@Henry Drummond Henry you definetly sound like liberl Californian where it
appears the U.S. Taxpayer will have to bail the State out. Full of liberals and
welfare recipients. Reagan would surely win the Rep vote but I will guarantee
you that JFK could and would not get the Liberal(DEM) vote.
@LDS Liberal Archie Bunker was at least funny. The Gestapo was not and Dems and
Liberals remind me of that.
@middle class:"I might have voted for Romney if he had coughed
up his tax returns for last 8 years. But he was hiding something."He coughed up two years of returns. What would 8 years give you that 2 years
didn't? Of course, he had money in foreign bank accounts. Had he put his
money in American banks it likely would be gone as more than 500 American banks
went bankrupt since 2000.And how is it that you would have supported
Obama even though he refused to produce his college/university papers. What was
he hiding? You shoulda demanded the papers. It would have likely shown him to
be a foreign student. Then what? That's why he didn't cough them up.
He was and is a foreigner. In fact, he told us as much in his book... 'I
was born in Kenya and raised in Indonesia and Hawaii.'"He
reminded me of Nixon in 1973 when we learned Nixon had used every loophole and
exemption and paid only a pittance in taxes."If tax loopholes
are you hang up, your beef should be with the US Congress, not Romney.
@Red:"It is amazing that we voted for Obama as a
Country."It's not that hard to fathom... Here, try
these:Homosexuals voted for him because he came out in favor of gay
marriage... changing his position in the last minute.Women voted for
him because he favored the killing of the unborn (generally referred to as
abortion on demand).The Latino community voted for him because he
gave a segment of that group two years of amnesty.. with a tacit promise to make
it permanent after his election.People on food stamps and other
welfare give-aways voted for him because he promised more of the same.And, of course, Black people voted for him because he is "their kinda
folk.""I'm still in disbelief."Don't be... it's gonna get worse. In order for a Republican to get
into the White House he/she will have to hold their nose and adopt much of the
@Liberal Ted:"The Republicans do need to do a better job in
getting to the latino voter and explain that our values are more in line, than
those of the democrate party.That's not the issue with Latinos.
The issue, plainly stated, is: comprehensive immigration reform. Which is
another way of saying... amnesty for all illegal Latinos in this country and
amnesty for the millions more who chose to come here. They will be satisfied
with nothing less.Obama played the game brilliantly in the last few
months of the campaign when he gave a two-year amnesty to a select group of
Latinos and promised extensions after the election. This got him the Latino
vote. What took the Latino vote away from Romney was his comment that Latinos
should deport themselves. A real killer.The first rule for
politicians is to tell the people what they wanna to hear. Doesn't mean
you have to do it when in office. But you gotta promise it. Romney
forgot/ignored this fundamental rule. Romney would have the presidency now if
he had (1) promised amnesty, (2) supported Roe v. Wade on abortion, (3)
supported gay marriage.
@prelax:"The implication is that Hispanics are too lazy,
won't work, just want things given to them, etc."Of course
they wanna work. But, the fact is they get alotta free stuff such as free
education and free health care that they would not get in their native
countries... and that the American taxpayer has to pay for, whether we like it
or not."And that they are some 'other' who is trying
to 'take our country away' -- "They are not trying,
they're succeeding. When they can effect the outcome of a presidential
election (and they did) you know they've succeeded.I like
immigrants. But there's a few problems... such as, they take work that
Americans should be doing, while the American worker sits home and draws
unemployment. We should only accept immigrants to work if there's work for
them to do. And we shouldn't bring foreigners here for a college
education. They get sheepskins, then go home and compete with us. Not too
smart."...as if it's only for Anglo-Saxons I guess."It's for anyone who will come here legally and live by our rules
Yes become like the democrats - the hand out party. If you can't beat em
join em. One thing for me was clear after this election - America has changed
and America ...much like bankrupt Europe..is in serious trouble. I am reminded
of a scene from Star Wars....“Our fair Republic has descended
into darkness. With the death of the Jedi, a few brave survivors you see,
justice has died. With the proclamation of the Empire, in Senator Amidala's
own words,So this is how Liberty dies. Amidst thunderous applause.”
Star Wars (Queen Amidala)The last sentence - "so this is
how liberty dies...amidst thunderous applause". How fitting this is to the
clueless 47% in this country. How scary for the rest of us.
