Published: Friday, Nov. 9 2012 12:00 a.m. MST
Yes, Romney showed early on that he could and would take whatever position he
thought would help him win. The GOP primaries force candidates to
take politically untenable positions in order to get the nomination. One must
go too far right and appeal to the wing of the party.One must-
be "severely conservative"- reject 10 to 1 spending cuts to
revenue- sign the grover pledgeAnd if they do manage to get
the nomination, they have a hard hard road to return to the sane middle ground
which is where the majority of the country is.I do hope that the GOP
realizes that the T party positions are not a winning strategy.I want a
viable GOP to keep the Dems in check. This country runs best when we have 2
reasonable parties that can work together to find a sensible middle ground.I fear that the "we lost cause we were not far enough right"
crowd will win out.
From the Deseret news... Mitt Romney steers clear of Ohio health,
union issues By Dan Sewell AP Published by DSNews 10 25 11
Then... Mitt Romney reverses himself, supports anti-union law By
Philip Elliott AP Published by DSNews 10 26 11 FAIRFAX, Va.
— A DAY after he refused to endorse an Ohio ballot measure that limits
public employee union rights, Republican presidential hopeful Mitt Romney said
Wednesday that he is "110 percent" behind the effort.
Hmmm... Zero to One Hundred and ten percent....in just 24 hours. Mitt Romney did, indeed say anything to win. And he lost.
The Tea Party cost the GOP this election, and it will cost them future elections
until Republicans wake up to that fact.
His behavior was evident, at least to those of us who don't cotton to the
White Horse prophecy.
I've asked this question before, and never really gotten an answer, so here
it is again. Name an issue, any issue, on which Mr. Romney has stayed consistent
over the years? I honestly can't think off one.
Garbage: Obama merely proved that race/gender/class warfare is effectivewhich is a sad comment on American culture
I must concur with the opinion that many,many,church members thought that
Mr.Romney was the prophetic figure who would save the constitution and restore
the country..They were not saying it out loud but I think a reasonable person
would conclude that if Mitt had won there would have been a blaring
trumpet,broadcasting the good news,coming from Utah...It just goes to show you
that prophecy depends on the quality of the seer..Actually I think it is a good
thing that Mitt lost because the negative backlash against the church would have
been tremendous with truths being lain bare that the church has tried to conceal
for years..After all,it would not have been just folks just trying to stir the
pot but the entire media system..When one is peculiar they stick out..At any
rate,getting back to the main question,I do not think even Romney knew what he
believed;other than he thought he was destined to be President and would do
anything,no matter how nefarious,to obtain that end..
Listen folks, it's not that complicated. The nation just doesn't like
flip floppers. Mitt Romney is the John Kerry of the GOP. Bush, for
as incompetent as he was, didn't flip flop nearly as much as Mitt. As Bush
campaigned on, "You know me. You might not always agree w/my views, but you
Funny to see how all the leftists find a proven known liar, like Obama, to be a
more holy and sacred choice then a known panderer and say anything to get
elected Romney. Just be honest...or is that why you supported the guy in the
first place - lack of honesty? All politicians do some of these things! They
both seem to be equal in that department, so it still comes down to ideas, and
where you fall on the left vs right scale. An unthinking, gullible and
uncommitted electorate (moderates) become a factor also. I don't care if
the GOP loses the next 10 elections, as long as they don't become more like
Democrats. What would be the point? Maintain their separation! There are all
kinds of cycles that influence these things, and you never know when that will
Robert AndersonMontgomery Village, Md.As a non-Utah, non-Republican
LDS Church member,Why this behavior was not evident to those in Utah
and elsewhere who slavishly supported him is beyond me.=============
Careful there Bro. Anderson, Being a Non-Utah, Non-Republican
LDS member is not imaginable or even possible in the minds of Utah Mormons
[it’s called living in the bubble].They blindly vote for the
“R”, Even more blindly when they claim to be good Mormons.Lying, deceits, and ½ truths from former Stake Presidents show a
lack of integrity and honesty – something my Prophet said we need to stand
on, “beyond reproach” is how Pres. Hinckley put it.Mitt
Romney failed that litmus on every level.Honesty is the best
policy.BTW - It would have helped him to follow his own
Father's example - and provided the last 10 years of Income taxes.But
again - that honestly thing keeps coming up...
LDS Liberal. How's that working out for you? The nation is moving your way
in a wave. Your President has punched through his agenda of same sex marriage,
abortions at will funded by all of the taxpayers. Anything goes for everybody
whether they are capable of working or not. How does that compare with the LDS
Welfare system? How does providing for your own and relying on your family for
financial support before feeding at the public trough? Wake up and smell the
Postum Brother, the moral decline of this nation is now on steroids led by the
biggest Rock Star of all times. Pity us. I fear for us. Check the history books,
including the scriptures. Nations have fallen in big numbers by following their
Obamas. We had a chance but ignored it for the easy life of "free
stuff". Pity us.
Counter Intelligence and HaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHa can stick their heads in the sand
all they want about this, but the GOP has a real problem here. Their insistence
on extreme ideological purity causes moderate & reasonable candidates like
Romney to run far right in order just to survive the primaries. He then had to
backtrack on a lot of issues to keep from getting slaughtered in the general
election. The result was a flip-flopping candidate who never seemed genuine in
anything he said or stood for, because he had changed it so many times. The
only time I could be sure where he stood was his baseless 47% comment, playing
class warfare with a bunch of rich donors when he didn't know the camera
was rolling. THAT was the real Mitt Romney. Governor Romney was a
reasonable conservative I could probably live with. Presidential Candidate
Romney was a whole different animal who badly lost the state he used to govern.
