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Published: Thursday, Nov. 8 2012 12:00 a.m. MST

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Mad Hatter
Provo, UT

Actually, Romney lost 3:1. In fact, he lost across the board by significant margins for all ethnicities. He won 89% of the white, male vote, cleaning up with those of this group over 65.

If the Republican Party wants to broaden it appeal among all demographics, it will have to significantly change many of its basic core policies. It can no longer be the Party of white, male Americans. Ronald Reagan often spoke of the Big Tent. However, in today's Republican Party, Reagan would not be welcome because he is neither extreme enough and he became Center Right in his policies. Grover Norquist would not have him because he raised taxes when it was necessary, and he worked with Tip O'Neill when necessary to do the nation's business.

Probably the best thing that can happen to the Republican Party is for the wingnut fringe to break away and form a coalition with extremist parties like the Constitution Party and the Libertarian Party. Then it can move back toward the center and re-establish itself based on fundamental conservative principles of fairness, reasonable government, fiscal responsibility, and building a people-friendly institution.

JoeBlow
Far East USA, SC

The GOP tent is shrinking.

I consider myself a fiscal conservative and a social moderate.

My beliefs?
- Gay marriage does not bother me.
- We cant kick out illegal immigrants that have cars, houses and businesses and have been here a long time. (didnt Reagan grant amnesty to millions?)
- Spending is FAR FAR FAR too high
- Entitlements need an overhaul. Too many people depend on the Govt. Slow and steady reductions are needed.
- Federal income taxes are at a 60 year low. Raising them to Reagan levels wouldn't kill the country any more than it did under Reagan
- We need to do something with healthcare. Obamacare? I don't know, but SOMETHING.
- Religion should be personal and needs to be protected. It does not belong in Schools or Government
- We should all be allowed to own guns. Tanks? Not so much.
- Abortion is a personal issue. Work to make it legal and rare.
- We need to reduce our energy consumption and look for alternative fuels, while safely drilling in this country.
- Businesses and Banks needs to be free to thrive, but not at the expense of America

The GOP would love my vote.

But would never elect me.

Twin Lights
Louisville, KY

Agreed. Immigration is an issue that cuts across both parties. A reasonable deal should be able to be made that addresses all points with some degree of rationality.

Oh yeah. And no party can expect to be taken seriously by independents that toys with the idea of nominating Donald Trump.

mohokat
Ogden, UT

And the solution is? Do like the liberals, grant the illegals amnesty. Give them unfettered welfare benefits. Give them job opportunities in front of Citizens. Give them, Give them. Give them. Oh and lets give Puerto Rico statehood. That would appease them also. You can't beat Santa Claus at gift giving.

one old man
Ogden, UT

Until the GOP dumps its most extreme ideology, it will not receive a vote from me.

Red
Salt Lake City, UT

It is amazing that we voted for Obama as a Country. I'm still in disbelief.

Wonder
Provo, UT

I was a Republican until they kicked all the moderates out of the party. Now the party is made up of a bunch of tea party fanatics, so-called Christians who worship Ayn Rand and think the poor are worthless and deserve all of their problems, skeptics of science, and xenophobes.

no fit in SG
St.George, Utah

As the dust settles, and those who "knew" Romney would win the election, come to grips with life again.......
Several questions about the election of 2012 will be embedded on our minds. Written history will record the possible answers to some of them....
Was Mitt Romney the ideal Presidential candidate?
Did Paul Ryan's addition to the ticket lessen Republican's chances at victory?
Was the vote for Mitt Romney, in many cases, just a vote against President Obama?
How could Republicans have been so fooled into thinking they had a landslide victory?

Liberal Ted
Salt Lake City, UT

The democrats used fear to lure latino and other minorities into their party. They claim the Republicans (as posted by other people here) are a bunch of "angry white males" that "want to put you all back in chains" biden. obama used the phrase "they want to take you back".

So the minority which is a majority voted out of fear from democrats that lie and want a divisive and divided nation. After all "United we stand, divided we'll fall" which the democrats are trying and are being successful in implementing the divide.

The Republicans do need to do a better job in getting to the latino voter and explain that our values are more in line, than those of the democrate party. We are family, religious oriented people who care for one another and would like to give everyone the chance to be successful by their own labor. That is a message that will ring well with Latinos and the African American community. We just need to do a better job of explaining and overcoming the hurdles and lies that the democrate party leaders rely on.

LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

I hear Republican and GOP and all I can imagine is --

Archie Bunker.

This election just proved it once again.

Ernest T. Bass
Bountiful, UT

@Red: It's because the country doesn't gulp up faux news as if they are correct (faux is wrong on most fronts). The thinking parts of the country see Obama was better than the alternative.
@Wonder: You are 100% correct. They left no room for moderates, minorities or the middle class.
@LDS Liberal: 100% correct, as always. They have become Archie Bunker.

Happy Valley Heretic
Orem, UT

The Gray Old Party is dieing faster than they can convert young angry white members.

