Published: Wednesday, Nov. 7 2012 1:51 a.m. MST
That's a lot of words to say pretty much nothing.
The only pleasure I got last night was one point in Obamas acceptance speech. He
said he would reach across the aisle. Hah Hah and Hah!
I don't entirely disagree with the substance of this editorial, but I
believe there is more to this election than simply a return to the status quo.
No President since FDR has managed to earn re-election with so many people out
of work. Even in the face of a sputtering economy and creative
"redistricting," Democrats have managed to increase their majority in
the Senate and even picked up a few House seats. This should give the Republican
Party pause. This should have been a big night for them.I constantly
hear that Republicans want to "retake their country." They might want to
start by retaking their own Party. Much of the political activism of the last
two years has been aimed at removing any sign of moderation or compromise from
the Republican ranks. The adverse consequences are only beginning to appear.
This proved self-defeating last night. George W. Bush got 44% of the Latino vote
in 2004. Last night Romney only got 27%. Bush also got over 40% of the Organized
Labor vote. Last night it was the Unions that got out the vote for Obama in Ohio
and elsewhere. Its time to rethink the Republican brand.
Re: "Status quo: A divided House of Representatives, Senate, and White
House"Probably the best we could have hoped for -- government
should stay deadlocked for at least the next 2 years, and a government that does
nothing is infinitely better than one given a free hand to "fix"
I welcome the divided control of Congress. Historically this has been good for
the US because when congress spends its time fighting and stuck in gridlock,
businesses can prosper because the number of new regulations and taxes is
The Republican party, my Republican party, has no one to blame but itself. It
has allowed the party extremists to move the party away from the middle,
particularly on such issues as immigration (could have used that Hispanic vote),
oil and gas exploration, healthcare reform, and budget/deficit reduction. This election shows that the American people tend to be more moderate,
and the Republican party is moving in the opposite direction. I think Romney
was much more moderate than he portrayed on the campaign trail, but to win the
nomination he had to pander to the deeply conservative. He won the battle, but
lost the war. The Republican party, if it wants success, needs to have a
strategy to win the war and not just battles.
Simply put, Republicans need to become even more like Democrats to win. We have
a two-party system in theory, but not in practice. It's getting more and
more difficult to find any significant differences between them.
More of the same political gridlock and economic malaise, here we come!
To procuradorfiscal:It seemed to me that you were hoping for quite a
lot more when you criticized Nate Silver's predictions before the election.
You said that he cherry-picked the polls, omitting or de-weighting the most
accurate polls (such as Rasmussen, in your view). It seems that his more
scientific approach to aggregating the polling data has been proven correct.If the gerrymandering that was accomplished following the Republican
gains of 2010 had not occurred, the House would belong to the Democrats, too.
Let us hope that the party of "NO!" will find a way to compromise now
that the writing is on the wall for the future of their ideas.
I realize the far right posters on these threads are really stinging from last
nights loss but after you lick your wounds try reading RBN's comment there
is a lot of common sense there, something that has been missing from the
republican platform for to long. You do not have to become democrats we have
enough of those but we do need the GOP to drop the rhetoric and return to common
@Tolstoy: if you're talking about me (and you seem to be when you refer to
becoming like Democrats), I'm not stinging at all. I'm a non-voter. I
honestly can't see any significant difference between the two major
parties. So I watched the election with some lack of passion because it
doesn't matter who wins or loses. What matters is that the American people
are the losers. And either party is dealing a losing hand these days in that
The politics may look like status quo, but looking spending cuts and expiring
taxes will force them to act.President Obama tried to negotiate a
deal with John Boehner to increase tax revenue by $800 billion. The deal was
described as "a remarkably, even stupidly generous offer", but Boehner
turned it down.In January, the expiring Bush tax cuts and automatic
spending cuts mean that President Obama will have 5 TRILLION in higher revenue
without doing anything. Both sides agree that amount will be bad for the
economy. They'll settle on something between the deal Boehner snubbed (800
billion) and the fiscal cliff (5 trillion).