And it wasn't just Romney. A number of extreme right
Congressmen lost elections. Even Mia Love couldn't win in a gerrymandered
district in an ultra-conservative state.
People often lump honesty and integrity together, assuming they are the same
thing. Not so. Integrity is being consistent with your convictions, whatever
those might be. Hitler, therefore, had integrity. He just had wrong-headed
convictions. Unfortunately, Mitt Romney did not have integrity. I'll
refrain from commenting on his convictions, except to say that he didn't
stick to them. His chameleon act on the issues was astonishing. But honesty
wasn't all that appealing to Mitt either. And it wasn't just the
whoppers he told from time to time. Even more insidious were all the instances
of what one of my MBA professors called "strategic misrepresentation."
This form of dishonesty went back at least to the Bain years.Unlike
Mr. Anderson, I am a politically unaffiliated Utah Mormon. I wasn't fooled
for an instant by Romney and am just glad it's over, so that the rest of
the country can now forget his example of what Mormonism is all about.
born in37ST GEORGE, UTLDS Liberal. How's that working out for
you? The nation is moving your way in a wave. ========== Born in '37I assume you are one of those lazy 47% Romney spoke so
highly of -- the do nothing on SOCIAL Security, that evil Socialist
Program, created by evil Liberals for the Elderly....The LDS Church
supported LGBT rights, the GOP does not.The LDS Church
supported immigration reform, the GOP does not.The LDS Church
supports abortion for rape, incest, life/health of the woman, the GOP does
not.The LDS Church supports various forms of Social Justice, the GOP does not.The LDS Church is worldwide organization
accepting and including all people of all walks of life, the GOP does
not.I love my country, have served my country, and will support and
defend my country, I am a pro-life - Anti-Death penalty, Anti-War, Feed
the hungry, clothe the naked, heal the sick, tend o the Elderly, bleeding heart
liberal, the GOP is not.Time for some Postum, brother.
Brigham Young was absolutely correct when he said that the people were not ready
for the United Order,that they were unworthy to obtain this blessing..I think a
lot of people are going to get a very rude awakening when they discover that God
is apolitical, could care less about BYU sports,and most likely,if you consider
Jesus bloodline from Judaism and his own words to the effect that"if you
have seen me you have seen my father",is not a wealthy caucasian male...As
for the LDS welfare system,there is abuse there as well..I am sure we all know
some in our wards who seem to think as long as they come to church and say the
right things that the church,or by extension,church members will sustain them in
at least a minimalist fashion..Lastly, I can just not understand how some of
these posters can obtain a Temple Recommend as their connection to the Spirit is
nominal at best and nonexistent at worse...
Robert,I doubt our enthusiasm for Romney was that much higher than it
would have been for Santorum or Gingrich or anyone else on the GOP ticket. A
little perhaps, but not a significant amount. The enthusiasm for the OGP is
more a reflection of the rejection of the great evil that currently infests the
WH than support for the other side.But as to changing positions
– why is it flip-flopping when a repub does it, but not when a dem does
it? BO changed numerous positions without one peep about him flip-flopping.
Roland,You can’t think “off” one?
Really?Maverick,BO NEVER changed positions? (GITMO, gay
marriage, no lobbyists, single-pay health system, open administration, etc ad
infinitum) I see no condemnation of his changing positions from you. Why the
double standard? Oh, that’s right, the left HAS no standards to which
they can be held.
LDS Lib,You appear really deluded, and excessively ANGRY despite your
victory.“Lying, deceits, and ½ truths from former Stake
Presidents show a lack of integrity and honesty” harry reid, right?Tell me where the LDS church supports gay marriage, as you infer.Tell me where the church supported open borders or the dem approach (if
it differs from open borders) over any other immigration reform approach put
forth.You lie when you say the GOP does not support abortion for
rape, incest, or the life of the mother. But you gladly accept taxpayer funded
abortion on demand merely to allow for those few acceptions.The GOP
SPONSORED medicare in congress in the 1960s. You LIE when you say the GOP does
not support social justice. What is just about taking from the producers to
give to the slothful?The LDS church accepts people of all walks to
bring them to Christ and help them be self-sufficient; the dems accept them to
become a dependent voting block. The church accepts them so they can change
and improve, the dems care not about their improvement.You cannot be
a pro-life liberal, positions are mutually exclusive.
All I can say about this letter is Amen and Amen.
@EmajorIt is amusing that you claim I stick my head in the sand when
Obama clearly did NOT run on his record - but on fear and loathing.For example: Obama forces Catholics to pay for abortion inducing drugs - then
he claims a completely contrived "war on women" in order to divert
attention from his own war on "choice" (because Catholics apparently do
not deserve the right to NOT choose to pay for morning after pills) and then he
labels anyone who notices the HATE as being extreme.I can clearly
see when a person is a perpetrator AND compounds it by blaming the victim. That
is not a GOP problem: it is a civilization problem
Why can't you leftists be honest? Even if we stretched the truth, and
declared that Romney told just one more lie then Obama, that still makes Obama a
big liar! Complete fact....Obama is a big liar, maybe just like Romney? Why cant
you be honest and admit that, because none of you have? I've said it many
times, I will say it again, Romney isn't conservative, and he would not
have even been in my top 10 list of candidates running, but compared to Obama,
he is MILES ahead as a superior candidate. Those were our choices. Given the
honesty issue is equal, (which it's not), just be truthful about the rest
of it. Don't act like you wanted to vote GOP, you didn't. Admit it,
you love liberal values - Soak the rich taxes, bleeding heart welfare, abortion
on demand and the proliferation of gayness. Don't deny it!
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