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Published: Thursday, Nov. 8 2012 7:00 a.m. MST

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TroyTown
Anaheim, CA

Uteology

You've obviously missed the point. How is BYU's record, past or present, meaningful, when it comes to Utah's task at hand?

In order to become bowl eligible, Utah is going to have to beat two PAC 12 teams, Washington(5-4) and Arizona(5-4), both PAC 12 teams with winning records, something Utah hasn't been able to do even once since 2009.

If you're looking for a relevant comparison, however, consider this:

Unlike Utah 2011 getting manhandled 14-31 at home by Washington(7-6), BYU 2010 did manage to beat the Huskies(7-6) at home 23-17, with Jake Heaps and Riley Nelson splitting time in their first ever game in a BYU uniform.

BYU is 4-4 all time versus Washington.
Utah is 0-7 all time versus Washington.

skywalker
Palo Alto, CA

Spokane Ute

"You must have me confused with some one else. I have no idea why you use the "black kettle" reference at me."

The reference wasn't intended for you specifically, it was intended for the dozens of Utah trolls who spam every BYU article with mostly meaningless drivel.

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As for the "road win against a PAC 12 team with a winning record" discussion:

Let's assume that the minimum standard for defining a PAC 12 team as "good" is having a winning record.

Let's also assume that as a member of the PAC 12, Utah will be playing 4 to 6 good PAC 12 teams every year for the foreseeable future.

The fact that Utah hasn't beaten a good PAC 12 team since 2009 should be of some concern to Utah fans who understand that Utah will have to beat Washington(5-4) or Arizona(5-4) in order to become bowl eligible.

Going forward, Utah will have to beat good conference opponents on a regular basis if the Utes are ever going to be anything more than a PAC 12 cellar dweller.

btw, BYU doesn't have another PAC 12 road game scheduled until 2016.

U 90
Corona, CA

Kudos to Uteology and BlueCoug for their research. Especially BluCoug who was willing to share stats that didn't exactly help BYU. He's an honest guy.

So, can we put to rest the argument put forth by some Cougar fans that Utah is somehow inferior because their last win on the road against a PAC 12 school with a winning record was in 1996.... YET BYU's WAS 1983. Keep in mind that Utah also beat Oregon in 1994 in Eugene and the Ducks went on to play in the Rose bowl that year.

StGtoSLC
SALT LAKE CITY, UT

That's pretty funny, Blue Coug. In one breath you say, "If you're looking for a relevant comparison, however, consider this." And then the very next thing you mention is results from two different seasons' games. It sure looks like there is a discrepancy between fanbases on terms like "relevant" and "comparison."

BlueCoug
Orem, UT

StGtoSLC

First of all, I'm not TroyTown.

Secondly, TroyTown's comparison is meaningful in several ways:

Both games were home games, just a year apart, against a Washington team with an identical record.

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U 90

As Skywalker pointed out, it's not just an inferior/superior argument. For Utah, beating good conference teams on a regular basis is essential if the Utes are going to be competitive in the conference. In their first two seasons in the PAC 12, the Utes haven't been able to beat a good conference team, which is why the Utes finished with a losing conference record last season, and are in danger of doing the same this season.

If the Utes can't beat good PAC 12 teams, they obviously have no chance of ever winning the conference championship and the likelihood of Utah not even qualifying for a bowl will be high.

U 90
Corona, CA

TroyTown,

You and other Y fans come on UTE boards throwing around stats in an effort to prove Utah's fate is hopeless and BYU is superior. Examples:

Y fans taunt with the 27-0 road loss to UNLV, but forget that BYU lost at home to UNLV a few years earlier.

You discount Utah's undefeated seasons while on so many levels 2008 was a superior body of work to 1984 as Utah beat the #6, 7, 18 and 25 teams. BYU on the other hand beat zero ranked teams in 84 and their signature win was either Air Force 8-4 or Michigan 6-6, you pick.

A recent example is your mention of Utah's 0-7 record against Washington while BYU is 4-4. Yet next week BYU plays San Jose State and are 3-6 lifetime while Utah is 6-1. Does this somehow prove BYU's fate is hopeless and Utah is superior?

Why are you so concerned about Utah's inability to beat certain PAC12 teams, when BYU has demonstrated they can rarely beat a good BCS team which is essential for an independent program. How's the view from your glass house TT?

Spokane Ute
Spokane, WA

Great stats and informaion from Uteology. Let's be honest, neither Utah or BYU have pulled off a good road win in awhile. I hope that changes tomorrow night; GO UTAH!

