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  • NANAMAE CENTERVILLE, UT
    Nov. 14, 2012 4:48 p.m.

    LValfre
    I'm waiting..........

  • LValfre CHICAGO, IL
    Nov. 13, 2012 12:27 p.m.

    @NANAMAE

    "What I don't understand, with my limited intellect, is how members of the LDS church like Mr. Anderson, Harry Reid and the liberal mormon haters on this site can in good conscience vote for a man who, among other things, supports gay marriage (a recent flip flop for Obama) and the horrendous practice of partial birth abortion. But I'm sure with their superior liberal intellect they can explain it."

    Yes, their superior intellect can explain a lot of things. It just takes a strong intellect to understand ...

  • JLR Eagle Mountain, UT
    Nov. 12, 2012 5:01 p.m.

    Obama said anything to win as well. It went both ways.

  • boxerdog915 Clearfield, UT
    Nov. 12, 2012 11:04 a.m.

    Most politicians will say anything, including lying, to get the votes. Anyone who has any common sense knows that! Obama, Romeny, Pelosi, Reid, Love, Matheson, Hatch, you name them, they have lied to the publc to get the votes and remain/win. That's how Washington functions now. Just proves to me they are all corrupt and shouldn't be trusted! Except Ron Paul!

  • GK Willington Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 11, 2012 8:51 a.m.

    to aComment 9:56 p.m. Nov. 10, 2012

    {Conservatives measure truth by what actually works.}

    Yet, Conservatives still cling to supply side economics when its creator David Stockman repudiated it as voodoo.

  • aComment Centerville, UT
    Nov. 10, 2012 9:56 p.m.

    (My copy/paste attempt failed and a previous copy was pasted. This has the quote from the platform. Too bad we can't edit our comments here.)

    LDS Liberal,

    Here is a direct quote from the Utah Republican Party Platform.

    "We believe in the right to life for both the born and unborn. We strongly oppose abortion, except
    to preserve the life of the mother or in cases of rape or incest. "

    Most of the claims by liberals about what conservatives believe are equally accurate. Much like the claims by non-LDS about what the LDS believe. Or much like what Mormons in the East claim about what Utah Mormons think and why they think so. It's all just a series of echo chambers where they think they are such sophisticated thinkers because their equally uninformed peers agree and because they shun actually listening to the people they presume to know so much about.

    Liberals measure accuracy by how many fellow liberals agree. Conservatives measure truth by what actually works.

  • aComment Centerville, UT
    Nov. 10, 2012 9:21 p.m.

    Ernest T

    I agree that it is appropriate to remember the lives and families affected by the war in Iraq. We may disagree on the worth of the war, but those who died and those who came home affected for life should not be forgotten.

    But I am curious of what specific lies you believe Bush/Cheney told to get us in Iraq? They Yellow Cake purchase turned out to be valid intelligence even if the story about how we got that knowledge had flaws. The bit about nuclear capacity was only one of many reasons given, not the only or even the clinching one. Plus, we never stated for sure that they had it -- only that they were trying. The constant narrative of "no weapons of mass destruction were found" suddenly stopped without explanation. Some of us noticed, however, that it stopped after the barely publicized story that evidence of chemical weapons were indeed found. After a small pause, the accusations simply turned generic into "Bush lied." You sound like you might still be stuck in that phase.

  • aComment Centerville, UT
    Nov. 10, 2012 9:09 p.m.

    NANAMAE

    Be verrry careful about pointing out the percentage of votes for Obama in Maryland in a discussion where the word "slavish" is used. It might cause someone to notice what percentage of blacks voted for Obama and then the Double Standard liberal machine will say you are racist. Remember, only Conservatives can be safely accused of not being able to think for themselves. Truth has nothing to do with it.

  • aComment Centerville, UT
    Nov. 10, 2012 8:55 p.m.

    LDS Liberal,

    Here is a direct quote from the Utah Republican Party Platform.

