PhoenixNot necessarily because BYU's wins all came on the backs
of poor teams. Utah played a much more competitive schedule.
Rockwell"Do you honestly think you're so clever that you
can accurately predict which teams will have break out seasons, which teams will
hit their norm, and which teams will tank?...If you really think that, you
should quit your day job, move to Vegas, and become a bookie, because
you'll be the most sought after odds maker on the planet."Actually Rockwell, I DO think I'm clever enough to make broad predictions
as to future performance. Afterall, it's what I do for a living. I'm
not a Vegas bookie. I'm an east coast investment banker. Nobody is 100%
in my line of business, but, like Vegas bookies, our performance ranks better
than average; enough so as to make a decent living doing so. I provided you
with a large enough sample to conclude the odds of UVa posting a winning record
in 2013 is close to 1 in 5.
panamadesnews"To Rockwell and gone fishin: Colorado was better
than Utah on the day they won 17 - 14. Utah's final season win loss record
of 8 - 5 indicates Utah is the better team overall."Or to put it
another way: Utah was better than BYU on the day they won 54-10. BYU's
final season won-loss record of 10-3 and Top 25 ranking indicates that BYU was
the better team overall.
To Rockwell and gone fishin: Colorado was better than Utah on the day they won
17 - 14. Utah's final season win loss record of 8 - 5 indicates Utah is
the better team overall. As fans argue who is the better team by using all of
the prior statistics you see all over this board, one can only conclude which
team is better for a particular year by comparing their respective won/loss
records for that particular year. Any other way is purely speculative.
Whatever you guys need to do to try and bring downt he Utes... I will be the
first to say it has been a frustrating year for the Utes... but don't try
and say you're better/ have a better schedule/ have been better in the
past/ and will be better in the future... when it comes down to Utah and BYU,
Utah is simply better. 3 peat/ 8 of 11.. that's all we have to say... and
we're in a conference
upinthenightWhat a clever, well thought out retort...NOT!If I were you, I'd be more worried about Utah's bowl
elimination game in Seattle.
It's freak out time in Provo!Looks like some of you are worried about
the Idaho game. Just look at your unreal posts!LOL!
gonefishn"Only in BYU land is the final score not the most
important stat in football."Colorado 17Utah 14Only in delusional Utah land would fans try to argue that Colorado(3-10) was
better than Utah(8-5) based solely on "the most important stat in
Naval VetYou just don't get it, do you?It
doesn't matter how good a team was, is, or is going to be in the future,
the ONLY thing that matters in evaluating an opponent is how good that team is
in the season you play them.Every team is capable of having a break
out season that is completely out of the norm.andEvery
team is capable of tanking a season.Do you honestly think
you're so clever that you can accurately predict which teams will have
break out seasons, which teams will hit their norm, and which teams will
tank?If you really think that, you should quit your day job, move to
Vegas, and become a bookie, because you'll be the most sought after odds
maker on the planet.Otherwise, quit boring us with your lame
"evaluations" of future schedules that are based on nothing but your own
Naval VetLOL at your spin!The WHOLE point is neither you
nor anyone else on the planet knows how good a particular team is going to be in
any particular year in the future.Average record over any particular
period is MEANINGLESS!For example:Auburn 2010 -
UNDEFEATED, 13-0 National ChampionsAuburn 2011 - 8-5Auburn 2012 -
3-8 (giving the Tigers the benefit of the doubt that they'll beat Alabama
A&M)If this were 2008 and Auburn was on your future 2012
schedule, would you consider Auburn to be:A. an outstanding teamB. a mediocre teamC. a lousy teamTry answering the question
without any spin or explanation and you'll finally understand why it's
IMPOSSIBLE to judge the strength of any future schedule with any degree of
@sammygOnly in BYU land is the final score not the most important stat in
gonefishnIn the absence of getting even close to a string of
rankings of the sorts that BYU has achieved over the years it is understandable
that you would pull the 'final score' card for your precious Utes. BYU
fans understand Ute inferiority complex fairly well by now.But when
it comes to media attention, national recognition, please accept the standard
norm of Coach's Poll, AP Polls, etc. and national awards for personal
player performance in which BYU has several.Get this into your
head... outside of Utah no one cares about head to head as was well proven in
BYU's higher ranking than Utah's after the blowout game. Read it and
Lots of snark about the quality of WAC opponents. Funny coming from fans of the
team that actually LOST to a WAC team this year.
