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Published: Monday, Nov. 5 2012 12:00 a.m. MST

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wigglwagon
Mariion, Va

"One, more visas should be available."

Visas are available. That is how we get a million legal immigrants every year. How many would be enough?

The bottom line is that those who become illegals think they are better than the people who are already in line in front of them.

Twin Lights
Louisville, KY

Some common sense points.

one old man
Ogden, UT

Yes, but then add one more: Severe punishment for employers who hire illegal workers -- and strict enforcement of laws to that end.

wigglwagon
Mariion, Va

The penalty for employers of illegal aliens should be mandatory sentences of $15,000 fines and 2 years in jail per illegal worker. That and deportation of the illegal workers would put an immediate end to the problem.

Landaddy001
San Jacinto, CA

It seems that the author wants to change the immigration laws so that people who violated those immigration laws will be rewarded. We should follow the immigration laws as written so that those who violated the immigration laws will be subjected to the laws that they violated. We should also pass the E-Verify system on a national level and fine and or jail all company owners or officers who hire illegal aliens.

wrz
Ogden, UT

@wigglwagon:

"Visas are available. That is how we get a million legal immigrants every year."

Yes, and that's how we get about half of the illegals who are here today... they come on visas and forget to go home when the visa expires.

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The function of the visa program is to control who and how many immigrants come here. We can't take the whole world in or even those who would like to come, which amounts to possibly hundreds of millions. We don't have the room or the jobs to accommodate.

The way to solve the illegal immigration problem is:

1. Stop giving amnesty, which by the way, violates federal law.
2. Heavily fine any employer (with even one employee), who hires an illegal.
3. Take away all, ALL benefits including free schooling, and free medical.
4. Stop electing people who are illegal immigrants themselves or who have a soft spot in their hearts (brain).

We can't continue with ignoring our immigration laws. It's unfair to US citizens whose jobs illegals take and it's unfair to potential immigrants who faithfully stand in line to get a chance to come legally.

Ultra Bob
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Great solution. To eliminate the problem of illegal immigration, just make it legal.

The writer assumes the problems of illegal immigration to be the difficulties faced by the immigrant. WRONG.

The problem of illegal immigration and the business inspired immigration is the disruption and destruction of the American society by wages that are lower than the result of the American market.

These people not only bring their low wages, they bring the economic oppression from their homeland that they are fleeing. Immigration problems will cease as soon as the American worker and society falls to the same level as in the immigrants homeland.

But they are not allowed to bring the low market prices to American consumers that they had in their homeland.

LGJHERE
LOS ANGELES/USA, CA

An interesting new book that helps explain the role, struggles, and contributions of immigrants is "What Foreigners Need To Know About America From A To Z: How to understand crazy American culture, people, government, business, language and more.” It paints a revealing picture of America for those foreigners who will benefit from a better understanding. Endorsed by ambassadors, educators, and editors, it also informs Americans who want to learn more about the U.S. and how we compare to other countries around the world on many issues. As the book points out, immigrants are a major force in America as they are in other nations. Many bring skills and a willingness to work hard to make their dreams a reality, something our founders did four hundred years ago. In describing America, chapter after chapter identifies “foreigners” who became successful in the US and contributed to our society. However, most struggle in their efforts and need guidance and a helping hand.

Redshirt1701
Deep Space 9, Ut

I have an easier way to solve the problem. So far nobody is looking at the cause, or why illegal immigrants come here. They come because they can earn more money here than they can in their home countries.

To remove the incentive, we can take care of multiple problems at the same time.

First, take all the able bodied individuals on welfare programs, or beyond 6 months of unemployment, and allow local companies to hire them for $1/hr with the rest of their wage covered by the benefits they are already receiveing. Employers would only be allowed to keep the welfare employee for 12 months maximum before they would be sent to another employer.

If you wonder what to do with the kids of some of the able bodied, they would go to daycare centers with 1 permanent supervisor, and the rest of the positions filled with welfare recipiants.

Once employers can hire an able bodied person for $1/hr, it will put the cost of labor so low that the illegal immigrants will be forced out because they cannot afford to work for less than $1/hr.

Alfred
Ogden, UT

@LGJHERE:

"... immigrants are a major force in America as they are in other nations. Many bring skills and a willingness to work hard to make their dreams a reality, something our founders did four hundred years ago."

Did you ever contemplate how bringing the skilled, willing to work, devastates the country of origin? How is it that America thinks it should have all the world's talented? Our immigration laws not only protect other countries by keeping the skilled and willing home in their native countries, it also helps the US by keeping the indolent, drug-pushing, riff-raff out, who come only for a free ride.

We need strong enforcement of our immigration laws. The way it is now we essentially have no borders or laws since almost anyone who wants to can come here... and stay. To have strong enforcement we need to kick Barack Hussein Obama out of our White House. Not only is he possibly an immigrant himself, he indiscriminately violates our immigration laws.

