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In our opinion: The GOP needs to be re-embrace an immigration policy to rank better among the minority community

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  • mohokat Ogden, UT
    Nov. 11, 2012 10:46 a.m.

    @Henry Drummond Henry you definetly sound like liberl Californian where it appears the U.S. Taxpayer will have to bail the State out. Full of liberals and welfare recipients. Reagan would surely win the Rep vote but I will guarantee you that JFK could and would not get the Liberal(DEM) vote.

  • mohokat Ogden, UT
    Nov. 11, 2012 9:59 a.m.

    @LDS Liberal Archie Bunker was at least funny. The Gestapo was not and Dems and Liberals remind me of that.

  • Alfred Ogden, UT
    Nov. 10, 2012 10:27 p.m.

    @middle class:

    "I might have voted for Romney if he had coughed up his tax returns for last 8 years. But he was hiding something."

    He coughed up two years of returns. What would 8 years give you that 2 years didn't? Of course, he had money in foreign bank accounts. Had he put his money in American banks it likely would be gone as more than 500 American banks went bankrupt since 2000.

    And how is it that you would have supported Obama even though he refused to produce his college/university papers. What was he hiding? You shoulda demanded the papers. It would have likely shown him to be a foreign student. Then what? That's why he didn't cough them up. He was and is a foreigner. In fact, he told us as much in his book... 'I was born in Kenya and raised in Indonesia and Hawaii.'

    "He reminded me of Nixon in 1973 when we learned Nixon had used every loophole and exemption and paid only a pittance in taxes."

    If tax loopholes are you hang up, your beef should be with the US Congress, not Romney.

  • Mr. Bean Ogden, UT
    Nov. 10, 2012 10:00 p.m.

    @Red:

    "It is amazing that we voted for Obama as a Country."

    It's not that hard to fathom... Here, try these:

    Homosexuals voted for him because he came out in favor of gay marriage... changing his position in the last minute.

    Women voted for him because he favored the killing of the unborn (generally referred to as abortion on demand).

    The Latino community voted for him because he gave a segment of that group two years of amnesty.. with a tacit promise to make it permanent after his election.

    People on food stamps and other welfare give-aways voted for him because he promised more of the same.

    And, of course, Black people voted for him because he is "their kinda folk."

    "I'm still in disbelief."

    Don't be... it's gonna get worse. In order for a Republican to get into the White House he/she will have to hold their nose and adopt much of the same stuff.

  • wrz Ogden, UT
    Nov. 10, 2012 9:56 p.m.

    @Liberal Ted:

    "The Republicans do need to do a better job in getting to the latino voter and explain that our values are more in line, than those of the democrate party.

    That's not the issue with Latinos. The issue, plainly stated, is: comprehensive immigration reform. Which is another way of saying... amnesty for all illegal Latinos in this country and amnesty for the millions more who chose to come here. They will be satisfied with nothing less.

    Obama played the game brilliantly in the last few months of the campaign when he gave a two-year amnesty to a select group of Latinos and promised extensions after the election. This got him the Latino vote. What took the Latino vote away from Romney was his comment that Latinos should deport themselves. A real killer.

    The first rule for politicians is to tell the people what they wanna to hear. Doesn't mean you have to do it when in office. But you gotta promise it. Romney forgot/ignored this fundamental rule. Romney would have the presidency now if he had (1) promised amnesty, (2) supported Roe v. Wade on abortion, (3) supported gay marriage.

  • Alfred Ogden, UT
    Nov. 10, 2012 8:24 p.m.

    @prelax:

    "The implication is that Hispanics are too lazy, won't work, just want things given to them, etc."

    Of course they wanna work. But, the fact is they get alotta free stuff such as free education and free health care that they would not get in their native countries... and that the American taxpayer has to pay for, whether we like it or not.

    "And that they are some 'other' who is trying to 'take our country away' -- "

    They are not trying, they're succeeding. When they can effect the outcome of a presidential election (and they did) you know they've succeeded.

