wrz claimed, "Latinos have infiltrated this country to the extent that they
now can control who gets elected...."No. Only citizens vote.wrz also claimed, "If we had no immigration restrictions we would
have about half the world's population (mostly poor) on our
doorsteps...."No. During the recession beginning in 2008 there
was a net negative migration rate from Mexico to the U.S. Migration flow is
regulated more effectively by economic conditions than by artificial barriers.
Just more hand outs to specific groups using my hard earned money. Not more
people getting off of their fannys and working. Until the southern border is
closed and access is restricted, the immigration situation will never be
settled. We need to start there.
By the way, why is what tax rate someone pays a moral issue that can't be
compromised? If paying a top rate of above the current top rate of 35% is so
horribly immoral now, why wasn't it immoral when the top rates were higher
than that under the hero Reagan? You people have lost all sense of proportion.
Ahhhh...I wondered where that Santa Claus quote started. I keep seeing it
repeated over and over and over and over. I knew one of the tea party gods must
have said it on AM radio or Fox. Sure enough, I learn from Cherilyn E. that it
was Rush. Of course! Now all the dittoheads are parroting him. Have an
original thought some time guys. This one is getting old fast.
This notion that only republicans have values is offensive. I think if you
really took the time to investigate the reasons women, blacks and latinos vote
against the republicans is that the white male thinks they need to control them.
To some degree, the election was about handouts. It was about handouts of
opportunity and that's all the ethnic and gender portion of our nation is
asking for. It's time you stop putting everyone else in a box and telling
them that the only way to do it is the way you do it.
I think many of the posters from the (far) "right" side of the political
spectrum have provided more than enough answers to the question about why
Latinos vote Democrat by more than a 70% margin.
Why should any political party compromise its principles to appeal to anyone?
Everyone who believes in self-responsibility is welcome in the
Republican Party. Everyone who believes that hands were made for
working and not to receive handouts, s welcome in the Republican Party. Everyone who believes that we have a sacred duty to protect the unborn
are welcome in the Republican Party.Skin color doesn't matter.
Country of origin doesn't matter. We chose Mia Love as our candidate.
@Shaun.. you're right. Republicans want handouts too. Orin Hatch basically
campaigned on being able to preserve Hill AFB. Even if the Air Force
doesn't need it- Senator Hatch won't let it go by the wayside. Iowa
corn farmers want a handout in the form of ethanol subsidies even though
environmentalists know it's wrong and thoughtful economists know it's
wrong as it takes more energy to produce a gallon of ethanol than that gallon of
ethanol generates. And it's harmful to engines. It makes no sense but they
want their subsidies to enrich themselves. What drives me crazy is the
antiquated idea of the Republican Party as the party of the rich. I'm not
rich. Bill Gates and Warren Buffet are rich and I'm sure they didn't
vote for any Republicans. The Republican party today is the party of those who
want to become rich and the Democrat party is the party of those who are already
rich and don't want anyone else to get rich. That's a better message.
Latinos have infiltrated this country to the extent that they now can control
who gets elected. What this means in the future is that our border controls
will eventually disappear and the influx of Hispanics from our south will be
unprecedented.Obama made a brilliant campaign move when he gave a
two-year amnesty to a certain class of illegal immigrants six months before the
election. Oh, and he also made another brilliant campaign move when he
announced he was now in favor of gay marriage.@John Huntinghouse:"There is obvious data showing that Latinos have supported GOP
presidents..."But they support Democrats in larger numbers.
Why? Because Democrats are more inclined to support immigration and amnesty.
This is OK except it means unemployed American will have a more difficulty
finding jobs."Individual ought to have the freedom to move from
one country to another without the enormous barrier of entry that our government
has provided."If we had no immigration restrictions we would
have about half the world's population (mostly poor) on our doorsteps.
You'd likely lose your lively hood and property to them. A country with no
border control is no country.
Why do people assume if you vote democrat that you are looking for a handout.
This is why the republicans are losing. Calling people socialist and welfare
bums doesn't help win votes.