Show me an immigration plan that doesn't put those who have waited years
and paid thousands of dollars to get here BEHIND those who arrived here
illegally and I'll support it.Congress can write a
"new" immigration policy every week, but it won't help if it
doesn't get enforced.
lcgBluffdale, UTIn other wards, they voted for Santa Claus!1:07 p.m. Nov. 9, 2012============= Aha
Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity listener.How do I know? what
psychic powers do I possess?How do I do such marvels?You
parroted them exactly.
Minorities went for Obama - with 70% of Hispanics saying the reason was for the
social net. In other wards, they voted for Santa Claus!
Reading the tea party posts here (y’all know who you are) you would think
we are on the verge of either paradise or total disaster - or at least on our
way to becoming a banana republic. I wish all your doom and gloom predictions
were on a betting line in Vegas… I could retire tomorrow. But maybe not,
since like all “prophecies” that haven’t happened, there
always is tomorrow so how can we ever prove them to be the nonsense that they
are?JoeBlowThanks for stating what I think the majority of us
think. When will the parties (well, one party anyway) get in through their heads
that we are a nation of moderates who don’t like my-way-or-the-highway
extremists. Ditto to Wonder and Ernest T Bass
"The GOP needs to be re-embrace an immigration policy to rank better among
the minority community"Huh?Is English a foreign
language for the D News headline writers?Legal immigration is great.
Illegal immigration is not.The left has opposed credible immigration
reform even more then the right (Amnesty and soft boarders, designed to
subjugate a permanent Democratic voting dependent class, are no more
comprehensive or rational than merely building a fence)
Excellent editorial, Deseret News!
The Deseret news promoting and encouraging law breaking and dishonesty? Paint it
how you want, there is already an amnesty, go home and come back legally. Millions of Americans have had to uproot their families during this
recession. It won't hurt them to do it also.
The last nine elections Latino's have voted for Democrats. In 2004 McCain
was all for Amnesty, and they voted Democratic. Contrary to what the
Wall street journal says, they are Democrats by majority. I pray for
business, the media and government to obey our laws and stop flooding this
country with illegal labor. We have 23 million people looking for full time
work, and a national media that cares more about work for 12 million people here
illegally. Guest workers are subsidized labor for business, paid
for by the taxpayers. The 2.5 million visas we give out each year make the
business responsible. Is this really your position?
Are you saying we need to surrender our borders so Republicans can be elected.
Illegal immigration is going to tear this country apart. Why have
military when we let people steal our land?
I agree with Deseret News on this one. I was a Reagan Republican, but the Party
has become so unbelievably Right Wing that he could never get its nomination
today. Is it any wonder they have lost the popular vote in four of the last five
elections? Is it any wonder that even with the worst economy since the Great
Depression, the Democrats managed to win not only the White House but they
increased their majority in the Seante and chipped away at the Republican lead
in the House? I have many friends in the Tea Party who insist they would rather
lose elections than compromise on things like immigration. Well you better get
used to losing pilgrims.
Not only Hispanics and African-Americans supported the president in large
numbers. Asians voted in even higher numbers (76%) and are the second-fastest
growing segment of our society. Republicans have much work to do if they want
to effectively court these people. Appeals to old, angry, white men will not
work because this is a dwindling demographic.Romney won an average
of only 47% in the so-called battleground states and lost by a little less than
3 million popular votes overall. The take-away fro this is that the Republican
message is not working. The American people are changing and those percentages
will only decrease in the coming years if Republicans continue to embrace the
reactionary policies of it extremist base.
Mitt Romney conceded Florida.332 Electoral votes for President Obama.Close only counts with hand grenades.
Re: ". . . GOP needs to be re-embrace an immigration policy . . . ."No, it most assuredly does not.What all Americans need to do
is re-embrace the rule of law, and re-remind America, native and immigrant, why
we came here in the first place -- because America is NOT [yet] whatever
third-world "teeming shore" we came from.If my Mexican,
Scandinavian, British, or Irish ancestors wanted to live in Mexico, Denmark, the
East End, or Ireland they could have stayed there. But, they came here, instead,
because -- at least in the past -- we were a Nation ruled by law, not men.If the GOP adopts existing Democrat policy -- "the law doesn't
matter, if there's a vote in it for us" -- our Nation will enter the
Third World. And, it will be only a matter of time before we have the same
problems here that exist throughout the Third World.Immigrants can
understand that as well as we can. They're not as ignorant, narcissistic,
and foolish as liberals hope they are.
