When Utah legislators (Mormons) pass alcohol related laws that are considered
inhibiting compared to other states, it resonates in the press. When tourists
come to Utah and are subjected to laws that seem designed to move your actions
and morals toward becoming a member of “the state majority” it is
relayed to their fellow friends and neighbors upon their return to
“reality” back home. It is considered normal for adults to drink
alcohol, coffee, and tea. When they are considered less than first class humans
here in Utah for doing the same, it resonates. A Mormon president is impossible
to consider when the impression has been instilled that he will lead all of
Americana into the land of Zion and we will all be forced to bend to the will of
the LDS doctrine and Word of Wisdom. That concept is unfathomable to those of
other faiths or even no faith. This opinion is so well in-trenched that there
will never be a LDS president until it can be trusted that the LDS religion can
stop thrusting their morals onto the general public. In other words, Live and
The irony of all this is that Mr. Romney couldn't overcome the bigotry in
the republican party. The Evangelicals cost Mr. Romney the election. He wasted
way to much time trying to sell his own party primarily evangelicals on why they
should vote for him. Mike Huckabee, who in the last election referred to
Mormons as a cult while running for the office of President. Yet with no major
republicans coming to their defense, the majority of Mormons still hold fast to
a party that in many parts largely still view Mormons as a cult. This
shouldn't be a surprise though because republicans have a lack of tolerance
for anyone who is not exactly like them.
Nothing has changed. The masses are still ignorant, biased and too lazy to care.
@jtalkRomney being a flip flopper? Romney was the Governor of
Massachusetts. Last I checked it is the bluest (most democrat) state in the
United States. Anyone Republican who wins the governorship in Massachusetts
can't rule with a Conservative iron fist and expect to get anything done
because the state assembly and senate will constantly turn him down. It would be
no different than a democrat winning the governorship in Texas and expect to
rule with a liberal iron fist and he(or she) wondering why nothing is getting
done. Both in this situation would have to govern as a moderate to move forward
even though each is a conservative or a liberal in there personal core beliefs.
So it is with Romney, he is personally conservative but governs as a moderate or
at least he had to in Massachusetts. So if your going to blame the man blame him
for not running for governor in a conservative state if he held conservative
views, but he did what he had to do in Massachusetts to move that state forward.
If only Obama can be more Moderate than he has.
I agree with Labeau, due to the people that couldn't overcome their
bigotry, we will have 4 more years of the same. Was this whole thing a failure
in regards to becoming understood? No, but hopefully we can keep the ball
rolling. I am still amazed at how people could know "all about Mitt
Romney", but have never met him. Next election I also think that those who
compete in the primary might want to be a little more careful of what they say
of the other person(s). I had a hard time listening to someone endorse someone
that they completely "hated" two to three months prior. After what I
saw I would say all of them rate as flip-floppers.Let me say however
that I don't have a problem with flip-floppers, especially when this means
that someone is learning from life's lessons. I know I'm glad that I
still don't have the same views on life that I had when I was a young
adult, else wise I probably wouldn't be around to type this. I would
prefer someone leading who has learned and adapted and is now wise.
The bigotry is still there. 28% of the Evangelicals said they would not vote for
a Mormon, and they didn't. Had the same numbers who voted for McCain voted
for Romney, Romney win's in a landslide. Personally I don't
care, the people vote for the government they want and deserve.If you have
a good job, you'll be fine, if you don't, good luck. Unemployment
will increase, gas prices will go higher, as Obama wants, and with the Federal
Government spending it self over a cliff nothing will be done until it's
broke. California will go first, cities in California are already
declaring bankruptcy, and it won't belong before the state has to as
well.Have a good life.
anti lds bigotry is alive and well, just read many of these posts
Religious bigotry as it applies to the LDS Church is alive and well. I heard so
many awful comments about my faith during the election than at any other time in
my life. As a converted member of the Church, I have a very open mind when it
comes to religious preferences, but the bigotry towards me, my faith, Mr. Romney
was intolerable, especially here in the South.
3 million white republican voters did not vote....stayed home. Romney may have
made a dent in religious bigotry, but it is very much alive and well.
It is interesting how well the Obama did in their character assassination of
Romney. We rely on the media for our our information. When they join in with the
incumbent President in attacking a relativity unknown candidate it sticks. While
was labeled a labeled rich liar, flip-flopper, etc. Obama's major misdeeds,
lies and lack of leadership was ignored or blamed on others. It was a blatant
and corrupt bias. It is due to the mounting lack of trust in the media that
Romney was able to come so extremely close to winning. Let's not allow
media to tell us what to think any longer.
jtalk,Missionaries do carry the Bible with them. I know that I did.