Craig Frantz
Spokane, WA

@Skywalker
Thanks for the info. Not being a jerk, just asking; whens the last time BYU beat a BCS team, on the road, with an above .500 record? Both BYU and Utah are over due.

Riddles in the Dark
Olympus Cove, Utah

U90

"Y fans taunt with the 27-0 road loss to UNLV, but forget that BYU lost at home to UNLV a few years earlier."

BYU wasn't SHUT OUT by a 10-loss team a week after throttling UCLA.

"You discount Utah's undefeated seasons while on so many levels 2008 was a superior body of work to 1984 as Utah beat the #6, 7, 18 and 25 teams."

The fact that BYU 1984 wasn't as tested as Utah 2008, in no way proves that BYU 1984 wasn't better.

BYU 1983 and BYU 1984, basically the same team, less Young plus Bosco, had a 24-game winning streak and beat TWO Top 15 teams on the road to finish with back-to-back Top 7 finishes. Take a look at how many players on BYU's 1984 National Championship team ended up playing in the NFL and you'll get a clearer picture of just how good that team really was, despite their mediocre schedule.

BYU hasn't lost to the Spartans since the 60's, unlike the Utes who lost to the Huskies at home last year.

BYU was one play away from beating #3-ranked Notre Dame on the road.

ATiredDude
Sandy, UT

@TroyTown:

"In order to become bowl eligible, Utah is going to have to beat two PAC 12 teams, Washington(5-4) and Arizona(5-4), both PAC 12 teams with winning records, something Utah hasn't been able to do even once since 2009."

That's inaccurate. Utah will have to beat at least one of them, and beat Colorado to become bowl eligible. The Utes could beat AZ/UW and lose to Colorado and still become bowl eligible, but that's less likely.

Uteanymous
Salt Lake City, Utah

U 90

"Why are you so concerned about Utah's inability to beat certain PAC12 teams...?"

Why are Utah fans so defensive about Utah's inability to beat good PAC 12 teams?

Just to set the record straight, BYU is 6-9 all time versus San Jose State, 8 of BYU's 9 losses to San Jose State occurred pre-WAC. During the last half century, BYU is 6-1 versus San Jose State, and BYU hasn't lost to the Spartans since a 21-25 set back at San Jose State on November 30, 1968. In 1967, BYU beat the Spartans 67-8 in Provo.

Dig a little deeper and you'll learn that the differences between the BYU-San Jose State series and the Utah-Washington series are HUGE.

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Craig Frantz

In 2009, BYU beat then #3-ranked Oklahoma in Dallas Cowboys stadium in what could easily be considered as much of a home game for the Sooners as playing the Huskies in Seattle is for Washington - the driving distance from Norman, OK to Dallas, TX is only 189 miles and at least 80 to 85% of the fans in Dallas were Oklahoma fans.

Rockwell
Baltimore, MD

"You and other Y fans come on UTE boards throwing around stats in an effort to prove Utah's fate is hopeless and BYU is superior."

Anything's possible, but based on historical precedence, Utah beating Washington on the road isn't impossible, but it would be an upset, despite what the betting line may say.

Washington has already beaten two arguably much better teams at home, Stanford and Oregon State.

The only chance I see of Utah pulling off the upset is winning the turnover battle by at least +2, or getting a couple of easy scores on kickoff/punt returns.

U 90
Corona, CA

@ Riddles "BYU wasn't SHUT OUT by a 10-loss team a week after throttling UCLA"

Yes, but BYU lost AT HOME to a 5-7 UNLV team. Does this somehow make BYU better than Utah?

@ Riddles "BYU hasn't lost to the Spartans since the 60's, unlike the Utes who lost to the Huskies at home last year."

Before 2011, Utah's last loss to Washington was 1979. Does Utah's 0-6 record vs. Washington between 1931 - 1979 somehow seal Utah's fate in 2012?

@ Riddles "BYU was one play away from beating #3-ranked Notre Dame on the road"

BYU lost to Utah for the 3rd straight year. Does the loss at ND somehow make BYU better than Utah?

Your stats prove nothing other than BYU is just as good/bad as Utah.

phoenix
Gilbert, AZ

U 90

Do you have any idea how incredibly difficult it is to actually LOSE to a 10-loss team?

BYU has only lost to two 10-loss teams in their entire football history.

Kyle has lost to two 10-loss teams in the last 5 years.