BYU fan imposter"Apparently you don't understand anything
about flagship academics in the PAC 12. Four of their schools are ranked in the
top 20 universities in the world."I know not one BYU fan that
would be even remotely concerned of flagship academics in the PAC12 and why
should they? Who would care except a lesser academic program seeking some
advantage by association in the same conference. Sounds vaguely familiar to
me?Why would a 'BYU fan' be complaining about schedule
changes and dropping a lowly WSU and playing Virginia.You're
not a BYU fan. LOL
Uteanymous:"So you think Michigan(3-9), Oregon(7-6),
Stanford(1-11), USC(8-5), Oregon State(3-9), Washington(0-12), UCLA(4-8) and
Arizona State(4-8) with a combined record of 30-68 is an impressive
schedule???"Wow! What a desperate reach. I gave you a 5-yr
window for the Cavaliers because 5-yrs is the length most football players
associate with their respective school, and you come back with some
cherry-picked data and think you've made a point? Silly frantic and
emotional coug. Let's look at the comparative data -- apples to apples, so
to speak:2008-2012 per team record(s):Wash: 24-35
(.407)ASU: 26-32 (.448)UCLA: 28-32 (.467)Mich: 32-27
(.542)OSU: 32-26 (.552)Stan: 43-17 (.717)USC: 45-15
(.750)Ore: 53-9 (.855)Total: 283-193 (.595)Meawhile...bringing up the rear...UVA: 23-35 (.397)Even in terms of the most recent season -- 2012 -- UVA's 3-6 record is
worse than 2012's Washington and Ariz. St. (5-4). All across the board,
UVA has NOT been a good team. Case closed.
@ Rockwell"BYU has dominated U recently and throughout history using
the only measuring stick that really matters - National Rankings."I do
not know if you have ever watched a football game or not but typically the only
stat that matters is the final score.I also thought is was a nice touch
you did not put down the head to head record Bronko vs. Kyle.
Still need another home game to make 6 home and 6 away games. If BYU elects to
go to 13 games (Hawaii Rule) then they will need 2 more games, hopefully an
additional home game. I think BYU would go to 7 away games only if the
additional away game were the caliber of game that you wouldn't want to
turn down and would help your season in a positive way. However, that said, the
schedule is tough enough that BYU may elect to stay with the 12 games. Anxious
to find out what the additional game(s) is (are). If, by a miracle, BYU can run
the table next year, watch out BCS. Even if they have one or two losses, it
will be a great season. The toughtest game may be Notre Dame, and BYU came
within a hair (a mis-communication on the pass play in the 4th quarter), of
winning the Notre Dame game this year. All of the scheduled games are winable.
Wiscougarfan:"Why compare BYU's TBD 2015 schedule to
Utah's 2013, 2014?"Because those were the only 2 years we
scheduled Michigan and DIDN'T schedule the Indy-WACers. Y fans are trying
to claim they schedule tough opponents AND Michigan, and insinuating Utah will
not. I proved that Utah WILL Michigan AND a tough opponent, while the Y will
play Michigan and only 2. Try to follow the dialogue.
lrsmith2377"You mean the Idaho BYU plays Saturday, and the New
Mexico State BYU plays in late November?"Precisely, since neither of those teams will be on BYU's future schedules, they
should be available to pad the early season records of teams like Utah who
aren't concerned about qualifying for the playoffs.
gonefishn"You have to love the Y fans bagging on the U, a team
that has dominated the Y recently."Gotta luv the crimson colored
shades through which Utah fans view the world. Haven't you learned by now
that one game does not a season make?Recently, during the
Bronco/Kyle eraTop 25 FinishesBYU 5Utah 3Top
15 FinishesBYU 3Utah 110+ Win SeasonsBYU 5Utah 3Conference ChampionshipsBYU 2Utah 1BYU has dominated U recently and throughout history using the only measuring
stick that really matters - National Rankings.Top 25 Finishes since
BYU went Independent and Utah joined the PACBYU 1Utah 0btw, in the final year of WAC footballUtah - 0-1 in the WAC
CougFaninTXYou mean the Idaho BYU plays Saturday, and the New Mexico State
BYU plays in late November?
roadkill possumActually, it does matter who Utah schedules, that is,
IF Hill ever hopes to see the Utes in the playoffs.Then again, maybe
he's throwing in the towel on the playoffs, just like threw in the towel on
Utah's NCAA tournament chances, hoping that the cosmetic improvement in
won-loss record will fool Utah fans into thinking that the Utes are actually
competitive and relevant.
