I would say you just don't get it, but I see several others beat me to the
punch.If you look at the results of school board races, several races were
50/50. The determining factor was a handful of votes that weren't even
enough to constitue a percentage, tipping the scale one way or another. What we should be more concerned about is how informed people are when
they vote. In good ol' SLC, there was a measure on the ballot for parks and
trails. A nice thought until you take into consideration the fact that real
estate taxes will be raised considerably because of it. Not a time to pass it
when the nation is facing a financial cliff.
I'm disgusted at the hateful remarks of this thread. There are many people
that feel the way the letter writer does. it's simply an observation. Why
MY VOTE DID NOT COUNT yet - I Proudly Voted for Obama Romney's
unethical behavior is even more blatent than the 'The Evils of
Capitalism' that Karl Marx wrote about. The financially successful, pursuit
of profit beyond all else ('The ROOT of all EVIL') - does NOT display
'smarts' so much as GREED. - He does NOT shine a positive light on his
allegedly 'Christian' beliefs - or the LDS Church.Being
'successful' by shuffling money at the expense of honest hard -
working employees, his complete disregard for the TRUTH - (a true
politician/used car salesman - tell them whatever they want to hear, regardless
of facts) is DISGUSTING!
I don't like the electoral college. They don't have a basketball team
and nobody ever graduates.Can we just start counting votes?
In Utah, your votes only count locally. If you vote Democrat, your vote is null
and void because all of Utah's delegate votes will go the the Republican
candidate anyway, and you don't need to bother voting Republican because
your neighbors already did.
The genius of our founding fathers is that they put in mechanisms in our
Constitution to bring forth change as needed. We need to investigate one to get
rid of the electoral college as presently constituted. A proportional electoral
college system may be that solution where each congressional district provides
an elector and the overall state winner gets two (symbolic of the Senate)
electoral votes (the system now favored by both Maine and Nebraska). That would
bring the election to more people than the people of 10-11 swing states. Indeed
our founding fathers felt the electoral college would protect the interests of
the small states. But over time the electoral college is really no longer
serving that function. It elevates the importance of states, big or small,
where the electoral college may be disputed. Divide that up into 435 parts
instead of 51, the election comes closer to the people, still protects the
smaller states but makes candidates pay attention to all of the country.
Where are todays (Saturday) letters???
The US Constitution provided for a balance between small population states and
large ones. This is one of the reasons for the Senate having 2 per state and the
House being divided based on population.The current US Presidential
Electoral System keeps part of that concept so that voters in California, New
York, and a few others do not decide who is elected, ignoring the rest of the
country.The original system was designed to that the electors
nominated two candidates, one not from their state, and unless there was a
candidate nominated by the majority of electors, the voting for president out of
the top 5 nominees was done by the US House of Representatives, one vote per
state. If two candidates received a majority of electors, the House would decide
between just the two. Basically, the loser of the top two became the Vice
President, who would take over if something happened to the President. The
elector college system protected every state from being ignored.While the current system doesn't work as originally intended, there is
still some balance favoring smaller states, just barely enough to encourage
candidates to campaign throughout most of the country
The swing states are the best argument for ending the electoral college. (with
the money we spend on elections, we should at least have an electoral
Imagine if it came down to a popular vote.Gore would have been president
and the disaster in Iraq and the economic disaster of Bush's tax cuts for
the wealthy wouldn't have happened. The US would have avoided the
worst president in history, Bush.
At one level she is right. It appears the amount of Republican voters that
turned out across the country was down, as was Obama's from the 2008
election. But I wonder if it had a lot to do with calling the election early
and people staying home. On the other hand, it is their choice to
do that and when voters stay home they also don't cast vote in state and
local elections in reality have a lot more to do with our daily lives than what
the President does.Mathematically speaking, there is one in a
million or so chance or vote actually matters...it is en masse where it can
count and will likely count more in a local election.
The logic of the person who wrote this letter to the editor isflawed. No
matter what the media says, Its people's votes thatdetermine who will
win any election. If the media reportscontrary to how the voting actually
goes, then the media willbe exposed as having made a bad call.This happened twice that I know of, with presidents Trumanand Bush (the
2nd). Any voter standing in line hearing amedia prediction, needs to keep
this in mind.
I've been voting for well over 30 yrs, as a CA resident for 18. The
national election is often called before all the votes are counted in CA. It is
interesting to look back in time at past elections, the electoral and popular
vote statistics. It does seem we've become more polarized. I think the
rise of right-wing media particularly GOP tv and radio has played a big role in
perpetuating the polarization. In years past most of us were watching/listening
to Walter Cronkite.Should there be a media "blackout" on
election night until all the states have counted their votes? Florida would
have us waiting for days, even weeks. At least in CA we can hear the results
without staying up until the wee hours of the night.
Sal, that is why I posted my comment. There is not need for comments like that.
I expect it, see it, when I go to the Trib, which is rare. I wish it was no so
I believe the writer understands that state and local elections are important. I
trust she knows this. Nor do I think that her point is sour grapes. It comes
from a frustration that is valid in the context of the national election. On a
side note, it would be nice if those who mocked this person's point would
express your thoughts with some civility.
I wish the Deseret News wouldn't publish demeaning responses such as the
'boo-hoo' comment made earlier. Demeaning and cynical responses are
not respectful of differing opinions.
By the same token, I feel my vote in Utah does not count. I usually vote
Democrat and this is the most Republican state in the United States. And the
Republican legislature virtually disenfranchises Salt Lake City by dividing it
into three congressional districts. However, that does not absolve me from the
duty of voting. Narrower margins prevent a party from believing they have a
mandate to do whatever they want without compromise.