Some on this forum have stated that the Republicans need to rethink their
stance.I believe that we are simply becoming a minority. We are
being out numbered.The Biggest US Welfare States*#1 -
California#2 - Maine#3 - Tennessee#4 - Massachusetts#5 -
Vermont#6 -District of Columbia#7 - New York#8 - Minnesota#9 - Washington#10 - New MexicoIn fact the top fifteen
welfare states are, with two exceptions, Democrat.*From CNBC Website
States with the highest poverty rates Lots of red on this list.1 Mississippi2 New Mexico3 DC4 Alabama5
Kentucky6 Arkansas7 Louisiana 8 South Carolina9 West
@SEYSo then you choose to stand on the sidelines and throw rocks at those
that are trying to make a difference? good to know.
Here's a question: what would a real two-party system look like?
Republicans are looking basically like Democrats-lite. Both parties are
converging upon the "magic middle-ground" for votes. That's why I
say the differences are almost indistinguishable. To me, it appears
that the fatal element in the Republican party is their dependence upon the
evangelical wing. What seems to be missing from the political discussion in both
major parties is a non-interventionist perspective. Both parties have shown they
are eager to intervene in the lives of other nations as well as into the lives
of their own constituents. Let the Repubs and Demos be responsible for the
despicable NDAA and its "kill orders" of even Americans without due
process. I want no part of that. Let them be the ones behind the erosion of
civil liberties with their health laws and obeisance to Big Pharma. Let them
answer for the destruction of the dollar and the widening gap between rich and
poor via their redistributive channels that enrich their cronies.Until these issues and others are addressed, there is little if any point to
becoming involved with either major party.
States that take the most from the Federal government1.North
Dakota2.West Virginia 3 Alabama 4 Kentucky 5 New Mexico,
6 Hawaii, 7 Maryland, 8 Virginia, 9 Alaska10
TexasStates that have the most people NOT paying federal income
taxes not in order but Utah has 39% of people NOT paying federal income
taxes.Idaho, Utah, New Mexico, Texas, Louisiana, Alabama,
Mississippi, Georgia, South Carolina, FloridaIt like a Freeloader
belt right down from Idaho all the way through the Republican south.
SEY,Though we sometimes disagree, I have had some great
conversations with you and have I appreciated your depth of thought and
analysis.That is why I am shocked that you do not vote. I am sorry,
but I find your excuse to be just that - an excuse. Some liberals make the same
charges against the Democrats (that they are indistinguishable from
Republicans). If find that just as problematic.If you cannot find
anyone in the major parties to support, what about smaller parties? Could you
not work to put them on the ballot?Also, what about folks down the
ticket (the Senate and House) surely there are some there who merit your
consideration.I subscribe to the old maxim. "You can't
complain if you don't vote".Hope to see you around.
SEY: You've said it all and I thank you for it, as it is not rocks you are
throwing but wisdom and clear-sightedness. I doubt the issues you mention will
be addressed by Democrats or Republicans any time soon, if ever, as those who
hold the real power in this corporatocracy depend on the status quo and devil
take the hindmost. Those who dare to take on these issues, such as Ron Paul, are
quickly drummed out of the running and painted as nutcases or extremists. So I'm with you, SEY--forget either party unless they address the
real problems in this country and do more than talk about the solutions.
Re: "Let us hope that the party of "NO!" will find a way to
compromise now that the writing is on the wall for the future of their
ideas."Americans proved yesterday that's just the opposite
of what we want.As much as liberals try to pontificate, obfuscate,
and demagogue the issue, the ONE clear thing coming out of yesterday's
election is, America prefers gridlock to a compromise of our principles.We know government is the problem, not the solution. A deadlocked
government is not exactly what many of us hoped for, but it's the next best
thing -- infinitely preferable to one that would steer the ship of state on a
deranged, immoral, accelerating heading off the port beam.
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