WacPaddled by USU"Meanwhile BYU is chicken feed for everyone
else..."Said the fan of the team that's tied for 8th place
in its conference. LOL
No conference championships for UApparently you don't
understand that PAC stands for Pacific ATHLETIC Conference. Believe
or not, there are hundreds of very prestigious world universities that
don't even have a football team.If you were actually a BYU fan,
instead of a pathetic pretender, you'd know that the only reason BYU
isn't ranked higher in research, is because BYU's governing board has
chosen to concentrate more on undergraduate studies. BYU does do some
exceptional research and its research is ranked at the same level as some of the
Big 12 South schools that Larry Scott desperately tried to entice into merging
with the PAC 12.
No Conference-Yes, and Utah is not one of those top 20. Don't try to
ride the glory of Cal, Stanford and UCLA. Utah could win the conference every
year and still not rise from 251 and be in the top 20 universities.
Navel Vet,You lose up to 7.
Navel Vet"Montana State was scheduled at the last minute due to
the Big 12's Iowa State cancelling their scheduled return game to RES. You
knew that. Your disingenuity only exposes your soul-crushing envy and
desperation."Your own disingenuity is laughable.You
whine about Montana State being a last minute fill in for Utah, yet have the
audacity to mock Holmoe for filling holes in BYU's 2011 and 2012 with WAC
teams.The only soul-crushing desperation I see here is a BYU-hater
clinging to the hope that Utah's supposedly "superior" future
schedules will remain superior, although that's becoming less and less
apparent.What really bothers you is that Hill exposed himself by
running away from BYU in 2014 and 2015, proving that he doesn't think the
Utes will be contenders for the playoffs. While other power conference teams are
strengthening their OOC schedules, Hill chose to continue scheduling D1-AA teams
instead, to give the Utes a chance to be bowl eligible.
You have to love the Y fans bagging on the U, a team that has dominated the Y
recently. Every mocking comment toward the U just makes the Y look worse,
don't you get that?@ cougfaninTXYour assertion is a
little off base. The acc, big ten and others only have 8 conference games so
they have room for BYU. If the Pac 12 goes to 8 games rather than 9 the game
with the U would be played every year. If that does not happen it will not be
consitant. Congratualations on being slightly better than a cupcake.
I can't believe that fellow BYU fans keep dragging out the same roadkill
possum about scheduling. Please stop and move on. It does not matter who we
schedule, if we don't win it means nothing. BYU is on a merry-go-round.
Teams are backing out and we are having to reschedule. Does that sound stable to
you? Absolutely not. It would be better if we are in a conference, with less
hassle to schedule non conference teams.And for your information
Notre Dame is dictating its own schedule as a part ACC member. They are the ones
canceling agreements, not the other way around. So stop pretending we are on
their level, we are not.And I can't believe the drivel spewed
by phoenix. Apparently you don't understand anything about flagship
academics in the PAC 12. Four of their schools are ranked in the top 20
universities in the world.
Naval VetSo you think Michigan(3-9), Oregon(7-6), Stanford(1-11),
USC(8-5), Oregon State(3-9), Washington(0-12), UCLA(4-8) and Arizona State(4-8)
with a combined record of 30-68 is an impressive schedule???LOL!Those are actual records that each of each of those teams has posted
within the last 6 years.The point is, comparing future schedules is
an exercise in utter futility. Sure you can assume that Michigan is going to be
better than Cincinnati, but where's your PROOF that will actually be the
case.To claim that any future Utah schedule is VASTLY SUPERIOR to
any future BYU schedule is simply blowing hot air - you have absolutely NO PROOF
other than your own biased opinion.Bottom line: Comparing schedules
for next season is difficult enough; comparing future schedules for different
seasons is absolutely meaningless. A team that is the belle of the ball in 2013
could be dog meat by 2014, and visa versa.
People are lining up to play us.