    "Case in point. Find claims by liberals that Mitt is a liar prior to the first debate. Then notice that the very first thing Biden said in his debate was that everything Ryan said was un-true. When asked to back that up, he said he would, but then went "

    Most of the claims by liberals about what conservatives believe are equally accurate. Much like the claims by non-LDS about what the LDS believe. Or much like what Mormons in the East claim about what Utah Mormons think and why they think so. It's all just a series of echo chambers where they think they are such sophisticated thinkers because their equally uninformed peers agree and because they shun actually listening to the people they presume to know so much about.

    Liberals measure accuracy by how many fellow liberals agree. Conservatives measure truth by what actually works.

  • Linus Bountiful, UT
    Nov. 10, 2012 12:08 p.m.

    I used to spend too much time trying to reason with Mormon liberals. Watch me save my breath.

  • Christian 24-7 Murray, UT
    Nov. 10, 2012 11:57 a.m.

    Continuing to harp on Bush will help none of the things you mentioned. Done is done. We can't go back and change that.

    The current President has our troops in multiple countries without funding for those wars and without congressional backing for them, and is borrowing over a trillion a year, with no end in sight. He didn't just lie to us, he had an innocent man jailed for exercising his freedom of speech. To trust him would be folly. Almost half the country sent the message that his actions as president are not what they want. He was re-elected, but the citizens still have influence and need to use it to correct the course of this presidency and country.

    So keep singing Bush is bad all you want. Those of us who really care about this country, and every person in it, will spend our efforts on challenges in the present that we can improve the future.

  • NANAMAE CENTERVILLE, UT
    Nov. 10, 2012 10:53 a.m.

    With a few strokes of his pen Robert Anderson of Maryland has managed to insult hundreds of thousands of Utahans by assuming that we "slavishly" voted for Mitt Romney because can't think for ourselves. The people of Maryland voted for Obama by close to the same percentage as Utahans voted for Romney, so according to Mr. Anderson's logic, they slavishly supported Obama.
    I feel good about voting for a smart, successful man who shares my values. What I don't understand, with my limited intellect, is how members of the LDS church like Mr. Anderson, Harry Reid and the liberal mormon haters on this site can in good conscience vote for a man who, among other things, supports gay marriage (a recent flip flop for Obama) and the horrendous practice of partial birth abortion. But I'm sure with their superior liberal intellect they can explain it.

  • Grover Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 10, 2012 10:43 a.m.

    Counter I: "Obama proved race/gender/class warfare is effective." It couldn't be effective unless the was showing the opposition in a light that struck a chord with many voters. Did you watch the Republican convention? Without Mia Love being there it could have been mistaken for a meeting of the Aryan Nations...every face in the audience was a white face. Without the Mourdock abortion rant and Mitt's commercial endorsing him, the gender charge would have fallen on deaf ears. Without Mitt being a mega rich car elevator guy and wanting to continue the historically low tax rates on his own kind, the class warfare charge would have been rejected. As it was all of them pointed out flaws in the Republican ideas for America that many found wanting.

  • Ernest T. Bass Bountiful, UT
    Nov. 10, 2012 10:33 a.m.

    Christian:
    Clinging to it forever? How about we talk about it until the trillion dollar debt it paid off? How about we cling to it as long as there are kids who's parents were killed over there?
    How about we cling to it as long as there are tens of thousands of wounded vets looking for medical treatment and jobs?
    It is a continuing disaster, that's why we keep talking about it.
    Benghazi was nothing compared to it.
    I don't believe for a second that you're Christian 24-7.

  • jzorider salt lake city, UT
    Nov. 10, 2012 9:39 a.m.

    born in37 gives a good description of why I am not LDS any longer. I don't understand why people choose to believe the world is getting wore and more wicked, why every little thing is a sign of some apocalypse, and why gay right and abortions are the only issues we should worry about in elections. I'm sorry, but I never felt God when I was listening to how awful everything was in the world, and I'm not sure how anyone else can, either. The world is wonderful, and it's getting better every generation. Just see it.

  • Christian 24-7 Murray, UT
    Nov. 10, 2012 7:35 a.m.

    MR. Bass,

    "...shall we discuss the Bush/Cheney lies to get us into Iraq?
    How long are you guys going to hang your non-issue hats on Benghazi?"

    This is how it should read: So how long are you going guys going to hang on to the non-issue of Bush in Iraq? It was a DECADE ago for heaven's sake!