    I like immigrants. But there's a few problems... such as, they take work that Americans should be doing, while the American worker sits home and draws unemployment. We should only accept immigrants to work if there's work for them to do. And we shouldn't bring foreigners here for a college education. They get sheepskins, then go home and compete with us. Not too smart.

    "...as if it's only for Anglo-Saxons I guess."

    It's for anyone who will come here legally and live by our rules and laws.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Nov. 9, 2012 9:09 p.m.

    Yes become like the democrats - the hand out party. If you can't beat em join em. One thing for me was clear after this election - America has changed and America ...much like bankrupt Europe..is in serious trouble. I am reminded of a scene from Star Wars....

    “Our fair Republic has descended into darkness. With the death of the Jedi, a few brave survivors you see, justice has died. With the proclamation of the Empire, in Senator Amidala's own words,So this is how Liberty dies. Amidst thunderous applause.”

    Star Wars (Queen Amidala)

    The last sentence - "so this is how liberty dies...amidst thunderous applause". How fitting this is to the clueless 47% in this country. How scary for the rest of us.

  • 1conservative WEST VALLEY CITY, UT
    Nov. 9, 2012 3:54 p.m.

    Show me an immigration plan that doesn't put those who have waited years and paid thousands of dollars to get here BEHIND those who arrived here illegally and I'll support it.

    Congress can write a "new" immigration policy every week, but it won't help if it doesn't get enforced.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Nov. 9, 2012 3:20 p.m.

    lcg
    Bluffdale, UT

    In other wards, they voted for Santa Claus!

    1:07 p.m. Nov. 9, 2012

    =============

    Ah
    a Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity listener.

    How do I know?
    what psychic powers do I possess?
    How do I do such marvels?

    You parroted them exactly.

  • lcg Bluffdale, UT
    Nov. 9, 2012 1:07 p.m.

    Minorities went for Obama - with 70% of Hispanics saying the reason was for the social net. In other wards, they voted for Santa Claus!

  • Tyler D Meridian, ID
    Nov. 9, 2012 11:26 a.m.

    Reading the tea party posts here (y’all know who you are) you would think we are on the verge of either paradise or total disaster - or at least on our way to becoming a banana republic. I wish all your doom and gloom predictions were on a betting line in Vegas… I could retire tomorrow. But maybe not, since like all “prophecies” that haven’t happened, there always is tomorrow so how can we ever prove them to be the nonsense that they are?

    JoeBlow
    Thanks for stating what I think the majority of us think. When will the parties (well, one party anyway) get in through their heads that we are a nation of moderates who don’t like my-way-or-the-highway extremists.

    Ditto to Wonder and Ernest T Bass

  • Counter Intelligence Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 9, 2012 10:19 a.m.

    "The GOP needs to be re-embrace an immigration policy to rank better among the minority community"

    Huh?

    Is English a foreign language for the D News headline writers?

    Legal immigration is great. Illegal immigration is not.

    The left has opposed credible immigration reform even more then the right (Amnesty and soft boarders, designed to subjugate a permanent Democratic voting dependent class, are no more comprehensive or rational than merely building a fence)

  • Kim Cedar Park, Texas
    Nov. 9, 2012 7:35 a.m.

    Excellent editorial, Deseret News!

  • RRB SLC, UT
    Nov. 9, 2012 3:30 a.m.

    The Deseret news promoting and encouraging law breaking and dishonesty? Paint it how you want, there is already an amnesty, go home and come back legally.

    Millions of Americans have had to uproot their families during this recession. It won't hurt them to do it also.

  • RichardB Murray, UT
    Nov. 9, 2012 2:32 a.m.

    The last nine elections Latino's have voted for Democrats. In 2004 McCain was all for Amnesty, and they voted Democratic.

    Contrary to what the Wall street journal says, they are Democrats by majority.

    I pray for business, the media and government to obey our laws and stop flooding this country with illegal labor. We have 23 million people looking for full time work, and a national media that cares more about work for 12 million people here illegally.

    Guest workers are subsidized labor for business, paid for by the taxpayers. The 2.5 million visas we give out each year make the business responsible.

    Is this really your position?

  • SLars Provo, UT
    Nov. 9, 2012 1:20 a.m.

