@ProudBigBrother - My posts on DesNews and SLTrib have been about Riverton 4
years ago, about Herriman the past 3 years and will continue to be about
Herriman the next 3 years because I have son's on the team. No other team
concerns me.Yes..."could of, should of, would of" is still
in effect because it is still affecting the 4A playoffs. Mountain Crest v
Timpview is a semi-final game. Timpview vs East is a championship game. I
actually have no distaste of East. Throughout the entire appeal process...my
feelings were that East should be allowed in the playoffs. When Herriman drew
East in the 1st round...I was shocked...but I knew Herriman would play East
competitively. What's funny is that everyone on here had predictions of
East winning by 20 to 40 points.You say Herriman hasn't proven
anything. I think they have proven about as much as a 3 year school could have.
20 wins, 3 playoff appearances, 1 playoff win and 1 region title. I'm not
sure how much more a school in our position could do in 3 years...other than
make it to Rice-Eccles...which we were expecting this year!!!
Benzo, your posts only bother me in that they are still focused on Herriman, and
what "coulda, woulda, shoulda" been (quoting Golden Helmet, not you) had
the UHSAA made a different decision. I, and everyone else talking to you, it
seems, simply feel that the Herriman topic of conversation has run it's
course. The decisions that have led to this point have long ago been made, and
the outcomes decided on the field. What would have happened without Timpview and
East competing is irrelevant. Your distaste for East and their allowance into
the playoffs, while understandable, is no longer worth mentioning, since they
have now been booted from title contention by a better team. So can we move on?
Please? Go Timpview and Mount Crest! Let's see some good
@ProudBigBrother - I'm not sure why my posts bother you so much. I simply
am stating facts. I never disrespect other teams in my posts...I only highlight
my opinions about Herriman. In regards to East...Herriman scored the 3rd most
points...behind only Logan and Timpview. In regards to East...Herriman held
East to its 3rd lowest total...behind only Timpview and Box Elder. In regards
to East...Herriman's loss by 11 points was the lowest winning margin of all
of East's wins.As far as saying Herriman hasn't proven
anything...I can say I agree...but most teams in 4A haven't proven
anything. Historically...Timpview is the only "Elite" team in 4A with
possibly East, Mountain Crest or Highland in the discussion. As far as for the
2012 season...Herriman was one of the 4 best teams in 4A. I can name Timpview,
East and Logan as teams better than Herriman...other than that...I can't
think of any other teams.Herriman beat every team they should have,
lost to 1 team they should have and lost to 2 teams they shouldn't have.
Herriman garnered a record of 16-7 in 2 years of 4A football.
Seriously, Benzo?!?!?! Really? You're still touting Herriman's horn?
To what end? What is the end-game you're looking for? Because I'll
tell you this much, if all your touting throughout the season, and all the play
on the field wasn't enough to make everyone bow down and salute Herriman
for the super 4A power that you're convinced it is, then your
post-elimination rants won't either. They are a good team, with FUTURE
potential, but nothing more. Not yet.Everyone was doubting Syracuse
(and Region 1 as a whole), so they had to go out and prove themselves. Now
everyone is a believer, Syracuse is the real deal! They have EARNED the respect
of all the players, coaches and fans in Utah. However, had they beat Alta but
lost to Bingham, I doubt everyone would have been convinced. Regardless of what
happens next week, hats off to Syracuse.But Herriman hasn't
proven anything. They beat the teams they should have and lost to the teams they
should have (and 1 they shouldn't have). They play well, are well coached
and have a bright future, but they need to do more.
Go Thunderbirds! I expected no less of you, Timpview, and you delivered. One
more down, one more to go! Good luck next weekend!East, good season.