I loved to hold the Bible in one hand and the Book of Mormon in the other and
bring the two together in one hand to illustrate the fulfillment of the prophecy
in Ezekiel 37.
jtalk, I commend you for speaking up for the Mormon's and their belief in
Christ. I admit that I have only read the Old Testament twice and the New
Testament four times, and the Book of Mormon about 20 times. I went through a
short period of inactivity after reading the Old Testament, I was young.
Mormon's do accept the Bible as scripture, but yes it is based on correct
translation. There were many hands that it was passed through, these men who
did the translation did the best that they could in that time. The Book of
Mormon has gone through only one translation. As a missionary, I carried all
the scriptures, no I didn't try to place a Bible in peoples homes, because
they already had a Bible. If they didn't, I would have gotten one for
them. The reason that the LDS church places Books of Mormon in homes is to add
to the testimony of Jesus Christ that is found in the Bible, it is a 2nd
Shatter an "invisible" barrier?Uhhh, to shatter is to win.
Romney didn't win.
Mormon's claim their religion is based on the Bible. Their religion is
based on the Book of Mormon. Just ask any Mormon missionary to show you their
copy of the Bible when they come to your door...NOT Going to happen! jtalkSorry my friend. Those missionaries will be able to show you
their bibles. We believe in both.See, this is where bigotry and
predujice start - with people spouting "facts" that are not true.
Shatter the invisible barrier of religious bigotry? Let me be clear,
I am a Democrat. I am against many views of the LDS church. Am I
glad a member of the LDS church was a candidate for President of the United
states? Yes. I just wish it was John Huntsman. I believe Huntsman would not have been divisive towards so many Americans.
Blacks, Latinos, Women, LGBT... and 47% of America.
Huntsman, would have tried to work with Americans, for a better future. Not
In this case one persons bigotry may be anothers rational evaluation.
The bigotry of many Evangelicals and condescending non-religious liberals will
never die, until the Second Coming. That's just how it is. Nothing's
@Noodlekaboodle;Are you kidding? I never, ever carried my
"quad" out tracting. That thing weighed like 50 lbs (slight
exaggeration). I did carry my italian bible, but our focus was the BOM, not the
@CHS 85You said - "You mean we can finally drop the persecution
complex?"Yes I hope this means we'll stop hearing liberal
commentators and bloggers say things like, "The only reason people voted for
Romney is because their sick of seeing a black man as President?" Or
"Obama is pro-woman and since the neocons can't vote against Hillary,
they vote against Obama." (Didn't make these up) I guess
some people can play the race card, gender card and even the religion card all
they want, but others can't say a word back. @HutteriteYou said - "The Mo Moment is gone. And religion still doesn't
belong in politics."Does that include "progressive"
churches like the Universalist/Unitarian Church, United Church of Christ and
United Methodist Church?That's right, separate church and state
unless you agree with the church.
@JTalkDude, I'm not even a mormon, but that's bogus. The mormons
have this quadruple combo deal that has the Bible, The Book of Mormon, D&C,
and the other one that is tiny and I don't remember the name and i'm
too lazy to google it. Trust me I studied their religion as well. I don't
agree with it, but let's not tell out and out lies about them.
No, that was John F. Kennedy who partially shattered that ceiling. However, we
will have to wait until there is a non-Christian polytheist who can be elected
to truly see that barrier eradicated. Today, there remains the
"Christian" litmus test for candidacy.As for a Mormon
getting nominated, George Romney might have been nominated had it not been for
his "brainwashing on Vietnam" comment. Now, it may be decades before
Republicans take their chances with another Mormon. Democrats have a much
greater likelihood of nominating a Morman than do Republicans in the forseeable
"Mitt Romney's candidacy helped shatter an invisible barrier of
religious bigotry".Not it didn't.
jtalkI cannot remember leaving my apartment as a missionary without
my Reina Valera Spanish Bible. If I ever did, it was a mistake. Guess what is
being taught this year in Seminary? The New Testament. Last year, it was the
The Mo Moment is gone. And religion still doesn't belong in politics.
Mitt Romney lost because he was WRONG about how to handle our Nations
Immigration Issues Period.January 2008 began the start of the
Arizona E-verify (Attrition) Law, the I.C.E. Deportation/Incarceration Programs,
the "Great Recession", the "Foreclosure Crisis", and our
"New Ballooning National Deficit."Fact: the HARD LABOR
Immigrants gladly did for America was the very Foundation of our Strong Economy,
and the twenty-five year Period prior to the Largely L.D.S. Arizona lead
"Anti-Immigrant Rant" was the "Most Prosperous period in Total U.S.
