point is, that it wasn't a mandate, or a landslide, as
your arrogant president seems to think, or most of his flunky followers, like
you. A 1-2% margin is very minimal and only indicates a small favoring by the
electorate. If my guy won by that margin, I would happily admit that it was a
very close election, and that he is not supported by a large percentage of the
@L WhiteSo I have to wonder how little you must think of the rest of us if
you think we do not understand land area does not equate population? Do you
understand juab county which makes up seven times the land area of new york city
has a total population of just over 10,000 people compared to new york city with
8.8 million people? the entire population of juab county would fit in one high
rise apartment building in new york. land area does not equal majority of the
population. More people voted for Obama then voted for Romney, so by that
measure alone we are not a republican nation.
L. White and HaHaHaHa:I'm sure that's exactly what
you'd be saying if Romney won. You'd be saying that the electoral
college elected him instead of the people and that winning 50.6% of the popular
vote is no mandate and that he'd better compromise with Democrats.
Right?Do you guys want to go on losing elections? Just keep talking
Nice letter. That Mike Richards is a real funny comedian. Where does he get his
Still funny to see, that a 1.5% effective margin difference in the election, is
still considered a landslide, by the hyper slobbering Democrats. They always
forget about the 48.5% of the people, who voted against the anointed ruler
Obama. That equals dozens of millions of people. Not to mention all the DN
turncoat, wannabee conservative posters on these boards, but are really libs and
don't want to admit it, that claim they really wished to vote for Romney,
but just couldn't. They must represent several million people's
viewpoint also. Then there are the Union hacks, who go out and vote for the
regime, because their vote was paid for, or they are just following orders.
Lastly there are the weak minded who voted for the regime, because they
swallowed the propaganda of so called journalists, who have an agenda to
re-elect Obama, or they follow some hollywood airhead who they worship and
mindlessly do what they are told. Suddenly that "landslide" doesn't
seem so convincing afterall!
The election is not over. Foolish people tell us that they elected Obama. They
did no such thing. Obama WILL BE elected by electors, not by popular vote.
About three hundred people will elect Obana, about one for every million
citizens. Obama can never say that the people elected him, because
that is a complete lie.The map that Mike Richards told us about
tells the real story. This is truly a Republican nation. No matter which
direction you travel, you will be in a Republican county except for some
isolated Democrat strongholds. Maybe the Deseret News would be good
enough to print that map. Maybe Obama would be wise enough to look at it.
@mike richards so you think a county like toole utah with a population
small enough to fit on one city block in NY should hold the same weight as my
county that has over 8 million people (three times the entire state of utah) in
it? republican counties may look impressive in terms of land mass but when you
look at actual population not so much. I have to say this is your weakest
Mike Richards:More people voted for Obama than for Romney. The
Democrats gained seats in the Senate. The Republicans lost seats in the House.
Spin all you like, but these are the facts, and looking at a map of counties is
meaningless. Land doesn't vote, but people do, and those people gave Obama
and the Democratic Party a clear victory.And compliments to Nate
Sharp on this graceful letter. Hopefully some sense is starting to come to the
Mike,So now we're counting election results by counties? I
don't think that's in the Constitution, is it? You'll spin it so
that you'll always be in the majority, no matter how small your far-right
group gets. This election was nothing if not a repudiation of the Tea Party.
@ Midvaliean: There is a difference between a slow moving government and a
government that gets nothing done. It is one thing to want a government that
moves slow and thinks things through - it is another thing entirely to want a
government that is unable to meet the needs of those it governs and protects.A government that gets nothing done fails its citizens and leads to
hardship and disaster.Is this really what you and Mike want - the
complete failure of America as we know it?@ Mike: Counties do not
vote for President or members of Congress. The people who live in those
counties do. And by sheer numbers, more Americans voted for Obama.
@Mike, As a libertarian, I can only hope nothing gets done in the next 4,
no make it 12 years. Government standstill is what I hope for. A fast acting
government is one I'm scared of. So for me, the answer is I hope you,
Mike, and other conservatives stand your ground.
Mike Richards South Jordan, UtahWasn't Obama's
re-election the will of the people? Or are you talking about "real"
people as in "real" Americans?Somehow, there is a disconnect
here. It's as if we're hearing that the "will of the people"
wasn't really expressed in the election. Were they hypnotized to vote
against what they really believed? It takes chutzpuh to speak for "the real
people" when one is only expressing one's singular opinion.Or are those people who didn't vote your way deluded and should never
have been allowed to vote to begin with? Counties don't determined
elections. People do. The shock of the election results will pass. The
Republicans lost 3 seats in the House. Also, take note that Republicans
returned to the House with only a 4% majority. This is not a resounding victory
for the conservative cause. If congressional districts were drawn
by a non-partisan committee based simply on population and not gerrymandered for
political advantage, do you think that the Republicans would still be in the
majority? It's obvious that "the people" are not "your
people" and that's the difference!
Mike, surely you know that the only reason the House is still as Republican as
it is was due to gerrymandering and nothing else.I guess we can keep
hoping that someday, people like you will finally see the light and understand
why you've been so wrong for so long.
Wanda, guess what. You wouldn't have gotten a sniff from Obama either.
One Old Man,How do you propose that we get this nation to work?
The same people with the same ideas are in office. The election changed
nothing.Please don't suggest that the Republicans need to
"compromise" until you've looked at a map of counties that voted
Republican. It wasn't just a majority of counties that voted Republican,
it was not just a super-majority of counties that voted Republican. This
country has so few counties that voted Democrat that those Democrat counties are
almost just a blip on the map.Implying that one man in the White
House decides what Congress should do is anti-American. Implying that one
Senator has the right to negate the vote of 435 House members is
anti-American.The people chose a Republican majority to represent us
in the House, where budget bills originate.If Obama and Reid get
behind the will of the people, progress will be made.
SO nice to see a graceful letter.
Thanks for a sensible letter.Now we ALL need to get to work and help
mend this nation. It's going to require hard work, courage, and above all
-- cooperation -- from all sides.
Wish I could afford to be part of the "inner circle." I guess
that's what GOP economics is all about. I just haven't figured out how
to make it work for me.