Troy06Give it a rest!Bronco never even hinted that
he's thinking of leaving anytime soon - 100 more games is EIGHT years away.
It's doubtful that Andy Reid would have any interest in coaching at the
collegiate level, they're two entirely different worlds, so you can put
away that pipe dream.
Naval Vet"UVA is a phenomenal academic institution, but they
don't necessarily play good football. They are one loss away from their 4th
losing season in the last 5 years."Translation, Virginia's
play during the last 5 years mirrors that of most of the teams in the bottom
half of the PAC 12.Of course, you intentionally ignored the fact
that Virginia finished 8-5 last season (sound familiar), with wins over Georgia
Tech (hmmm), Miami, and Florida State - would you consider that good or
mediocre?As with any opponent, nobody knows for sure how good that
team is going to be when you finally get around to playing them - see Utah 2004
versus Utah 2005.
and the justification for NOCO this season? Always looking for excuses.... Ute
fans = democrats of college sports.
RE: Naval Vet"Finally, apart from Michigan in 2015, the Y is
scheduled to play Nebraska, BSU, USU, So. Miss., Cincy, and Hawai'i. So who
are the "several other very difficult opponents"? Because I see only
Nebraska and BSU. Utah's 2013 and 2014 schedules see Michigan, Oregon,
Stanford, and USC, plus rising programs such as Oregon St, Washington, UCLA, and
ASU. So really...no comparison. You have only 3 difficult games. We have up to
7."Nice try. Why compare BYU's TBD 2015 schedule to
Utah's 2013, 2014? We can do the same thing the other direction...
BYU's 2012 and 2013 schedule (OSU, TX, BSUx2, Wis, NDx2) is vasty superior
to Utah's 2010 schedule (BYU, TCU, BSU). If you want to make a comparison
trying keeping the years the same.
C'mon Bronco. If you're tired of enforcing the honor code and losing
the big games do everyone a favor and leave now. Your hints about leaving
aren't helping the program. Hit the road so we can bring in a big time
coach like Andy Reid!
upinthenight"Utah & Colorado are part of the PAC 12 for more
than just sports."Don't kid yourself. The PAC is an
ATHLETIC conference. It's entire purpose for existing is sports.The ONLY reason Colorado and Utah are part of the PAC 12 is because the PAC 12
desperately needed two teams to play a conference FOTTBALL championship game
after the PAC 12-Big 12 South merger fell through. Research and cultural fit
were only secondary considerations used to exclude particular schools that some
PAC 12 schools objected to associating with.
WAC man:Montana State was scheduled at the last minute due to the
Big 12's Iowa State cancelling their scheduled return game to RES. You
knew that. Your disingenuity only exposes your soul-crushing envy and
desperation. So sad.Additionally, Utah did NOT run away from the
little brother who lost 3 in a row to us, and 8 of the last 11. The Y had never
been scheduled for 2014 and 2015. Michigan was just a more interesting
opponent. And it's a Home-&-Home. Too bad you couldn't pull off
something like that. Your meeting is a one-off in Ann Arbor. How
mid-majorey.Finally, apart from Michigan in 2015, the Y is scheduled
to play Nebraska, BSU, USU, So. Miss., Cincy, and Hawai'i. So who are the
"several other very difficult opponents"? Because I see only Nebraska
and BSU. Utah's 2013 and 2014 schedules see Michigan, Oregon, Stanford,
and USC, plus rising programs such as Oregon St, Washington, UCLA, and ASU. So
really...no comparison. You have only 3 difficult games. We have up to 7.
SportsAuthority"My guess is he'll stay at BYU until
he's ready to retire from coaching, then he'll pursue another career
path in line with his real passion, teaching."I thought
Bronco's real passion is surfing.
With the new playoff around the corner, Top 25 caliber teams will replace the
non-conference D2 teams and cupcakes with higher SOS teams like BYU. This will
continue to give us a great opportunity to play teams like Michigan, Nebraska,
Texas and Notre Dame. We need to elevate our game so we can win these games.However teams at the bottom end of AQ conferences, will not want to play
teams like BYU. They are looking to pad their non-conference schedules with D2
teams and cupcakes just hoping they can get to 6 wins to be bowl eligible. This
is exactly why WSU and Utah dropped the Cougs. I hear Idaho and New Mexico
State are available if you want to schedule them.As for Bronco, his
years are numbered at BYU. I think he was hoping to groom Brandon over 3 or 4
years and then step aside. But that plan is not working out so well. I think
we'll see a couple of offensive coaching changes next year, but Brandon
will stay. However, if the offense doesn't get going next year, I think
we'll see a new OC in 2014.