    Are you saying we need to surrender our borders so Republicans can be elected.

    Illegal immigration is going to tear this country apart. Why have military when we let people steal our land?

  • Henry Drummond San Jose, CA
    Nov. 8, 2012 10:48 p.m.

    I agree with Deseret News on this one. I was a Reagan Republican, but the Party has become so unbelievably Right Wing that he could never get its nomination today. Is it any wonder they have lost the popular vote in four of the last five elections? Is it any wonder that even with the worst economy since the Great Depression, the Democrats managed to win not only the White House but they increased their majority in the Seante and chipped away at the Republican lead in the House? I have many friends in the Tea Party who insist they would rather lose elections than compromise on things like immigration. Well you better get used to losing pilgrims.

  • Ali'ikai 'A'amakualenalena Provo, UT
    Nov. 8, 2012 5:25 p.m.

    Not only Hispanics and African-Americans supported the president in large numbers. Asians voted in even higher numbers (76%) and are the second-fastest growing segment of our society. Republicans have much work to do if they want to effectively court these people. Appeals to old, angry, white men will not work because this is a dwindling demographic.

    Romney won an average of only 47% in the so-called battleground states and lost by a little less than 3 million popular votes overall. The take-away fro this is that the Republican message is not working. The American people are changing and those percentages will only decrease in the coming years if Republicans continue to embrace the reactionary policies of it extremist base.

  • no fit in SG St.George, Utah
    Nov. 8, 2012 2:13 p.m.

    Mitt Romney conceded Florida.
    332 Electoral votes for President Obama.
    Close only counts with hand grenades.

  • procuradorfiscal Tooele, UT
    Nov. 8, 2012 1:23 p.m.

    Re: ". . . GOP needs to be re-embrace an immigration policy . . . ."

    No, it most assuredly does not.

    What all Americans need to do is re-embrace the rule of law, and re-remind America, native and immigrant, why we came here in the first place -- because America is NOT [yet] whatever third-world "teeming shore" we came from.

    If my Mexican, Scandinavian, British, or Irish ancestors wanted to live in Mexico, Denmark, the East End, or Ireland they could have stayed there. But, they came here, instead, because -- at least in the past -- we were a Nation ruled by law, not men.

    If the GOP adopts existing Democrat policy -- "the law doesn't matter, if there's a vote in it for us" -- our Nation will enter the Third World. And, it will be only a matter of time before we have the same problems here that exist throughout the Third World.

    Immigrants can understand that as well as we can. They're not as ignorant, narcissistic, and foolish as liberals hope they are.

  • mohokat Ogden, UT
    Nov. 8, 2012 12:49 p.m.

    @ middle class I suppose you would like us to believe that you do not take advantage of every deduction or loophole you can get. Ya right. And on the subject of hiding something, your( i am sure) hero Barack has made all his records public.NOT!!! He is the biggest mystery of all. You really used a cannard there. Nice try!

  • Ying Fah Provo, UT
    Nov. 8, 2012 12:29 p.m.

    Allison Benedikt writing in 'Slate' with a piece titled "Fox News Failed the GOP" describes a medium guided by an ideological vision which ignores reality in the pursuit of profit and the down-fall of Barack Obama.

    She writes that White House communications director Anita Dunn called Fox News "either the research arm or the communications arm of the Republican Party.” However, in pursuing this end, Fox News spent tens of millions of dollars and thousands of broadcast hours demonizing Obama as "not a real American" and "The Other". It even featured special segments with Donald Trump and his birther nonsense.

    This was particularly evident with the Fox News meltdown Tuesday night. A 2009 article by John Cook in 'Gawker' arguked that Republicans’ worst nightmare—the election of a black, Democratic president who listens to the rap music and gives young, female, and non-white Americans hope—was actually a dream come true for Rupert Murdoch’s money-minting, 24-hour news network. Fox thought it had the Holy Grail.

    Unfortunately, the shift of Fox News to propaganda organ ended up giving Republicans a misguided sense of security wrapped in a blanket of intolerance.

  • Liberal Ted Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 8, 2012 12:28 p.m.