File this complaint along with those who felt the need to "take back
America"! Question: "From whom were you going to retrieve it?" The
only possible answer is that you want to take it back from the majority which
would be apparent if you hadn't been telling yourself for the last four
years that the 2008 election was a mistake.
You know what's funny?12 years ago when Bush won even though
the majority of Americans wanted Gore, folks like Lori didn't show any
sympathy and cited the "divine foresight" of the Constitution and
Electoral College.Now, all of a sudden, after 2 straight losses,
folks like Lori are complaining about their votes not counting. Where was their concern over this issue in 2000? Had Romney won, would they
still be as concerned about their votes not counting? Doubt it.This
is the problem with repubs. Hypocrisy. For example, they demand that cuts be
made yet they don't want any cuts to their programs. Utah leaders demand
cuts. But have you seen the uproar they cause when anybody threatens to cut
federal money to our roads? Or to Hill Air Force Base? They hire lobbyists to
keep that cash well a flowing to Utah!Enjoy the ride Lori. I had to
endure 8 years of Bush, your President. And i survived. Pretty sure you can
endure 8 years of Obama, my President.
Lori, here are two BAD solutions to the problem. Get the USA to do as our
totalitarian friends in China do.1. Have only a few hundred of the
political elite vote for the nations leadership. Every vote counts there. If
you do not vote for the correct person you may join the millions on the outside
of the process or perhaps worse.2. Have only ONE time zone for the
entire nation. China has only one time zone for a nation that is as wide east
and west as the “old” 48 states of these United States.
I hear this kind of comment a lot and it makes no sense.The only
difference between a swing state and any other state is that the pollsters
don’t know who is likely to win in the swing state. But as soon as we know
who won in a swing state, the loser’s votes are just as meaningless as
anyone else’s who chose the loser.A popular vote will NOT fix
the problem. The pollsters will still tell us who is likely to win the popular
vote. If it is a large margin, we will ALL know who is going to win before we
vote. Then, by your logic, no one’s vote will count. The only
way to solve the problem is to get rid of these pre-election polls and bar the
news channels from predicting winners. We can then all go to the polls with no
idea what everybody else is going to do and find out who won when all the votes
Oh, boohoo. My candidate didn't win. The candidate from the other sheeple
party did. My vote didn't count. oh, boohoo.
"I no longer believe that every vote counts, and I seriously doubt I will
ever vote in a national election again."And I seriously doubt
that you will never vote in a national election again. Besides,
weren't there other votes that counted? Just ask Jim Matheson and Mia Love
if every vote counted. I'm sure their opinions would be far different than
yours. Perhaps instead of demonstrating sour grapes you should
suggest solutions for why Romney lost swing states?
Sour grapes.In CA there are always several propositions to be voted
on as well as local, state, and federal legislators. I would like
to know what is wrong with Florida that it takes them days to count votes?
"The states he won do not have voter ID laws. Military votes were not
counted in Ohio. Some people who showed up to vote were told they had already
voted. and yes, the writer is correct..some votes don't count." -
DougThanks Doug. Now we know why Romney lost. Are you the
"angry white man" that is part of the shrinking GOP base?
Two words: Electoral College.
I'm not sure how old the author is, but this is hardly new. When it comes down to it, though, there is an area where every vote does count
- the popular vote. This does not bear a lot of weight, but may become more
important in future elections. Besides which, if you don't
vote, you really have no room to complain about the results.
Props to the letter writer for being a poll worker. However, I wonder how much
attention she's paid to previous elections. Presidential elections always
come down to a few swing states because of the undemocratic nature of the
Electoral College. In 2000, George W. Bush lost the popular vote but still
became president. Lots of states, Utah among them, reliably vote for a
particular party, so there's not a lot of question about who will get our
electoral votes. If people don't want a few swing states to
decide elections, then we need to get serious about reforming how we choose
presidents and we need to get rid of the Electoral College and go to a national
The states he won do not have voter ID laws. Military votes were not counted in
Ohio. Some people who showed up to vote were told they had already voted. and
yes, the writer is correct..some votes don't count.
If Utah were evenly divided between R's and D's, it too would be a
swing state. Then we could enjoy non-stop blitzkrieg advertising and campaign
visits from the candidates, like Ohio. Guess we'll just have to wait for
the Latino population to grow some more.
Lori, didn't you also vote for other candidates on the ballot? Governor,
Senator, House of Reps, Dog Catcher, etc.?Did you also feel like
your vote didn't count in 2000 and 2004 when a Republican won the
presidency?If you'd like to work to abolish the Electoral
College and elect presidents by popular vote, I'll join you in that
effort.But otherwise... Quit whining.
Your votes were not "totally meaningless". They were just easily
predicted. I can assure you that California's electoral votes
were not meaningless, but they were a forgone conclusion.The GOP
candidate was assured of Utah's electoral votes long before the polls
opened.The same will hold true in 2016.
The letter writer obviously is speaking only about the presidential election.
With Utah being the reddest state in the nation, according to the letter writer,
anyone who doesn't vote Republican is wasting their vote which may not be
an issue to 74% of Utah voters who consistently vote Republican.However, there are state-level and local positions requiring a vote. And
there are various propositions and other issues requiring a decision by voters.
So, except for the presidental election, all others are decided by votes cast by
statewide voters. Voters outside of Utah do not vote on Utah-specific offices
and/or ballot measures.Since Utah is relatively small in population,
the letter writer might argue that her vote is wasted because other states have
much larger populations and these states would dominate the electoral process.
It's the old rural versus urban argument. However, this is why each state,
regardless of population, each gets two Senate seats. One can see an objection
in California for Utah to have the same number of senator it gets, but that is
the way it is. But the fact remains that state and local elections still need