"I like the matchup...they play good football." -- Bronco MendenhallWell, they play better football than Idaho or New Mexico State anyway.
UVA is a phenomenal academic institution, but they don't necessarily
play good football. They are one loss away from their 4th losing season in the
last 5 years. Bronco must have the Cavaliers confused with Va. Tech.
Isn't one screen name enough Pac Man? LOL!Here we go
again with selective memory loss from BYU fans.Utah & Colorado are
part of the PAC 12 for more than just sports.
WACpaddledIsn't Utah 0-1 in the WAC this year.Just
sayin'---------"I suggest you do research and
not be selective about SOS. The PAC does just fine."The
conference, usually, but, Hill, definitely not. The good Dr. has already
admitted that his scheduling goal is to schedule at least one patsy (i.e. Big
Sky/D1-AA team) every year. So far he's meeting that goal with Montana
State, Northern Colorado, and Weber State in Utah's first three seasons in
the PAC 12.Ironically, Utah ran away from BYU for 2014 and 2015
because playing Michigan and BYU in the same season was considered too
difficult, but that didn't stop BYU from scheduling Michigan and several
other very difficult opponents.
WACpaddled Someday, our little friends on the hill will finally
figure out that there are no awards for SOS.Washington State most
likely backed out of their home game with BYU so they could schedule an easier
opponent to help them get back on track next season.Meanwhile, folks
behind closed doors are probably wondering if it's still possible to back
out of their invitation to Utah and Colorado since neither one of them has
contributed anything to the conference in football. (At least Colorado did
something in basketball.)On the PAC 12 basketball preview last
night, they were talking about USC's difficult preseason schedule helping
to boost the RPI of the conference. To be kind, they didn't bother
mentioning Utah's preseason schedule, but privately they were probably
looking at it and saying "good grief" is this a high school team, or
Poor Wazzu, bet they wish they could run away from both Utah teams they played
It is a great thing to play most of your games on the road. The time for playing
Utah is past. BYU is on the national stage like Notre Dame.
InterestedObserverSpanish Fork, UTI guess just another case of a
Pac-12 not wanting to play somebody tough, sure the Pac-12 has some good school,
but they are a bunch of chickens outside of confence.____________________Meanwhile BYU is chicken feed for everyone
else that they can't beat! After awhile the taste or smell gets old. No
wonder teams backed out, and will back out of agreements with BYU.Zing!I suggest you do research and not be selective about SOS. The PAC does
I guess just another case of a Pac-12 not wanting to play somebody tough, sure
the Pac-12 has some good school, but they are a bunch of chickens outside of
Excited for the home and home with Virginia, but I was looking forward to seeing
the BYU Cougars come play up here in the Palouse. Virginia is a lot farther
He said "slim" not "unlikely"
Bronco said at the time he declined the extended contract that he didn't
want the Y to feel obligated by a contract to keep him around if things go
south. Assuming in general that he is a man of his word, I take that as a sign
of honor, not that he has ulterior motives. He's on a mission
here. When that is done, he can go surf and give the occasional motivational
speech for $10-$20,000. What could possibly be wrong with this picture. Disappointed that there is no immediate trip to the Paulouse for the Y.
But Virginia is a nice trade.
SCCougarI wouldn't put too much stock in Bronco's response
to reaching 200 games as "slim".As I recall, soon after he
became BYU's head coach he hinted that he might only stay 5 years or so.My guess is he'll stay at BYU until he's ready to retire from
coaching, then he'll pursue another career path in line with his real
Drop a road game at wsu to pick up a home and home with Virginia. Sounds good to
Sounding like Bronco is wanting out. Didn't take the extended contract and
not looking to reach 200 games...hmmm.
I'm really liking the future schedules Holmoe is lining up; lots of good
intersectional matchups against good teams in interesting places to play for BYU
players and fans.Congratulations to Bronco on reaching the 100th
game milestone as BYU's head coach!