    Talk about clinging on to it forever!

    Oh wait, really it is just a distraction so we won't look at the current president. I see it for what it is. Do you? Or do you just keep repeating the liberal talking points mindlessly?

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    Nov. 10, 2012 6:54 a.m.

    Emajor,
    read my first post about BO. It's NEVER been about the repub, it's predominantly anti-dem=abortion=gay marriage=government dependency=assault on decency=assault on religion=assault on the family=assault on free enterprise=class warfare, etc. If there is anything virtuous. lovely, of good report, or praiseworthy, dems seek to denigrate and destroy those things

    Why do you libs have such a problem with the truth? (even your leader has no concept of it)

  • WestGranger West Valley City, Utah
    Nov. 10, 2012 1:16 a.m.

    Maybe some Utahns know Romney well enough to not follow along like sheep to the attacks on Romney.Obama's many lies about Romney didn't hold water.

  • Ernest T. Bass Bountiful, UT
    Nov. 9, 2012 11:51 p.m.

    Hey Sal,
    If you're talking about lies, shall we discuss the Bush/Cheney lies to get us into Iraq?
    How long are you guys going to hang your non-issue hats on Benghazi? Relative to Iraq, it was absolutely nothing.

  • Emajor Ogden, UT
    Nov. 9, 2012 8:01 p.m.

    lost in DC,
    "Pew analysis: Mitt Romney pulls in fewer Mormon votes than Bush"

    What that shows is 78% of Mormons went for Romney while 80% went for Bush. Not only is that nearly identical, it shows the slavish support that Mr. Anderson is accusing you of.

    Not really an erroneous accusation.

  • Sal Provo, UT
    Nov. 9, 2012 7:05 p.m.

    And Obama is so moral? He lied to cover-up the Benghazi terrorist attacks claiming they were just the result of a spontaneous riot that evening. He kept secret the attacks on our drone by Iran. It could have cost him the election. He funneled billions in taxpayer dollars to bankrupt companies like Solyndra, who then turned around and donated to his campaign. Foolish Americans deserve what's coming.

  • Hank Pym SLC, UT
    Nov. 9, 2012 6:33 p.m.

    I am a native Utahn/cultural Mormon with strong libertarian leanings.

    My issue w/ this yrs GOP nominee was....Willard is IMO incredibly insincere.

    re: Timothy

    **I think a lot of people are going to get a very rude awakening when they discover that God is apolitical, could care less about BYU sports,and most likely,if you consider Jesus bloodline from Judaism and his own words to the effect that"if you have seen me you have seen my father",is not a wealthy caucasian male...**

    You mean if as the scriptures say God is no respecter of persons why would he care about secular matters like sports or politics. They are arguably two of the most vcarnal pasttimes of humanity.

    Are you saying Jesus looked more like Max Klinger than Chad Kroeger?

    "Lastly, I can just not understand how some of these posters can obtain a Temple Recommend as their connection to the Spirit is nominal at best and nonexistent at worse..."

    Agreed. Its a conundrum but its between the individual X, God, & the appropriately designated authority.

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    Nov. 9, 2012 4:30 p.m.

    Robert,
    "Pew analysis: Mitt Romney pulls in fewer Mormon votes than Bush" DN11/9/12 11:20 am.

    what does that say about your accusation concerning us and Romney? What was the basis for your erroneous assumption?

  • Thinkin\' Man Rexburg, ID
    Nov. 9, 2012 2:57 p.m.

    It's this kind of drink-the-kool-aid, politicized, distorted view of reality that caused otherwise rational people to re-elect a train-wreck president. Almost nothing the letter writer said is accurate, but is distorted through the Democrat party's propaganda filter. That so many Americans are gullible, shallow, and so easily fooled deeply disturbs me.

  • HaHaHaHa Othello, WA
    Nov. 9, 2012 1:43 p.m.