@ middle class I suppose you would like us to believe that you do not take
advantage of every deduction or loophole you can get. Ya right. And on the
subject of hiding something, your( i am sure) hero Barack has made all his
records public.NOT!!! He is the biggest mystery of all. You really used a
cannard there. Nice try!
Allison Benedikt writing in 'Slate' with a piece titled "Fox News
Failed the GOP" describes a medium guided by an ideological vision which
ignores reality in the pursuit of profit and the down-fall of Barack Obama. She writes that White House communications director Anita Dunn called
Fox News "either the research arm or the communications arm of the
Republican Party.” However, in pursuing this end, Fox News spent tens of
millions of dollars and thousands of broadcast hours demonizing Obama as
"not a real American" and "The Other". It even featured special
segments with Donald Trump and his birther nonsense.This was
particularly evident with the Fox News meltdown Tuesday night. A 2009 article by
John Cook in 'Gawker' arguked that Republicans’ worst
nightmare—the election of a black, Democratic president who listens to the
rap music and gives young, female, and non-white Americans hope—was
actually a dream come true for Rupert Murdoch’s money-minting, 24-hour
news network. Fox thought it had the Holy Grail. Unfortunately, the
shift of Fox News to propaganda organ ended up giving Republicans a misguided
sense of security wrapped in a blanket of intolerance.
The sad thing is we are a nation of handouts. We borrow to fund this program.
Eventually, just like Europe and the other industrialized nations that dems love
to compare ourselves to. We will be brought to our knees just as they have been
brought to their knees. Unless we can stop the borrowing and spending frenzie.
It won't matter what race or who you voted for. You'll be in the
streets protesting against the very government that was voted in, demanding that
they borrow more against our future. They'll have you believe that
"Rich, White, Old men" are behind everything, even as you look at the
dem leadership that is old rich and white themselves with a few token
"majorities" in there.I'll just refuse to work as
anyone else in this country. Live off of the government. Why try and do anything
else? If everything you work for will be taken away, then there isn't a
point anymore. Either you stop trying or you take up arms to protect and defend
Liberal Ted Salt Lake City, UT" . . . the minority which is a
majority voted out of fear from democrats that lie and want a divisive and
divided nation."You need to change your moniker. And repeating
the excuse of Bill O'Rielly for Romney's loss is disengenuous. Utah
voted over 74% Romney, the highest split in the nation. The only
"majority" group that voted for Obama was women. They are a majority in
the nation and they voted primarily for the incumbent president. Other groups
gave their support in large numbers, but together they do not make up a majority
in the population. Remember, Bill O'Reilly went to a restaurant in
Washington, D.C. and was surprised to see African-American patrons eating with
knife and fork!! Talk about living in a bubble.Also, you have a
very distorted view of liberal philosophy. We can only assume that you get your
information from places like Fox News, Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, and Glenn
Beck. These people earn a lot of money appealing to the "dark side" of
our characters with their extreme partisan nonsense.When you really
think about it, Democrats and Republicans differ primarily in process, not
Liberal Ted, you just keep telling yourself that. And if the Republicans Party
believes that also. they will lose the House in '14.
I've never voted straight party line. The platforms of both parties have
80% of what I support, but their other 20% I can't swallow. So, I vote for
the candidate. I'm registered Republican because here in Utah the real
elections occur in the primary.Having said that, Joe Blow @6:33
stated my positions almost perfectly.I might have voted for Romney
if he had coughed up his tax returns for last 8 years. But he was hiding
something. He reminded me of Nixon in 1973 when we learned Nixon had used every
loophole and exemption and paid only a pittence in taxes. Not really ethical.
The Gray Old Party is dieing faster than they can convert young angry white
members.The truth is the seeds of reaganomics have never bloomed and
the stink left over for the middle class can't be hidden under bumper
@Red: It's because the country doesn't gulp up faux news as if they
are correct (faux is wrong on most fronts). The thinking parts of the country
see Obama was better than the alternative.@Wonder: You are 100% correct.