The truth is the seeds of reaganomics have never bloomed and the stink left over for the middle class can't be hidden under bumper sticker solutions.

middle class
Cedar City, 00

I've never voted straight party line. The platforms of both parties have 80% of what I support, but their other 20% I can't swallow. So, I vote for the candidate. I'm registered Republican because here in Utah the real elections occur in the primary.

Having said that, Joe Blow @6:33 stated my positions almost perfectly.

I might have voted for Romney if he had coughed up his tax returns for last 8 years. But he was hiding something. He reminded me of Nixon in 1973 when we learned Nixon had used every loophole and exemption and paid only a pittence in taxes. Not really ethical.

mark
Salt Lake City, UT

Liberal Ted, you just keep telling yourself that. And if the Republicans Party believes that also. they will lose the House in '14.

Salsero
Provo, UT

Liberal Ted Salt Lake City, UT

" . . . the minority which is a majority voted out of fear from democrats that lie and want a divisive and divided nation."

You need to change your moniker. And repeating the excuse of Bill O'Rielly for Romney's loss is disengenuous. Utah voted over 74% Romney, the highest split in the nation. The only "majority" group that voted for Obama was women. They are a majority in the nation and they voted primarily for the incumbent president. Other groups gave their support in large numbers, but together they do not make up a majority in the population. Remember, Bill O'Reilly went to a restaurant in Washington, D.C. and was surprised to see African-American patrons eating with knife and fork!! Talk about living in a bubble.

Also, you have a very distorted view of liberal philosophy. We can only assume that you get your information from places like Fox News, Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, and Glenn Beck. These people earn a lot of money appealing to the "dark side" of our characters with their extreme partisan nonsense.

When you really think about it, Democrats and Republicans differ primarily in process, not fundamental beliefs.

Liberal Ted
Salt Lake City, UT

The sad thing is we are a nation of handouts. We borrow to fund this program. Eventually, just like Europe and the other industrialized nations that dems love to compare ourselves to. We will be brought to our knees just as they have been brought to their knees. Unless we can stop the borrowing and spending frenzie. It won't matter what race or who you voted for. You'll be in the streets protesting against the very government that was voted in, demanding that they borrow more against our future. They'll have you believe that "Rich, White, Old men" are behind everything, even as you look at the dem leadership that is old rich and white themselves with a few token "majorities" in there.

I'll just refuse to work as anyone else in this country. Live off of the government. Why try and do anything else? If everything you work for will be taken away, then there isn't a point anymore. Either you stop trying or you take up arms to protect and defend it.

Ying Fah
Provo, UT

Allison Benedikt writing in 'Slate' with a piece titled "Fox News Failed the GOP" describes a medium guided by an ideological vision which ignores reality in the pursuit of profit and the down-fall of Barack Obama.

She writes that White House communications director Anita Dunn called Fox News "either the research arm or the communications arm of the Republican Party.” However, in pursuing this end, Fox News spent tens of millions of dollars and thousands of broadcast hours demonizing Obama as "not a real American" and "The Other". It even featured special segments with Donald Trump and his birther nonsense.

This was particularly evident with the Fox News meltdown Tuesday night. A 2009 article by John Cook in 'Gawker' arguked that Republicans’ worst nightmare—the election of a black, Democratic president who listens to the rap music and gives young, female, and non-white Americans hope—was actually a dream come true for Rupert Murdoch’s money-minting, 24-hour news network. Fox thought it had the Holy Grail.

Unfortunately, the shift of Fox News to propaganda organ ended up giving Republicans a misguided sense of security wrapped in a blanket of intolerance.

mohokat
Ogden, UT

@ middle class I suppose you would like us to believe that you do not take advantage of every deduction or loophole you can get. Ya right. And on the subject of hiding something, your( i am sure) hero Barack has made all his records public.NOT!!! He is the biggest mystery of all. You really used a cannard there. Nice try!

procuradorfiscal
Tooele, UT

Re: ". . . GOP needs to be re-embrace an immigration policy . . . ."

No, it most assuredly does not.

What all Americans need to do is re-embrace the rule of law, and re-remind America, native and immigrant, why we came here in the first place -- because America is NOT [yet] whatever third-world "teeming shore" we came from.

If my Mexican, Scandinavian, British, or Irish ancestors wanted to live in Mexico, Denmark, the East End, or Ireland they could have stayed there. But, they came here, instead, because -- at least in the past -- we were a Nation ruled by law, not men.

If the GOP adopts existing Democrat policy -- "the law doesn't matter, if there's a vote in it for us" -- our Nation will enter the Third World. And, it will be only a matter of time before we have the same problems here that exist throughout the Third World.

Immigrants can understand that as well as we can. They're not as ignorant, narcissistic, and foolish as liberals hope they are.

no fit in SG
St.George, Utah

Mitt Romney conceded Florida.
332 Electoral votes for President Obama.
Close only counts with hand grenades.

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