    Why can't you leftists be honest? Even if we stretched the truth, and declared that Romney told just one more lie then Obama, that still makes Obama a big liar! Complete fact....Obama is a big liar, maybe just like Romney? Why cant you be honest and admit that, because none of you have? I've said it many times, I will say it again, Romney isn't conservative, and he would not have even been in my top 10 list of candidates running, but compared to Obama, he is MILES ahead as a superior candidate. Those were our choices. Given the honesty issue is equal, (which it's not), just be truthful about the rest of it. Don't act like you wanted to vote GOP, you didn't. Admit it, you love liberal values - Soak the rich taxes, bleeding heart welfare, abortion on demand and the proliferation of gayness. Don't deny it!

  • Counter Intelligence Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 9, 2012 1:17 p.m.

    @Emajor

    It is amusing that you claim I stick my head in the sand when Obama clearly did NOT run on his record - but on fear and loathing.

    For example: Obama forces Catholics to pay for abortion inducing drugs - then he claims a completely contrived "war on women" in order to divert attention from his own war on "choice" (because Catholics apparently do not deserve the right to NOT choose to pay for morning after pills) and then he labels anyone who notices the HATE as being extreme.

    I can clearly see when a person is a perpetrator AND compounds it by blaming the victim. That is not a GOP problem: it is a civilization problem

  • Mike in Cedar City Cedar City, Utah
    Nov. 9, 2012 1:05 p.m.

    All I can say about this letter is Amen and Amen.

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    Nov. 9, 2012 1:01 p.m.

    LDS Lib,
    You appear really deluded, and excessively ANGRY despite your victory.

    “Lying, deceits, and ½ truths from former Stake Presidents show a lack of integrity and honesty” harry reid, right?

    Tell me where the LDS church supports gay marriage, as you infer.

    Tell me where the church supported open borders or the dem approach (if it differs from open borders) over any other immigration reform approach put forth.

    You lie when you say the GOP does not support abortion for rape, incest, or the life of the mother. But you gladly accept taxpayer funded abortion on demand merely to allow for those few acceptions.

    The GOP SPONSORED medicare in congress in the 1960s. You LIE when you say the GOP does not support social justice. What is just about taking from the producers to give to the slothful?

    The LDS church accepts people of all walks to bring them to Christ and help them be self-sufficient; the dems accept them to become a dependent voting block. The church accepts them so they can change and improve, the dems care not about their improvement.

    You cannot be a pro-life liberal, positions are mutually exclusive.

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    Nov. 9, 2012 12:52 p.m.

    Robert,
    I doubt our enthusiasm for Romney was that much higher than it would have been for Santorum or Gingrich or anyone else on the GOP ticket. A little perhaps, but not a significant amount. The enthusiasm for the OGP is more a reflection of the rejection of the great evil that currently infests the WH than support for the other side.

    But as to changing positions – why is it flip-flopping when a repub does it, but not when a dem does it? BO changed numerous positions without one peep about him flip-flopping.

    Roland,
    You can’t think “off” one? Really?

    Maverick,
    BO NEVER changed positions? (GITMO, gay marriage, no lobbyists, single-pay health system, open administration, etc ad infinitum) I see no condemnation of his changing positions from you. Why the double standard? Oh, that’s right, the left HAS no standards to which they can be held.

  • Timothy Benton City, WA
    Nov. 9, 2012 12:14 p.m.

    Brigham Young was absolutely correct when he said that the people were not ready for the United Order,that they were unworthy to obtain this blessing..I think a lot of people are going to get a very rude awakening when they discover that God is apolitical, could care less about BYU sports,and most likely,if you consider Jesus bloodline from Judaism and his own words to the effect that"if you have seen me you have seen my father",is not a wealthy caucasian male...As for the LDS welfare system,there is abuse there as well..I am sure we all know some in our wards who seem to think as long as they come to church and say the right things that the church,or by extension,church members will sustain them in at least a minimalist fashion..Lastly, I can just not understand how some of these posters can obtain a Temple Recommend as their connection to the Spirit is nominal at best and nonexistent at worse...

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Nov. 9, 2012 11:58 a.m.

    born in37
    ST GEORGE, UT
    LDS Liberal. How's that working out for you? The nation is moving your way in a wave.

    ==========

    Born in '37
    I assume you are one of those lazy 47% Romney spoke so highly of -- the do nothing on SOCIAL Security,
    that evil Socialist Program, created by evil Liberals for the Elderly....

