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Published: Thursday, Nov. 8 2012 7:00 a.m. MST

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Naval Vet
Philadelphia, PA

Uteanymous:

"So you think Michigan(3-9), Oregon(7-6), Stanford(1-11), USC(8-5), Oregon State(3-9), Washington(0-12), UCLA(4-8) and Arizona State(4-8) with a combined record of 30-68 is an impressive schedule???"

Wow! What a desperate reach. I gave you a 5-yr window for the Cavaliers because 5-yrs is the length most football players associate with their respective school, and you come back with some cherry-picked data and think you've made a point? Silly frantic and emotional coug. Let's look at the comparative data -- apples to apples, so to speak:

2008-2012 per team record(s):

Wash: 24-35 (.407)
ASU: 26-32 (.448)
UCLA: 28-32 (.467)
Mich: 32-27 (.542)
OSU: 32-26 (.552)
Stan: 43-17 (.717)
USC: 45-15 (.750)
Ore: 53-9 (.855)
Total: 283-193 (.595)

Meawhile...bringing up the rear...

UVA: 23-35 (.397)

Even in terms of the most recent season -- 2012 -- UVA's 3-6 record is worse than 2012's Washington and Ariz. St. (5-4). All across the board, UVA has NOT been a good team. Case closed.

sammyg
Springville, UT

BYU fan imposter

"Apparently you don't understand anything about flagship academics in the PAC 12. Four of their schools are ranked in the top 20 universities in the world."

I know not one BYU fan that would be even remotely concerned of flagship academics in the PAC12 and why should they? Who would care except a lesser academic program seeking some advantage by association in the same conference. Sounds vaguely familiar to me?

Why would a 'BYU fan' be complaining about schedule changes and dropping a lowly WSU and playing Virginia.

You're not a BYU fan. LOL

Res Novae
Ashburn, VA

Lots of snark about the quality of WAC opponents. Funny coming from fans of the team that actually LOST to a WAC team this year.

sammyg
Springville, UT

gonefishn

In the absence of getting even close to a string of rankings of the sorts that BYU has achieved over the years it is understandable that you would pull the 'final score' card for your precious Utes. BYU fans understand Ute inferiority complex fairly well by now.

But when it comes to media attention, national recognition, please accept the standard norm of Coach's Poll, AP Polls, etc. and national awards for personal player performance in which BYU has several.

Get this into your head... outside of Utah no one cares about head to head as was well proven in BYU's higher ranking than Utah's after the blowout game. Read it and weep.

Jealous U.

gonefishn
Salt Lake City, UT

@sammyg
Only in BYU land is the final score not the most important stat in football.

Marked it Down
Park City, UT

Naval Vet

LOL at your spin!

The WHOLE point is neither you nor anyone else on the planet knows how good a particular team is going to be in any particular year in the future.

Average record over any particular period is MEANINGLESS!

For example:

Auburn 2010 - UNDEFEATED, 13-0 National Champions
Auburn 2011 - 8-5
Auburn 2012 - 3-8 (giving the Tigers the benefit of the doubt that they'll beat Alabama A&M)

If this were 2008 and Auburn was on your future 2012 schedule, would you consider Auburn to be:

A. an outstanding team
B. a mediocre team
C. a lousy team

Try answering the question without any spin or explanation and you'll finally understand why it's IMPOSSIBLE to judge the strength of any future schedule with any degree of accuracy.

Rockwell
Baltimore, MD

Naval Vet

You just don't get it, do you?

It doesn't matter how good a team was, is, or is going to be in the future, the ONLY thing that matters in evaluating an opponent is how good that team is in the season you play them.

Every team is capable of having a break out season that is completely out of the norm.

and

Every team is capable of tanking a season.

Do you honestly think you're so clever that you can accurately predict which teams will have break out seasons, which teams will hit their norm, and which teams will tank?

If you really think that, you should quit your day job, move to Vegas, and become a bookie, because you'll be the most sought after odds maker on the planet.

Otherwise, quit boring us with your lame "evaluations" of future schedules that are based on nothing but your own personal biases.

Rockwell
Baltimore, MD

gonefishn

"Only in BYU land is the final score not the most important stat in football."

Colorado 17
Utah 14

Only in delusional Utah land would fans try to argue that Colorado(3-10) was better than Utah(8-5) based solely on "the most important stat in football."

NightOwlAmerica
SALEM, OR

It's freak out time in Provo!
Looks like some of you are worried about the Idaho game. Just look at your unreal posts!

LOL!

TroyTown
Anaheim, CA

upinthenight

What a clever, well thought out retort...

NOT!

If I were you, I'd be more worried about Utah's bowl elimination game in Seattle.

#utesnation
Centerville, UT

Whatever you guys need to do to try and bring downt he Utes... I will be the first to say it has been a frustrating year for the Utes... but don't try and say you're better/ have a better schedule/ have been better in the past/ and will be better in the future... when it comes down to Utah and BYU, Utah is simply better. 3 peat/ 8 of 11.. that's all we have to say... and we're in a conference

panamadesnews
Lindon, UT

To Rockwell and gone fishin: Colorado was better than Utah on the day they won 17 - 14. Utah's final season win loss record of 8 - 5 indicates Utah is the better team overall. As fans argue who is the better team by using all of the prior statistics you see all over this board, one can only conclude which team is better for a particular year by comparing their respective won/loss records for that particular year. Any other way is purely speculative.

phoenix
Gilbert, AZ

panamadesnews

"To Rockwell and gone fishin: Colorado was better than Utah on the day they won 17 - 14. Utah's final season win loss record of 8 - 5 indicates Utah is the better team overall."

Or to put it another way: Utah was better than BYU on the day they won 54-10. BYU's final season won-loss record of 10-3 and Top 25 ranking indicates that BYU was the better team overall.

Naval Vet
Philadelphia, PA

Rockwell

"Do you honestly think you're so clever that you can accurately predict which teams will have break out seasons, which teams will hit their norm, and which teams will tank?...If you really think that, you should quit your day job, move to Vegas, and become a bookie, because you'll be the most sought after odds maker on the planet."

Actually Rockwell, I DO think I'm clever enough to make broad predictions as to future performance. Afterall, it's what I do for a living. I'm not a Vegas bookie. I'm an east coast investment banker. Nobody is 100% in my line of business, but, like Vegas bookies, our performance ranks better than average; enough so as to make a decent living doing so. I provided you with a large enough sample to conclude the odds of UVa posting a winning record in 2013 is close to 1 in 5.

Two For Flinching
Salt Lake City, UT

Phoenix

Not necessarily because BYU's wins all came on the backs of poor teams. Utah played a much more competitive schedule.

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