    The sad thing is we are a nation of handouts. We borrow to fund this program. Eventually, just like Europe and the other industrialized nations that dems love to compare ourselves to. We will be brought to our knees just as they have been brought to their knees. Unless we can stop the borrowing and spending frenzie. It won't matter what race or who you voted for. You'll be in the streets protesting against the very government that was voted in, demanding that they borrow more against our future. They'll have you believe that "Rich, White, Old men" are behind everything, even as you look at the dem leadership that is old rich and white themselves with a few token "majorities" in there.

    I'll just refuse to work as anyone else in this country. Live off of the government. Why try and do anything else? If everything you work for will be taken away, then there isn't a point anymore. Either you stop trying or you take up arms to protect and defend it.

  • Salsero Provo, UT
    Nov. 8, 2012 12:10 p.m.

    Liberal Ted Salt Lake City, UT

    " . . . the minority which is a majority voted out of fear from democrats that lie and want a divisive and divided nation."

    You need to change your moniker. And repeating the excuse of Bill O'Rielly for Romney's loss is disengenuous. Utah voted over 74% Romney, the highest split in the nation. The only "majority" group that voted for Obama was women. They are a majority in the nation and they voted primarily for the incumbent president. Other groups gave their support in large numbers, but together they do not make up a majority in the population. Remember, Bill O'Reilly went to a restaurant in Washington, D.C. and was surprised to see African-American patrons eating with knife and fork!! Talk about living in a bubble.

    Also, you have a very distorted view of liberal philosophy. We can only assume that you get your information from places like Fox News, Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, and Glenn Beck. These people earn a lot of money appealing to the "dark side" of our characters with their extreme partisan nonsense.

    When you really think about it, Democrats and Republicans differ primarily in process, not fundamental beliefs.

  • mark Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 8, 2012 12:06 p.m.

    Liberal Ted, you just keep telling yourself that. And if the Republicans Party believes that also. they will lose the House in '14.

  • middle class Cedar City, 00
    Nov. 8, 2012 11:09 a.m.

    I've never voted straight party line. The platforms of both parties have 80% of what I support, but their other 20% I can't swallow. So, I vote for the candidate. I'm registered Republican because here in Utah the real elections occur in the primary.

    Having said that, Joe Blow @6:33 stated my positions almost perfectly.

    I might have voted for Romney if he had coughed up his tax returns for last 8 years. But he was hiding something. He reminded me of Nixon in 1973 when we learned Nixon had used every loophole and exemption and paid only a pittence in taxes. Not really ethical.

  • Happy Valley Heretic Orem, UT
    Nov. 8, 2012 10:27 a.m.

    The Gray Old Party is dieing faster than they can convert young angry white members.

    The truth is the seeds of reaganomics have never bloomed and the stink left over for the middle class can't be hidden under bumper sticker solutions.

  • Ernest T. Bass Bountiful, UT
    Nov. 8, 2012 10:22 a.m.

    @Red: It's because the country doesn't gulp up faux news as if they are correct (faux is wrong on most fronts). The thinking parts of the country see Obama was better than the alternative.
    @Wonder: You are 100% correct. They left no room for moderates, minorities or the middle class.
    @LDS Liberal: 100% correct, as always. They have become Archie Bunker.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Nov. 8, 2012 10:10 a.m.

    I hear Republican and GOP and all I can imagine is --

    Archie Bunker.

    This election just proved it once again.

  • Liberal Ted Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 8, 2012 10:01 a.m.

    The democrats used fear to lure latino and other minorities into their party. They claim the Republicans (as posted by other people here) are a bunch of "angry white males" that "want to put you all back in chains" biden. obama used the phrase "they want to take you back".

    So the minority which is a majority voted out of fear from democrats that lie and want a divisive and divided nation. After all "United we stand, divided we'll fall" which the democrats are trying and are being successful in implementing the divide.

    The Republicans do need to do a better job in getting to the latino voter and explain that our values are more in line, than those of the democrate party. We are family, religious oriented people who care for one another and would like to give everyone the chance to be successful by their own labor. That is a message that will ring well with Latinos and the African American community. We just need to do a better job of explaining and overcoming the hurdles and lies that the democrate party leaders rely on.