It doesn't prove that BYU is better than Utah, but it does prove that Kyle is capable of losing to ANYBODY, while Bronco seldom, if ever, loses to bad teams.

Bronco was undefeated versus Wyoming, Colorado State, New Mexico, and UNLV.
Kyle lost to every one of them at least once; some more than once.

What proves that BYU is better than U is BYU's perennial Top 25 finishes for the last 35 years (18 since 1977) versus only 7 for Utah EVER!

Despite Utah's "dominance" during the 20's, 30's, 40's and 50's, Utah didn't even crack the AP Top 25 until 1994, 58 years after the poll was started in 1936.

U 90
Corona, CA

Uteanymous,

That 2009 Oklahoma team finished the season unranked (you didn't mention that). So Craig Frantz makes a good point that both Utah and BYU are due for big wins. Utah has the upper hand with big-time wins as recently as 2008 (6 Alabama, 7 TCU, 18 Oregon State).

However, you are missing the point again. That is, your stats do not prove BYU superiority, nor will they prove that Utah's football future is more bleak than BYU's. You guys have big problems of your own to figure out like beating ND, Texas, Boise State, Wisconsin etc. When was the last time BYU beat a top 15 program?

So why are you over here again?

U 90
Corona, CA

Phoenix, I'll use your template

Do you have any idea how incredibly difficult it is to beat a team (Alabama) that spent almost the entire year at #1? An Alabama team who's only loss prior to Utah came at the hands of the eventual National Champion.

Bronco has never beaten a top 10 team, Kyle has done it twice.

It doesn't prove that Utah is better than BYU, but it does prove that Bronco is not capable of winning the REALLY BIG games.

Despite BYU's dominance during the 70's and 80's, Utah still holds the all-time edge 55-34.

Like I said, your stats prove nothing that is relevant to this season. Regarding BYU vs. Utah, the only stat that really matters in 2012 is 24-21.

I've hit my quota on posts for the week boys, so I'll see you next week. Try to come to the table with something other than your useless stat merry go round.

reaganyouth
Kirkland, WA

Who are we playing this weekend BYU or Washington? Let's get back on topic and talk about the opponent at hand, not the one that we BEAT earlier this year.....

Solomon Levi
Alpine, UT

U 90

Uteanymous's response was in answer to Craig Frantz's question:

"whens the last time BYU beat a BCS team, on the road, with an above .500 record?"

Nothing in his response even suggested that BYU's win over Oklahoma was on par or more impressive than Utah's win over Alabama.

However, Oklahoma 2009 did finish the season 8-5 with wins over then #12 Oklahoma State(9-4) 27-0 and then #21 Stanford(8-5) 31-27 in the Sun Bowl (sound familiar) and 3 of the first 4 players selected in the 2009 NFL draft were on that Oklahoma team, which proves that Oklahoma was indeed a very good team, better than any team either Utah or BYU has beaten since Utah's Sugar Bowl win.

Why are you so touchy about BYU fans commenting on Utah articles?

Many BYU articles attract more comments from Utah fans than articles about Utah published at the same time. In fact, the articles published this week about BYU scheduling Michigan and Virginia have attracted over 160 comments, at least half of them from Utah fans.

SportsFan
Orem, UT

U 90

"Do you have any idea how incredibly difficult it is to beat a team (Alabama) that spent almost the entire year at #1? An Alabama team who's only loss prior to Utah came at the hands of the eventual National Champion."

Yes, we do.

BYU beat #1-ranked, defending National Champion Miami in 1991. It was the game that launched Ty Detmer's Heisman Trophy winning season. Miami, fyi, finished #3, higher than Alabama, which finished at #6.

It's true, Bronco doesn't have a win over a team that's finished in the Top 10, although he came very close to beating the #3-ranked team a couple of weeks ago at Notre Dame.

It's also true that Bronco has 3 Top 15 finishes, versus only 1 for Kyle, and 5 Top finishes, versus only 3 for Kyle.

BYU holds the edge for the last half century, 29-21, the only period that either team has done anything on a national scale.

The FACTS prove that on a national scale of national rankings and national awards, Utah's accomplishments pale in comparison to BYU's - it's not even close.

Spokane Ute
Spokane, WA

Sports Fan

Let's tell all the FACTS, shall we? When BYU beat Miami it was 1990. It was the first game of the season, at home of couse. When Utah beat Bama it was for the Sugar Bowl trophy, in Bama's back yard. Big difference. You also had to go back over 20 years for that one. Typical!

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