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Published: Friday, Nov. 9 2012 12:00 a.m. MST

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Salsa Libre
Provo, UT

The letter writer obviously is speaking only about the presidential election. With Utah being the reddest state in the nation, according to the letter writer, anyone who doesn't vote Republican is wasting their vote which may not be an issue to 74% of Utah voters who consistently vote Republican.

However, there are state-level and local positions requiring a vote. And there are various propositions and other issues requiring a decision by voters. So, except for the presidental election, all others are decided by votes cast by statewide voters. Voters outside of Utah do not vote on Utah-specific offices and/or ballot measures.

Since Utah is relatively small in population, the letter writer might argue that her vote is wasted because other states have much larger populations and these states would dominate the electoral process. It's the old rural versus urban argument. However, this is why each state, regardless of population, each gets two Senate seats. One can see an objection in California for Utah to have the same number of senator it gets, but that is the way it is. But the fact remains that state and local elections still need her vote.

Far East USA, SC

Your votes were not "totally meaningless". They were just easily predicted.

I can assure you that California's electoral votes were not meaningless, but they were a forgone conclusion.

The GOP candidate was assured of Utah's electoral votes long before the polls opened.

The same will hold true in 2016.

Salt Lake City, UT

Lori, didn't you also vote for other candidates on the ballot? Governor, Senator, House of Reps, Dog Catcher, etc.?

Did you also feel like your vote didn't count in 2000 and 2004 when a Republican won the presidency?

If you'd like to work to abolish the Electoral College and elect presidents by popular vote, I'll join you in that effort.

But otherwise... Quit whining.

Salt Lake City, UT

If Utah were evenly divided between R's and D's, it too would be a swing state. Then we could enjoy non-stop blitzkrieg advertising and campaign visits from the candidates, like Ohio. Guess we'll just have to wait for the Latino population to grow some more.

Oakley, UT

The states he won do not have voter ID laws. Military votes were not counted in Ohio. Some people who showed up to vote were told they had already voted. and yes, the writer is correct..some votes don't count.

Salt Lake City, UT

Props to the letter writer for being a poll worker. However, I wonder how much attention she's paid to previous elections. Presidential elections always come down to a few swing states because of the undemocratic nature of the Electoral College. In 2000, George W. Bush lost the popular vote but still became president. Lots of states, Utah among them, reliably vote for a particular party, so there's not a lot of question about who will get our electoral votes.

If people don't want a few swing states to decide elections, then we need to get serious about reforming how we choose presidents and we need to get rid of the Electoral College and go to a national popular vote.

Salt Lake City, Utah

I'm not sure how old the author is, but this is hardly new.

When it comes down to it, though, there is an area where every vote does count - the popular vote. This does not bear a lot of weight, but may become more important in future elections.

Besides which, if you don't vote, you really have no room to complain about the results.

one old man
Ogden, UT

Two words: Electoral College.

Far East USA, SC

"The states he won do not have voter ID laws. Military votes were not counted in Ohio. Some people who showed up to vote were told they had already voted. and yes, the writer is correct..some votes don't count." - Doug

Thanks Doug. Now we know why Romney lost. Are you the "angry white man" that is part of the shrinking GOP base?


Sour grapes.

In CA there are always several propositions to be voted on as well as local, state, and federal legislators.

I would like to know what is wrong with Florida that it takes them days to count votes?

The Real Maverick
Orem, UT

"I no longer believe that every vote counts, and I seriously doubt I will ever vote in a national election again."

And I seriously doubt that you will never vote in a national election again.

Besides, weren't there other votes that counted? Just ask Jim Matheson and Mia Love if every vote counted. I'm sure their opinions would be far different than yours.

Perhaps instead of demonstrating sour grapes you should suggest solutions for why Romney lost swing states?

Brigham City, UT

Oh, boohoo. My candidate didn't win. The candidate from the other sheeple party did. My vote didn't count. oh, boohoo.

Bountiful, UT

I hear this kind of comment a lot and it makes no sense.

The only difference between a swing state and any other state is that the pollsters don’t know who is likely to win in the swing state. But as soon as we know who won in a swing state, the loser’s votes are just as meaningless as anyone else’s who chose the loser.

A popular vote will NOT fix the problem. The pollsters will still tell us who is likely to win the popular vote. If it is a large margin, we will ALL know who is going to win before we vote. Then, by your logic, no one’s vote will count.

The only way to solve the problem is to get rid of these pre-election polls and bar the news channels from predicting winners. We can then all go to the polls with no idea what everybody else is going to do and find out who won when all the votes are counted.

William Gronberg
Payson, UT

Lori, here are two BAD solutions to the problem. Get the USA to do as our totalitarian friends in China do.

1. Have only a few hundred of the political elite vote for the nations leadership. Every vote counts there. If you do not vote for the correct person you may join the millions on the outside of the process or perhaps worse.

2. Have only ONE time zone for the entire nation. China has only one time zone for a nation that is as wide east and west as the “old” 48 states of these United States.

The Real Maverick
Orem, UT

You know what's funny?

12 years ago when Bush won even though the majority of Americans wanted Gore, folks like Lori didn't show any sympathy and cited the "divine foresight" of the Constitution and Electoral College.

Now, all of a sudden, after 2 straight losses, folks like Lori are complaining about their votes not counting.

Where was their concern over this issue in 2000? Had Romney won, would they still be as concerned about their votes not counting? Doubt it.

This is the problem with repubs. Hypocrisy. For example, they demand that cuts be made yet they don't want any cuts to their programs. Utah leaders demand cuts. But have you seen the uproar they cause when anybody threatens to cut federal money to our roads? Or to Hill Air Force Base? They hire lobbyists to keep that cash well a flowing to Utah!

Enjoy the ride Lori. I had to endure 8 years of Bush, your President. And i survived. Pretty sure you can endure 8 years of Obama, my President.

Salt Lake City, UT

File this complaint along with those who felt the need to "take back America"! Question: "From whom were you going to retrieve it?" The only possible answer is that you want to take it back from the majority which would be apparent if you hadn't been telling yourself for the last four years that the 2008 election was a mistake.

Salt Lake City, UT

By the same token, I feel my vote in Utah does not count. I usually vote Democrat and this is the most Republican state in the United States. And the Republican legislature virtually disenfranchises Salt Lake City by dividing it into three congressional districts. However, that does not absolve me from the duty of voting. Narrower margins prevent a party from believing they have a mandate to do whatever they want without compromise.

Provo, UT

I wish the Deseret News wouldn't publish demeaning responses such as the 'boo-hoo' comment made earlier. Demeaning and cynical responses are not respectful of differing opinions.

Woods Cross, UT

I believe the writer understands that state and local elections are important. I trust she knows this. Nor do I think that her point is sour grapes. It comes from a frustration that is valid in the context of the national election. On a side note, it would be nice if those who mocked this person's point would express your thoughts with some civility.

Woods Cross, UT

Sal, that is why I posted my comment. There is not need for comments like that. I expect it, see it, when I go to the Trib, which is rare. I wish it was no so here.

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