    The LDS Church supported LGBT rights,
    the GOP does not.

    The LDS Church supported immigration reform,
    the GOP does not.

    The LDS Church supports abortion for rape, incest, life/health of the woman,
    the GOP does not.

    The LDS Church supports various forms of Social Justice,
    the GOP does not.

    The LDS Church is worldwide organization accepting and including all people of all walks of life,
    the GOP does not.

    I love my country, have served my country, and will support and defend my country,
    I am a pro-life - Anti-Death penalty, Anti-War, Feed the hungry, clothe the naked, heal the sick, tend o the Elderly, bleeding heart liberal,
    the GOP is not.

    Time for some Postum, brother.

  • Kent C. DeForrest Provo, UT
    Nov. 9, 2012 11:36 a.m.

    People often lump honesty and integrity together, assuming they are the same thing. Not so. Integrity is being consistent with your convictions, whatever those might be. Hitler, therefore, had integrity. He just had wrong-headed convictions. Unfortunately, Mitt Romney did not have integrity. I'll refrain from commenting on his convictions, except to say that he didn't stick to them. His chameleon act on the issues was astonishing. But honesty wasn't all that appealing to Mitt either. And it wasn't just the whoppers he told from time to time. Even more insidious were all the instances of what one of my MBA professors called "strategic misrepresentation." This form of dishonesty went back at least to the Bain years.

    Unlike Mr. Anderson, I am a politically unaffiliated Utah Mormon. I wasn't fooled for an instant by Romney and am just glad it's over, so that the rest of the country can now forget his example of what Mormonism is all about.

  • Emajor Ogden, UT
    Nov. 9, 2012 11:33 a.m.

    Counter Intelligence and HaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHa can stick their heads in the sand all they want about this, but the GOP has a real problem here. Their insistence on extreme ideological purity causes moderate & reasonable candidates like Romney to run far right in order just to survive the primaries. He then had to backtrack on a lot of issues to keep from getting slaughtered in the general election. The result was a flip-flopping candidate who never seemed genuine in anything he said or stood for, because he had changed it so many times. The only time I could be sure where he stood was his baseless 47% comment, playing class warfare with a bunch of rich donors when he didn't know the camera was rolling. THAT was the real Mitt Romney.

    Governor Romney was a reasonable conservative I could probably live with. Presidential Candidate Romney was a whole different animal who badly lost the state he used to govern.

    And it wasn't just Romney. A number of extreme right Congressmen lost elections. Even Mia Love couldn't win in a gerrymandered district in an ultra-conservative state.

  • born in37 ST GEORGE, UT
    Nov. 9, 2012 10:53 a.m.

    LDS Liberal. How's that working out for you? The nation is moving your way in a wave. Your President has punched through his agenda of same sex marriage, abortions at will funded by all of the taxpayers. Anything goes for everybody whether they are capable of working or not. How does that compare with the LDS Welfare system? How does providing for your own and relying on your family for financial support before feeding at the public trough? Wake up and smell the Postum Brother, the moral decline of this nation is now on steroids led by the biggest Rock Star of all times. Pity us. I fear for us. Check the history books, including the scriptures. Nations have fallen in big numbers by following their Obamas. We had a chance but ignored it for the easy life of "free stuff". Pity us.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Nov. 9, 2012 9:52 a.m.

    Robert Anderson
    Montgomery Village, Md.
    As a non-Utah, non-Republican LDS Church member,

    Why this behavior was not evident to those in Utah and elsewhere who slavishly supported him is beyond me.

    =============

    Careful there Bro. Anderson,
    Being a Non-Utah, Non-Republican LDS member is not imaginable or even possible in the minds of Utah Mormons [it’s called living in the bubble].

    They blindly vote for the “R”,
    Even more blindly when they claim to be good Mormons.

    Lying, deceits, and ½ truths from former Stake Presidents show a lack of integrity and honesty – something my Prophet said we need to stand on, “beyond reproach” is how Pres. Hinckley put it.

    Mitt Romney failed that litmus on every level.

    Honesty is the best policy.

    BTW - It would have helped him to follow his own Father's example - and provided the last 10 years of Income taxes.
    But again - that honestly thing keeps coming up...