And another thing... much of our immigration originates in Latin American countries, whose native language is Hispanic. If we don't watch we'll soon be the same.

Twin Lights
Louisville, KY

Alfred,

Most illegal immigrants are not skilled when they come. But they are not indolent. They are some of the hardest workers I know.

Pres. Obama is not an immigrant.

There is no such thing as the Hispanic language. The language is Spanish.

Watch Dog
Provo, UT

Either we have laws, or we don't. This writer wrongly assumes that it's okay to violate our laws. It isn't, never has been. The result of ignoring our laws is ultimately anarchy.

The solution to our illegal alien problem is simple, that is to enforce existing laws. Maybe we need more work VISA's, and maybe we don't, but until we have an accurate count we cannot know.

The problem has been caused by greedy and disrespectful business interests who intentionally do not want to follow the law, who want to pass along to the taxpayer as much of their costs as they can. It is called greed, pure and simple. Nothing more.

To make matters worse, these greedy interests buy off and manipulate our legislature, people who are elected to represent our people. Our general population, at least in regard to this issue, is not represented - at all.

anti-liar
Salt Lake City, UT

There's a difference between a visitor and a permanent resident for a reason. The country cannot accommodate everyone that wants to come here. Immigration therefore should not be easy.

"Immigrants should be able to do these things without fear of deportation."

First, they are not bona fide immigrants; they are hostile invaders of a sovereign nation (hostile to its customs, borders and laws). Second, they absolutely SHOULD be fearful on account of their illegality.

I will agree with you on this, however: deportation, or a free airplane trip home to visit relatives, is an insufficient deterrent to illegal immigration. That is why in addition to deportation there also should be jail and/or prison time, fines, and confiscation of property.

The REAL solution to illegal immigration is, number one, foreign nationals respecting the borders, laws, and customs of a sovereign nation; two, enforcing the law with regard to those who don't, instead of rewarding them. Allowing them to stay here makes a mockery of the law. It is bad for the country. And it is unfair.

anti-liar
Salt Lake City, UT

@wrz

"... they come on visas and forget to go home when the visa expires."

I don't believe that very many of them actually forget. I believe that indeed most of them take out visas with a premeditation for violating the terms of that visa. That by the way is visa fraud -- a Felony.

@LGJHERE

"Many bring skills and a willingness to work hard to make their dreams a reality..."

The problem is that many of them do not also bring with them a basic respect for this country, its customs, and its people -- which is why they should NEVER be granted amnesty or legalization of any type, ever. There just are too many millions of people who actually love the country and what it stands for and who therefore are far more deserving of consideration.

SLars
Provo, UT

In 2010 3.5 million visas and green cards were given out. With 23 million people looking for full time work, that's an absurd number per year.A Visas purpose is to fill jobs our labor market can't. There are very few instances where there is a honest need, and not just an employer that wants cheap labor.

Amnesty is not a serious option. The people came here illegally for jobs, and committed multiple felonies. They should not be rewarded for their dishonest actions. If we provide a path to citizenship, the bulk will end up on our welfare rolls. Business hires them because they work cheap, as citizens, this is no longer an option. They will be laid off in time, as business looks to the next wave of illegal immigration, and cheap labor. Between the new wave of immigration and 12 million people we will see the surplus labor bubble burst, and another recession.

All options except for enforcement, will end up in furthering the problem, and only make it worse.

cjb
Bountiful, UT

What are now illegal immigrants want to be here and we need their labor. They would prefer to be here legally, we would prefer they were here legally. Of course we need to take a look at the number of visas issued. There simply isn't enough to fill the need.

We need to be compassionate, but we should also try to accomplish things legally. Tweaking the visas is an obvious solution.

wrz
Ogden, UT

@anti-liar:

"I don't believe that very many of them actually forget."

'Forget to go home' is a play on words.

"I believe that indeed most of them take out visas with a premeditation for violating the terms of that visa. That by the way is visa fraud -- a Felony."

Of course you're absolutely right.

Whos Life RU Living?
Ogden, UT

Dear Twin Lights,

It is rare to see LDS members defend President Obama’s faith. (Especially in Utah) Why do I not see more members defend another person’s beliefs if it is different than their own?

Posts such as yours earn my respect.

DP742
American Fork, UT

This is an insightful letter and includes many compelling solutions. I wholeheartedly agree with each of these points, with the one exception being the state-sponsored immigration centers. While such an organization is needed, this demand could be filled by the private sector. I am sure that there are many naturalized former immigrants who see the need for this and would be willing to help.

As an addendum to the fourth point that deportation is costly and ineffective, I would submit that the enforcement that is a necessary part of any reform be focused on enforcing existing laws against those who hire illegal workers. Businesses have access to E-Verify and should be able to verify legal status of those they hire. I am grateful for people who see immigration reform as a human issue. Two basic principles must guide our efforts going forward: respect for individuals as children of God while also maintaining respect for the rule of law and our nation's treasured institutions.

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