I'm glad you got the chance to make a run in the playoffs. I would have
never been satisfied with the outcome of the playoffs if you (and Timpview for
that matter) hadn't been allowed to compete.It's true,
this was in all likelihood the championship game. But who cares that it
didn't take place in the final game? How often do we see the same thing
happen, in a variety of sports? All the time. For a while, whoever won the
western NBA conference was basically the NBA champions, because the east was
pretty weak for a while. That doesn't make those champion teams any less
worthy. The best team was the last one standing and earned the title, just like
Timpview or Mountain Crest will next week. Fairness and justice are served on
@eagleIm not sure if tv would have won bigger if there was no storm but it
definely would have been more.scoring
You picked it right, Edwards. I noticed that Parry gave East the edge in his
picks. Just spoke with my 3 Timpview sons (2 starters and a 1st option backup).
They know that they haven't won a title yet. No region title (though after
this game vs East some have labeled us the Cheaters Bowl Champs.) No. They
beat a projected state champ in East. We will never know if this was the same
East team that started the year in such a dominant manner because of their
challenges late in the season. Logan caught them when they thought themselves
ousted from the playoffs. Definite emotional factor in that game's outcome.
Was East not projected the same way last year? Timpview players are hungry!
They are NOT looking past Mountain Crest thinking that the game on Friday is a
given. They have not forgotten Springville in 2010. A perfect season that came
to a grinding halt! They respect and are preparing for a peaking Mountain Crest
team. We welcome the challenge posed by a talented defense, complimented by Eddy
Hall and a potent offense. Can't wait to see how this plays out next week!
GO (ANGRY) TBIRDS!!!!!!
You can't put much stock into the games today except for maybe the Timpview
game where they showed they were vastly superior to East, plus the weather had
tempered a bit for that game. The Highland-Mountain Crest game was played in
ugly conditions. I suspect that Mountain Crest was better than what they showed
in that game, weather evens out things a lot. The weather then got bad again for
the Dixie-Juan Diego game. It effected Juan Diego's special teams
especially. But weather is weather and things happen. And Herriman
losing to Skyline is problematic if you want to put the Mustangs in the 4A
elite. Bottom line is that you don't lose to a mediocre team if
you're a great team. Timpview lost to Alta, it's only loss on the
field by a mere two points. It beat Lone Peak at Lone Peak. Mountain Crest beat
Logan and won their league and Logan beat East, last game or not, and the
Grizzlies were the returning 4A champs who lost one game all year long, t to
Mountain Crest before they ran into Timpview.
So glad East did not make the final game FINALLY justice has been served, Thanks
Great job Timpview on the win over East!I agree with eagle that
people are selling Mountain Crest a bit short. Look at what Syracuse has done.
It is too bad that the weather seemed to have a large impact on that game. They
just may dominated Highland like they did to Bountiful. They may have even had a
better than 50% chance to beat East. Timpview defiantly has to tools to dominate
but they can't slack off for the championship game.Lastly,
Where do people get off suggesting that Timpview should have been eliminated
from the playoffs. They would have to blatantly ignore the rules to punish
Timpview to that extent. A much bugger deviation from precedent than what they
did with East.
Timpview proved to y'all haters what's up. Timpview is the best in the
state and we proved it today. Besides our only loss this year was by 3 points to
Alta. We held East under 27 (Herriman thought they were the only ones that could
do that),and under 21 (Box Elder did that). 14 baby! We would have been able to
score more but thanks to the weather condition, we only got up to 34. Our
running game is dependable as is our passing game. Give credit where credit is
due and let it go. We go ham on people anytime, anyone, anywhere.Great game to East though, thanks for the memories!
@Golden Helmet - I can't agree with you on that one...I don't think
anyone would put Skyline over Herriman...regardless of the outcome of the game.
Herriman's Region 7 co-champs laid eggs in round 1. How could Olympus let
Highland win??? How could Skyline let Bountiful kill them by 30 points???You have it twisted a bit...I concede to East. Based off how games have
progressed...I think East and Timpview are the only teams that could beat
Herriman in the playoffs. A likely scenario for Herriman would have been losing
to East in a close semi-final game or if by some chance Herriman got past
East...Herriman losing to Timpview in the finals.There is no
"coulda, shoulda, woulda" over here. The fact is a better Championship
game is Timpview vs East. The best semi-final games are Timpview vs Mountain
Crest and East vs Herriman. The UHSAA decision prevented the best possible games
from happening at the best possible times. East vs Herriman was played 2 weeks
too early. East vs Timpview was played 1 week too early and Timpview vs
Mountain Crest will be played 1 week to late!!!