They left no room for moderates, minorities or the middle class. @LDS
Liberal: 100% correct, as always. They have become Archie Bunker.
I hear Republican and GOP and all I can imagine is -- Archie
Bunker.This election just proved it once again.
The democrats used fear to lure latino and other minorities into their party.
They claim the Republicans (as posted by other people here) are a bunch of
"angry white males" that "want to put you all back in chains"
biden. obama used the phrase "they want to take you back".So
the minority which is a majority voted out of fear from democrats that lie and
want a divisive and divided nation. After all "United we stand, divided
we'll fall" which the democrats are trying and are being successful in
implementing the divide.The Republicans do need to do a better job
in getting to the latino voter and explain that our values are more in line,
than those of the democrate party. We are family, religious oriented people who
care for one another and would like to give everyone the chance to be successful
by their own labor. That is a message that will ring well with Latinos and the
African American community. We just need to do a better job of explaining and
overcoming the hurdles and lies that the democrate party leaders rely on.
As the dust settles, and those who "knew" Romney would win the election,
come to grips with life again.......Several questions about the election
of 2012 will be embedded on our minds. Written history will record the possible
answers to some of them....Was Mitt Romney the ideal Presidential
candidate?Did Paul Ryan's addition to the ticket lessen
Republican's chances at victory?Was the vote for Mitt Romney, in many
cases, just a vote against President Obama?How could Republicans have been
so fooled into thinking they had a landslide victory?
I was a Republican until they kicked all the moderates out of the party. Now
the party is made up of a bunch of tea party fanatics, so-called Christians who
worship Ayn Rand and think the poor are worthless and deserve all of their
problems, skeptics of science, and xenophobes.
It is amazing that we voted for Obama as a Country. I'm still in
Until the GOP dumps its most extreme ideology, it will not receive a vote from
And the solution is? Do like the liberals, grant the illegals amnesty. Give them
unfettered welfare benefits. Give them job opportunities in front of Citizens.
Give them, Give them. Give them. Oh and lets give Puerto Rico statehood. That
would appease them also. You can't beat Santa Claus at gift giving.
Agreed. Immigration is an issue that cuts across both parties. A reasonable
deal should be able to be made that addresses all points with some degree of
rationality.Oh yeah. And no party can expect to be taken seriously
by independents that toys with the idea of nominating Donald Trump.
The GOP tent is shrinking.I consider myself a fiscal conservative
and a social moderate.My beliefs?- Gay marriage does not
bother me. - We cant kick out illegal immigrants that have cars, houses
and businesses and have been here a long time. (didnt Reagan grant amnesty to
millions?)- Spending is FAR FAR FAR too high - Entitlements need an
overhaul. Too many people depend on the Govt. Slow and steady reductions are
needed.- Federal income taxes are at a 60 year low. Raising them to
Reagan levels wouldn't kill the country any more than it did under
Reagan- We need to do something with healthcare. Obamacare? I don't
know, but SOMETHING.- Religion should be personal and needs to be
protected. It does not belong in Schools or Government- We should all be
allowed to own guns. Tanks? Not so much.- Abortion is a personal issue.
Work to make it legal and rare.- We need to reduce our energy consumption
and look for alternative fuels, while safely drilling in this country.-
Businesses and Banks needs to be free to thrive, but not at the expense of
AmericaThe GOP would love my vote.But would never elect
Actually, Romney lost 3:1. In fact, he lost across the board by significant
margins for all ethnicities. He won 89% of the white, male vote, cleaning up
with those of this group over 65.If the Republican Party wants to
broaden it appeal among all demographics, it will have to significantly change
many of its basic core policies. It can no longer be the Party of white, male
Americans. Ronald Reagan often spoke of the Big Tent. However, in today's
Republican Party, Reagan would not be welcome because he is neither extreme
enough and he became Center Right in his policies. Grover Norquist would not
have him because he raised taxes when it was necessary, and he worked with Tip
O'Neill when necessary to do the nation's business.Probably the best thing that can happen to the Republican Party is for the
wingnut fringe to break away and form a coalition with extremist parties like
the Constitution Party and the Libertarian Party. Then it can move back toward
the center and re-establish itself based on fundamental conservative principles
of fairness, reasonable government, fiscal responsibility, and building a