  • no fit in SG St.George, Utah
    Nov. 8, 2012 9:20 a.m.

    As the dust settles, and those who "knew" Romney would win the election, come to grips with life again.......
    Several questions about the election of 2012 will be embedded on our minds. Written history will record the possible answers to some of them....
    Was Mitt Romney the ideal Presidential candidate?
    Did Paul Ryan's addition to the ticket lessen Republican's chances at victory?
    Was the vote for Mitt Romney, in many cases, just a vote against President Obama?
    How could Republicans have been so fooled into thinking they had a landslide victory?

  • Wonder Provo, UT
    Nov. 8, 2012 9:09 a.m.

    I was a Republican until they kicked all the moderates out of the party. Now the party is made up of a bunch of tea party fanatics, so-called Christians who worship Ayn Rand and think the poor are worthless and deserve all of their problems, skeptics of science, and xenophobes.

  • Red Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 8, 2012 8:25 a.m.

    It is amazing that we voted for Obama as a Country. I'm still in disbelief.

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    Nov. 8, 2012 8:20 a.m.

    Until the GOP dumps its most extreme ideology, it will not receive a vote from me.

  • mohokat Ogden, UT
    Nov. 8, 2012 8:06 a.m.

    And the solution is? Do like the liberals, grant the illegals amnesty. Give them unfettered welfare benefits. Give them job opportunities in front of Citizens. Give them, Give them. Give them. Oh and lets give Puerto Rico statehood. That would appease them also. You can't beat Santa Claus at gift giving.

  • Twin Lights Louisville, KY
    Nov. 8, 2012 7:27 a.m.

    Agreed. Immigration is an issue that cuts across both parties. A reasonable deal should be able to be made that addresses all points with some degree of rationality.

    Oh yeah. And no party can expect to be taken seriously by independents that toys with the idea of nominating Donald Trump.

  • JoeBlow Far East USA, SC
    Nov. 8, 2012 6:33 a.m.

    The GOP tent is shrinking.

    I consider myself a fiscal conservative and a social moderate.

    My beliefs?
    - Gay marriage does not bother me.
    - We cant kick out illegal immigrants that have cars, houses and businesses and have been here a long time. (didnt Reagan grant amnesty to millions?)
    - Spending is FAR FAR FAR too high
    - Entitlements need an overhaul. Too many people depend on the Govt. Slow and steady reductions are needed.
    - Federal income taxes are at a 60 year low. Raising them to Reagan levels wouldn't kill the country any more than it did under Reagan
    - We need to do something with healthcare. Obamacare? I don't know, but SOMETHING.
    - Religion should be personal and needs to be protected. It does not belong in Schools or Government
    - We should all be allowed to own guns. Tanks? Not so much.
    - Abortion is a personal issue. Work to make it legal and rare.
    - We need to reduce our energy consumption and look for alternative fuels, while safely drilling in this country.
    - Businesses and Banks needs to be free to thrive, but not at the expense of America

    The GOP would love my vote.

    But would never elect me.

  • Mad Hatter Provo, UT
    Nov. 8, 2012 12:50 a.m.

    Actually, Romney lost 3:1. In fact, he lost across the board by significant margins for all ethnicities. He won 89% of the white, male vote, cleaning up with those of this group over 65.

    If the Republican Party wants to broaden it appeal among all demographics, it will have to significantly change many of its basic core policies. It can no longer be the Party of white, male Americans. Ronald Reagan often spoke of the Big Tent. However, in today's Republican Party, Reagan would not be welcome because he is neither extreme enough and he became Center Right in his policies. Grover Norquist would not have him because he raised taxes when it was necessary, and he worked with Tip O'Neill when necessary to do the nation's business.

    Probably the best thing that can happen to the Republican Party is for the wingnut fringe to break away and form a coalition with extremist parties like the Constitution Party and the Libertarian Party. Then it can move back toward the center and re-establish itself based on fundamental conservative principles of fairness, reasonable government, fiscal responsibility, and building a people-friendly institution.