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Published: Wednesday, Nov. 7 2012 4:14 p.m. MST

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Sorry Charlie!
SLC, UT

The "Christian Right" lost because they overstepped their bounds.

It is one thing to want a religious President who goes to church and publicly speaks out in support of shared religious values -

it is another thing entirely to try to codify into law those religious beliefs - even if they are religious beliefs I believe in.

It seems this is a lesson we have to keep learning.

It is one thing to pick on unpopular groups that lack power - but as those groups come out more, the fear of them lessens and we see the ridiculousness of picking on them in the first place. And when you couple that with trying to pass laws that directly affect a very vocal group of voters who have power and support, you are not going to do very well.

Especially when your people make comments that show a lack of knowledge, understanding, and compassion. Add into the mix the hypocrites who are doing the things they rail against.... And evidence of all the lies..... Well -

People aren't stupid. Treating them like they are is a big mistake.

My2Cents
Taylorsville, UT

We can never put aside christian laws or this country cannot exist. Christian laws and the foundation of the constitution and irrefutable laws. Any thought of thinking any other belief is greater shall not be considered. The United States cannot exist without this basic standard that cannot be questioned or changed. If there are non believers then they should go find their own country and leave mine alone. This country and its laws are why this country still exist and its not uncompromisable by any standard or misguided individual rights.

It is not a constitutional right to challenge the laws of the land for personal plight or privileges of gender confusion or race or beliefs. You have the right not to believe but you have no right to challenge our documents and country. That is treason.

This country has established it is a christian nation and no one can challenge that basis or our constitution as an implied right. Non Christians have the right to leave this country but they don't have a right to challenge this country or our laws or our beliefs.

AmPatriot
Taylorsville, UT

Christian right? Lost? Not at all, it is the indisputable Bible of the founding the country and its constitution. The christian right is the only right relevant to this country and our laws. Non believers are welcome to leave but they have no right to challenge our document and declaration to unite this nation ans a single entity choosing to tolerate all other believes as long as they don't conflict with our constitution. The declaration and constitution are the final authority with no compromise or challenges.

You have a right to exist as you wish, but the constitution limits those rights to challenge to zero tolerance. These dissenters who think and feel they are being treated wrong then they are breaking the law and must embrace the laws and live with it or find a new home more suitable to their likes, mine is fine and I think it is fair and just and toleration as long as they allow others the same right and latitude of respect.

These dissenters are not talking about civil rights, they are challenging the faith that created something fair for all.

JoeBlow
Far East USA, SC

All I can say is WOW.

"If there are non believers then they should go find their own country and leave mine alone."

"It is not a constitutional right to challenge the laws of the land"

"You have the right not to believe but you have no right to challenge our documents and country. That is treason."

"Non Christians have the right to leave this country but they don't have a right to challenge this country or our laws or our beliefs."

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You invoke the constitution throughout your rant, but fail to realize that virtually every point you espouse is contrary to the constitution.

The position that you are are championing is tenable to only the far far religions right.

You scare me.

Kalindra
Salt Lake City, Utah

@ my2cents & AmPatriot: Excellent satirical pieces! You captured exactly what is wrong with the so-called Christian right! Their viewpoint not only violates the Constitution, there is nothing resembling any teaching of Christ anywhere in it! And talk about a willful ignorance of history!

Again, excellent satire! Perfect illustration of why they are losing all relevance and fared so badly at the polls this year - and why their decline will continue.

LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

Sorry Charlie!
SLC, UT
The "Christian Right" lost because they overstepped their bounds.

it is another thing entirely to try to codify into law those religious beliefs - even if they are religious beliefs I believe in.

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Agreed, and well said!

Isn't this why 5,000 Americans died in the Middle East -- tearing down Governments based on Religous Laws [Shariah].

What cracks me up, the very same ones scared of the boogiemen of Islam invoking Shariah Law as law of the land in America - are trying to implement Christian Law as law of the land in America.

or

Was it all just a ruse to whip up public support to steal their oil?

My2Cents
AmPatriot

As a veteran sworn to defend the Constitution
You scare more than any foreign enemy EVER could.

atl134
Salt Lake City, UT

@My2Cents
"Christian laws and the foundation of the constitution and irrefutable laws. Any thought of thinking any other belief is greater shall not be considered."

A nation cannot have religious freedom of a religion's rules are codified into law. That's what happens in nations with Sharia law.

"If there are non believers then they should go find their own country and leave mine alone. "

Your view is unconstitutional though it would fit in quite well with 1840s Missouri.

christoph
Brigham City, UT

Hillary Clinton, Al Gore and John Kerry have never endorsed gay marriage, so there is disagreement inside the Democratic party as well.

Bubble
SLC, UT

@ christoph: Actually, you would be wrong.

Al Gore and John Kerry have both publicly come out in support of same-sex marriage and Hillary Clinton stated that she supports New York's same-sex marriage law.

Additionally, the Democratic platform supports same-sex marriage.

Recent polls indicate that 53% of US Citizens support the right of same-sex couples to marry. And for the first time, voters have approved same-sex marriage via ballot.

The question raised by the article is not whether or not Democrats and/or Republicans approve of same-sex marriage, it is why didn't the views of the very vocal religious right carry the day? The simple answer is because most of America disagrees with them.

The Prop 8 trial was the death knell for the anti-same-sex marriage brigade. None of their "facts" were factual and Americans saw that. It is hard to claim a moral high ground when you have been found to be consistently lying about things. It is hard to claim to be more religious and moral when you are violating the 10 Commandments. The backlash is not surprising.

Igualmente
Mesa, AZ

Maybe the day has arrived that Christians are outnumbered by the humanists.

RanchHand
Huntsville, UT

@My2Cents;

This is OUR country too, not just your country. If you want a Christian only country, go find your own.

@AmPatriot;

Your name implies you are something you are not.

Moontan
Roanoke, VA

LDS Liberal's comment is an excellent example of the type of thinking that is killing this country. In political terms, its called liberalism.

To equate Sharia law with Christian law, to imply no critical differences exist, that they are essentially both the same, is ... well, astounding.

People unable to make critical distinctions between two schools of philosophy hide their inability - or attempt to hide it - by calling themselves 'liberal' or 'tolerant'.

Baccus0902
Leesburg, VA

@Moontan
I'm from Chile. Once I was in a party and this Cuban fellow unknown to me introduced himself and said he wanted to congratulate me for the president of my country. After the first moment of surprised I asked him to elaborate, he went on to tell me that he hated the president of Cuba, because Fidel Castro was a murderer, has political prisoners, had abolished basic freedoms, etc.
My reply was, it is funny you feel that way about Fidel Castro, because I feel the same way about General Pinochet and for the same reasons.

General Pinochet was a proponent of Capitalism. Fidel Castro was/is a promonent of Marxism.

The point I'm trying to make to you is that LDS Liberal is right. Two different religions or philosophies can and many times do resort to the same fanatical and arbitrary tools to control people.

Moontan
Roanoke, VA

Baccus ... An evil man can use any good thing to do evil. But this truth impugns the man, not the thing. An honest, dispassionate analysis of Capitalism will show it superior to Marxism, to which citizens in formerly-Communist countries can and do attest.

Christian law and Sharia law are as completely dissimilar as Capitalism and Marxism. The one offers Hope; the other, repression.

Yes, bad men can abuse each, but see my first sentence.

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