History.""America is great because it is good, when it
ceases to be good, it ceases to be great".Alex De TocquevilleThis is our I.C.E.'d Economy!Millions have been
Persecuted!Saint's should do Good, not Persecution, and
"Attrition".Romney exposed a Racism "Barrier".C.T.R????
It is not true that Mormons do not believe in Christ. They do. The issue is
they do not believe the Bible is correctly translated and that the Book of
Mormon is correct. Because of that fact they are not mainstream. I am sure
the separation of Church and State would have kept Rommey in line. His major
problem was his platform was unclear and ever changing on many issues. These
issues are important to the changing demographics of the American people. He
flip flopped around more than a fish out of water which made most of us realize
he was not the man we wanted to win.. He was the best candidate the
Republicans could find, And not good enough to beat the Democrats.. it is that
simple..religion was not the main reason he lost.
Here in southern Ohio his LDS membership did hurt, my 76 year mom had lifelong
Republican seniors tell her they just could not vote for a non-Christian so they
did not vote. Even many of my peers from agnostics to pentacostals said Romneys
relgion helped them decide to vote Obama even though they were not impressed
with his 4 years. This was not everyone, but I would guess 3-6 percent more in
Ohio would have voted for a mainstream protestant Romney.
I was a Mormon for seven years and I can assure you they do not use the Bible as
their main teaching tool. I was not born a Mormon but I studed it in depth and
as a result can say I know more about it than most Mormons because most Mormons
born in the faith just accept it due to their exposure from birth and do not ask
the hard questions like someone like me. And I have asked many a young Mormon
who spend their two years on a mission to show me their Bible when they have
come to my door..they had none. Now do I feel they are not deserving of respect
because they do not base all their basic teahings on the Scriptures? Of course
not.But I do not think Mormons are now more or less accepted as a Christian
religion because of Rommey running for president. But his running shows a
freedom of religion still being practiced in this country. And most of the vote
he lost was due to his lack of being in touch with the working class of America.
MHO - The candidacy of Gov. Romney says little about the end of religious
bigotry and more about the success of the unwritten faustian bargain liberals
and conservatives made, that if one wouldn't mock Romney's LDS
religion, the other would remain silent regarding Obama and Islam. All we
really know is the cease fire held for the last three months.We'll know if religious bigotry in Utah is truly ended, if during the
next four years Mormons are able to refrain from trying to hang the pejorative
label "Muslim" around the neck of the POTUS.
As an outside observer I think that despite the less then perfect representative
Romney was that overall the LDS church is better understood and respected then
before the election.
JTalk is wrong. Ask any Mormon missionary to show you his/her Bible, he/she
will. We believe in bothe the Bible and the Book of Mormon. God wasn't made
mute 2,000 years ago. He speaks today as he did then.
The failure of the people to elect Romney proves that a good amount of religious
bigotry is alive and well. I have no doubt that the reason he did not garner
enough votes in Iowa, Florida, and Ohio was because of the small, but
politically significant number of people who chose not to vote rather than
support a Mormon.
Mormon's claim their religion is based on the Bible. Their religion is
based on the Book of Mormon. Just ask any Mormon missionary to show you their
copy of the Bible when they come to your door...NOT Going to happen! So no the
Mormon religion has not been made a main stream religion by Rommey's loss.
And freedom of religion has always been the goal of Anerica.
Religious barriers still exist. I doubt a Muslim or Buddhist would have a chance
of being elected President in this country.
Bigotry as a whole took a hit this election. Three states, so far, rejected
bigotry. It's time for all bigotry to end, religious and secular.
Romney's candidacy broke some barriers. But did mendatious Mitt really help
the public image of Mormonism?
You mean we can finally drop the persecution complex?
What we've learned is that all candidates for the highest office in the
land, regardless of religious creed, all play politics by the same gaming rules
-- divorced completely from personal ethics even when they hold ecclesiastical
positions that demand honesty in their dealings with their fellow men. I believe
that Mitt would have won had he told his financiers and handlers he was going to
play by different rules.
"Romney's viable candidacy demonstrated that the American electorate
could entrust its highest office to an active and believing Latter-day
Saint"Romney got to the top of the republican ticket by being
the best of a very, very bad bunch. When Donald Trump was a legitimate threat to
Romneys candidacy in the primaries, thats not a good sign really.