There is obvious data showing that Latinos have supported GOP presidents (Bush
had 44%, McCain had 31% and now Romney with 27%). I don't believe in group
rights. I believe in Constitutional rights. Individual ought to have the
freedom to move from one country to another without the enormous barrier of
entry that our government has provided.Our nation's immigration
policies are another perfect example of government trying to find a solution to
a problem it itself created in the first place. All human beings have identical
rights. These rights are all ultimately included in the right to do whateverthey want with what is theirs. What is theirs is defined as all that they
possess that they haven’t stolen from anybody. These universal rights,
obviously, change neither by crossing an arbitrary line called a border, nor by
getting a piece of paper called a passport. This means that A has the right to
trade with B, get married with B, sign contracts with B, send gifts to B, invite
B, hire B, etc., since none of these actions imply an aggression against C. The
respective “citizenships” of A, B, and C therefore shouldn't
This writer is wrong. Voter stats show that the majority of Latinos have never
supported the GOP - even when the nation was more in line with moral principles.
Too many have come here for another American Dream - the dream of a free lunch,
free education, free housing, and now free health care. Rush
Limbaugh nailed it: "It's tough to run against Santa Claus." The Republican Party has always been the party of principle. When
society moves away from enduring principles, it pays the consequences. Those
who want the GOP to compromise its principles can align with the Democratic
Party - the party that panders to the takers of society. This is
not about immigration. It’s about our unprincipled, entitlement-laden,
welfare state that is attracting so many. Why not open our doors to the
billions that would love that new American Dream? Unless we decide
to follow the conservative principle of working for what you get, we will
continue on the road to Greece. Republicans have always welcomed
immigrants who come here to support the conservative principles of self-reliance
that made this nation the freest nation in the world. Sadly, that's not
what we've been getting.
Kent- you might want to go read a post on National Review by Heather MacDonald
about a 2011 poll in California of Hispanic voters by Moore Information. You may
change your thoughts about Hipanics and illegal immigration. It turned out that
Hispanics like other Democrats were primarily interested in handouts that
needless to say someone else would foot the bill for. I am a registered
Republican and I happen to be in favor of more immigration- much more- but you
can't have unrestricted immigration into a welfare state- at some point it
collapses. And if someone can make the argument to me that it benefits this
Nation to allow millions of impoverished people with no marketable job skills
into America then I'm all ears. It worked in the early 1900's because
you had to get a job to survive but now you don't - you can jump right on
the dole. You don't even have to actually come here- they are advertising
for "snap card" benefits in Mexico.
Maverick, in your post at 9:21, you left out another very important group --
White, Anglo-Saxons who are disgusted by extremism.
Why would the GOP want to compromise? They want this country to go down the
tubes so they can win the election in 2016.
Until the GOP purges itself of the nutcakes who currently control the party and
its' propaganda (Rush, Sean, Glen) the GOP will continue to lose the Latino
and African American vote. Sorry!
Do you think there will ever be room in the GOP again for moderates who
don't embrace nut-wing ideologies?
Although the GOP could use the Latino vote, they are going to need more than
that! The conservative movement has moved so far to the right that they are out
of step with the majority of the American public. The conservatives failed to
make a dent in the Senate, and presidency, despite running against one of the
weakest economies in years. People want health care, fair taxation,
clean air, equal pay, access to reproductive care, Social Security, Medicare ,
etc., and all of these seem threatened by the extreme hard right candidates that
the Republicans are fielding.When the GOP runs a slate of moderate
candidates like Jon Huntsman, Democrats, "Look out!" Until then, no
luck for conservatives.
"Why do latinos generally avoid the GOP????" That was a rhetorical
question right? I'd try to explain it to you, but Deseret News would
surely censor my comments about the "accepting nature" of Republicans.
Yes, the Republican only has to make room for Hispanic-Americans,
African-Americans, Asian-Americans and anyone else attracted to a philosophy
that is both inclusive and addresses issues relevant to them.Compaining about America becoming less white and therefore movement
conservatives losing authority does not make for a welcome into the Republican
sphere. As evident in the 2012 presidential election, exclusion of a
significant part of the population and appealing only to the more crass elements
of the extremist wing of the Party will see its influence continue to decline.