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Published: Saturday, Nov. 3 2012 12:00 a.m. MDT

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DVD
Taylorsville, 00

How does it go? "A society can be judged based on its treatment of its most vulnerable". Or similar.

We do need to have a means of preventing our help from being drained by some to the point of being unable to help anyone, however. Those that provide the help can find themselves in a bit of a quandary in terms of resources available to give.

one old man
Ogden, UT

But, John, that's not the Republican way is it?

After all, aren't 47% of us just leaches?

Mike Richards
South Jordan, Utah

Is infrastructure the problem? Do we have poverty in America because of a lack of roads that allow people to get to work and for products to get to market? Do we have poverty because of a lack of police and fire protection? Do we have poverty because people have not had the OPPORTUNITY to receive an education?

Those duties are mostly allocated to government. The rest of the duties we retain to ourselves.

Every week in church Priesthood Meeting, the group leadership checks with each person who is unemployed or underemployed to see how the job hunt is progressing and to check on the welfare needs of that person and his family. Other group members are asked to be alert for employment opportunities. Occasionally, we are asked to spend a few hours helping someone in the ward boundaries with mundane tasks, tasks that may have become too trying for him to handle by himself.

That same help is extended to every person, regardless of religious affiliation who lives within our Ward boundary. No one is left out because of religious affiliation.

Government can't solve the problem. They've tried for 80 years. They're using the wrong plan.

Liberal Ted
Salt Lake City, UT

I have no issues with helping those that are actually in need. The issue comes up with the high level of fraudulant people that have zero shame about scamming the system and stealing from those that are in need and vulnerable. The other issue is the generational welfare, where kids grow up in this environment and believe that is the way to get through life.

Are we really helping people when we just give them what they ask for? There are some people that can handle being on assistance temporarily and when they are back on their feet they get off of the system. Others are complacent to live off the system and always have a reason to not work and provide for themselves.

That's the difference I see in the philosophy between dems and repubs. One believes you should just give and sustain those that won't do for themselves. The other believes in helping people, but, those that can-should get back on their feet and help themselves as soon as possible.

Hutterite
American Fork, UT

Community organisers. They get it.

no fit in SG
St.George, Utah

Weren't we all taught, at an early age, to help others?
Isn't the judging of whether "they" need in or not supposed to be left to a higher power?

Truthseeker
SLO, CA

re:MikeRichards
"That same help is extended to every person, regardless of religious affiliation who lives within our Ward boundary"

Really?

I know of LDS people who were refused assistance because they were no longer attending church. How are needy non-members helped by local wards? I've never known an LDS ward/leadership that offered assistance to non-members (outside of natural disasters).

Truthseeker
SLO, CA

re:LiberalTed
" The issue comes up with the high level of fraudulant"

#1. How do you arrive at the conclusion regarding the level of fraud? percentages? statistics? sources?

"One believes you should just give and sustain those that won't do for themselves. The other believes in helping people, but, those that can-should get back on their feet and help themselves as soon as possible."

#2. Democrats do not believe able-bodied and mentally competent people should just be able to live on the "dole." But Democrats do realize that not all jobs provide a living wage and even some people who work 40 hrs/wk may need some type of assistance to meet basic needs. Democrats are also concerned that using "blunt" instruments to reduce aid to the needy could result in harm to children and those who have real challenges/needs.

I appreciate Mr. Florez" columns on these issues. How can the current system be improved? Specific recommendations?

J Thompson
SPRINGVILLE, UT

Truthseeker,

If you want to learn about the LDS Church, why not contact the missionaries, or visit a Ward or Branch in SLO? When I visited SLO, many times for business, I often visited with LDS members there. They are no different from LDS members world-wide.

Christians, world-wide, care about people, even people outside their own religion. Religious bigots, world-wide, use every opportunity to speak against God and religion.

As far as your statement about "inactive" LDS being turned away, that may be true; but, those same people are also turned away from government agencies for scamming the system.

Not everyone who holds their hand out is going to have that hand filled. GOOD HEARTED people are going to get help from GOOD HEARTED people. Scammers need to re-think how they live their lives. No church is obligated to "enable" people who ask for help under false pretenses - anymore than any government agency would offer help to people who ask for help under false pretenses.

Let's Agree to Disagree
Spanish Fork, UT

"Weren't we all taught, at an early age, to help others?
Isn't the judging of whether "they" need in or not supposed to be left to a higher power?"

Can I have some money? I mean, it would really help me out a lot...I would not have to work to support my family if people just gave me money. What? Suddenly you want to judge whether or not I really need help? How can you be so judgmental? Is it because I currently have a job? Well I can become unreliable, or hooked on drugs, or steal and get fired. Then will you give me money? Oh, I see...now you want to judge the choices I make? Now what are you saying? Just working hard would be the best thing for me and the best example to set for my kids? You are probably right...and there are probably a lot of other people who should be told that too...

Truthseeker
SLO, CA

Re:JThompson

Uhhhh,

Life-long LDS member here.

You are wrong in all your assumptions.

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