My man Benzo, you forgot one team to put over Herriman, that is Skyline. Lest
ye forget, they beat Herriman, regardless of what has happened since, Herriman
still lost. Regardless of score and circumstance, Herriman still lost to East.
I am happy that the East game is over, in that we can move on from
the unfortunate events. What is truly unfortunate is that we are still hearing
the "coulda, shoulda, woulda's" from Benzo about Herriman. Give it
a rest, you guys were co region champs with two others. You did not take state.
Root on your Mustangs for basketball, wrestling, or whatever, but seriously,
give it a rest.I agree with Eagle, don't count out Mt Crest.
They destroyed Bountiful, who destroyed Skyline, who beat Herriman, who as we
all know is the best 4A team, despite being co champs and a first round loser.
Both of these teams shouldn't have been playing anyway.
@footballfan8 - I understand about Timpview forfeiting games. I just feel that
when an ineligible player is found and the result will affect the
playoffs...then there should only be two options: Either the team cannot be in
the playoffs or the forfeit games but retain their seeding.@eagle -
It is possible that everyone is selling Mountain Crest short...I know I am.
I'm not so sure about taking Mountain Crest over Herriman. A close loss to
Lone Peak and a big win over Bountiful (who I think is overrated) are the only
games that stand out for Mountain Crest. In regards to Herriman....I can only
put two teams above them...Timpview and East. And even East I would love to get
another shot at them!!! Herriman scored the 3rd most amount points against
East...behind only Logan and Timpview. Herriman held East to its 3rd lowest
amount of points...behind only Box Elder and Timpview. Herriman also had the
lowest margin of victory for any of East's wins.
I think one is selling Mountain Crest a bit short. Let's say how they play
Timpview, if they play them better than East then maybe all was how it should
be...And I would take Mountain Crest over Herriman BTW...
@bigbeenzoActually timpview did forfeight all the games that there was an
ineligible player but that was only during two region games and he was at the
end. East in the other hand had an ineligible starter apparently
Props to Timpview for doing what the UHSAA didn't have the guts to do -
boot East from the playoffs!!
This game is a reminder of how much the UHSAA screwed these playoffs up. The
new rule in regards to ineligibility and the playoffs should be do or die:
Either the team is removed from the playoffs or they stay in the playoffs at the
current seeding.Both East and Timpview should have been removed from
the playoffs or both should have retained their #1 seed.East/Timpview out of playoffs:QUARTERFINALS: Highland v Orem; MC v
Bountiful; Logan v WX; Herriman vs Box ElderSEMIFINALS: Highland v MC;
Logan v HerrimanFINALS: MC v HerrimanEast/Timpview #1
Seeds:QUARTERFINALS: Bountiful v Timpview; MC v WX; Logan v East; Herriman
v OremSEMIFINALS: Timpview v MC; East v HerrimanFINALS: Timpview v
EastThe semifinal game today between Timpview & East should have
been the Championship game. The game between Highland and MC was of little
significance.With Timpview and East in the playoffs...those teams
should have played in the finals with Timpview being the Champ. With both teams
out of the playoffs....Logan, Herriman and MC all would have had chances at a
championship.UHSAA has to improve and make some changes!!!!
I figured Lloyd was playing at too high of level for East to handle. He and
Kafentzis are the best QB's in the state by a large measure though the
Barney kid of Dixie I would rate as a strong third.
Congrats to the TImpview. Having watched both teams against Logan, I would have
been shocked by a different outcome. East is also a great team but was
vulnerable to turnovers and undisciplined play. It got them. Two great teams,
congrats on the season for both. An upset though? Hardly.