  • HaHaHaHa Othello, WA
    Nov. 9, 2012 9:46 a.m.

    Funny to see how all the leftists find a proven known liar, like Obama, to be a more holy and sacred choice then a known panderer and say anything to get elected Romney. Just be honest...or is that why you supported the guy in the first place - lack of honesty? All politicians do some of these things! They both seem to be equal in that department, so it still comes down to ideas, and where you fall on the left vs right scale. An unthinking, gullible and uncommitted electorate (moderates) become a factor also. I don't care if the GOP loses the next 10 elections, as long as they don't become more like Democrats. What would be the point? Maintain their separation! There are all kinds of cycles that influence these things, and you never know when that will change again.

  • The Real Maverick Orem, UT
    Nov. 9, 2012 9:19 a.m.

    Listen folks, it's not that complicated. The nation just doesn't like flip floppers. Mitt Romney is the John Kerry of the GOP.

    Bush, for as incompetent as he was, didn't flip flop nearly as much as Mitt. As Bush campaigned on, "You know me. You might not always agree w/my views, but you know me!"

  • Timothy Benton City, WA
    Nov. 9, 2012 9:14 a.m.

    I must concur with the opinion that many,many,church members thought that Mr.Romney was the prophetic figure who would save the constitution and restore the country..They were not saying it out loud but I think a reasonable person would conclude that if Mitt had won there would have been a blaring trumpet,broadcasting the good news,coming from Utah...It just goes to show you that prophecy depends on the quality of the seer..Actually I think it is a good thing that Mitt lost because the negative backlash against the church would have been tremendous with truths being lain bare that the church has tried to conceal for years..After all,it would not have been just folks just trying to stir the pot but the entire media system..When one is peculiar they stick out..At any rate,getting back to the main question,I do not think even Romney knew what he believed;other than he thought he was destined to be President and would do anything,no matter how nefarious,to obtain that end..

  • Counter Intelligence Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 9, 2012 9:09 a.m.

    Garbage: Obama merely proved that race/gender/class warfare is effective
    which is a sad comment on American culture

  • Roland Kayser Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Nov. 9, 2012 8:37 a.m.

    I've asked this question before, and never really gotten an answer, so here it is again. Name an issue, any issue, on which Mr. Romney has stayed consistent over the years? I honestly can't think off one.

  • RanchHand Huntsville, UT
    Nov. 9, 2012 7:29 a.m.

    His behavior was evident, at least to those of us who don't cotton to the White Horse prophecy.

  • Blue Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 9, 2012 6:32 a.m.

    The Tea Party cost the GOP this election, and it will cost them future elections until Republicans wake up to that fact.

  • Pagan Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 9, 2012 6:02 a.m.

    From the Deseret news...

    Mitt Romney steers clear of Ohio health, union issues By Dan Sewell AP Published by DSNews 10 25 11

    Then...

    Mitt Romney reverses himself, supports anti-union law By Philip Elliott AP Published by DSNews 10 26 11

    FAIRFAX, Va. — A DAY after he refused to endorse an Ohio ballot measure that limits public employee union rights, Republican presidential hopeful Mitt Romney said Wednesday that he is "110 percent" behind the effort.

    Hmmm...

    Zero to One Hundred and ten percent....in just 24 hours.

    Mitt Romney did, indeed say anything to win.

    And he lost.

  • JoeBlow Far East USA, SC
    Nov. 9, 2012 5:59 a.m.

    Yes, Romney showed early on that he could and would take whatever position he thought would help him win.

    The GOP primaries force candidates to take politically untenable positions in order to get the nomination. One must go too far right and appeal to the wing of the party.

    One must
    - be "severely conservative"
    - reject 10 to 1 spending cuts to revenue
    - sign the grover pledge

    And if they do manage to get the nomination, they have a hard hard road to return to the sane middle ground which is where the majority of the country is.

    I do hope that the GOP realizes that the T party positions are not a winning strategy.
    I want a viable GOP to keep the Dems in check. This country runs best when we have 2 reasonable parties that can work together to find a sensible middle ground.

    I fear that the "we lost cause we were not far enough right" crowd will win out.