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Letter: President Obama's recent trivial attacks have changed my vote

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  • one vote Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 7, 2012 5:48 p.m.

    Utah Romney vote was moot. He needed voters in Ohio, like Karl Rove promised.

  • one vote Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 6, 2012 9:40 p.m.

    The election results moots all of the above. Time to stop rooting for a bad economy and for the President to fail. He did not.

  • Nate Pleasant Grove, UT
    Nov. 6, 2012 4:52 p.m.

    In response to the question, "Why don't you check the independant fact checkers to see what they say."

    Because the fact checkers cited don't seem to be looking at facts. GM and Chrysler did undergo bankruptcy under Obama. The difference is that, where Mitt Romney called for an orderly proceeding guided by the rule of law, their bankruptcy was managed by a political task force which paid off Obama's union allies first, leaving the car companies with the same structural weaknesses they had in the first place.

    An orderly bankruptcy would have made the car companies much stronger and more able to compete. Obama saved them temporarily, but Romney's approach would have saved them long-term.

    As for outsourcing, why is expanding overseas evil only when Romney does it? As I said before, the purpose of the ad was to expose a double standard, which it did quite effectively.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Nov. 6, 2012 9:14 a.m.

    J Thompson
    SPRINGVILLE, UT
    Serving Christ is not commensurate with serving in the military? I wonder what the Prince of Peace would say about that? The greatest man who ever lived did not serve in the military. He told us to Dora's he did. Think about it. Who do you follow and why?

    Thank goodness we have a military, but thank goodness we also have tens of thousand who are teaching people to live together in peace.

    What is absurd is to think that killing people leads to peace. How many armies have fought in the Middle East? Where is the peace?

    ==================

    Some of us - did BOTH.
    Myself,
    Pres. Monson,
    Captian Moroni,
    Mormon....

    What is absurd is to think that killing people leads to peace.
    Which is why all of us who HAVE served are bleeding heart Liberals and are the VERY LAST ones to cry for war.

    I wonder what the Prince of Peace would say about that?

  • Mike in Cedar City Cedar City, Utah
    Nov. 6, 2012 8:30 a.m.

    Nate Why don't you check the independant fact checkers to see what they say.

    Obama pulled GM and Chryser out of Bankruptcy...Check

    The Italians bought Chrysler...Check

    Because of the Success of Jeep in America, Fiat is considering expanding to China...Check

    Mitt Romney will fight for every profit dollar, shipping American jobs overseas if need be...check

    In his disingenuous ad, Romney insinutes that American jobs at jeep will be transferred to China...Check

    The American Auto industry was ultimately saved by Obama over the published objections of many republicans including Mitt Romney ...Checkmate.

  • Nate Pleasant Grove, UT
    Nov. 5, 2012 11:40 p.m.

    Might as well quote the ad itself:

    "Obama took GM and Chrysler into bankruptcy and sold Chrysler to Italians who are going to build Jeeps in China. Mitt Romney will fight for every American job."

    Obama took GM and Chrysler into bankruptcy...check.
    Obama sold Chrysler to Italians...check.
    Fiat is going to build Jeeps in China...check.
    Mitt Romney will fight for every American job...check.

    Now let's count all the Pinocchio's...hmmm, that comes to zero. They're all true statements.

    The purpose of this ad is to show that Obama is guilty of the same things he's been accusing Romney of.

  • Cats Somewhere in Time, UT
    Nov. 5, 2012 7:32 a.m.

    Wow! Looks like a bunch of MSNBC viewers. I didn't think there were that many in the whole country. How can anyone be that misinformed?

  • Mike in Cedar City Cedar City, Utah
    Nov. 5, 2012 7:15 a.m.

    RedShirt. The Jeep ad may have been technically correct(or not) but the clear intent of the add was to insinutate that Jeep Jobs in Ohio were going to China. Deliberately false Insinuations are just as dishonest as out right factual misrepresentations

    I don't really understand what Romney thought he would accomplish with that ad. But he knows that the mainstream press has mostly ignored his constantly applied political misrepresentations. But even then they call him "Mendatious Mitt". But that handle is way too kind, Romney isn't just any polition,and in the public mind he will be held to a higher standard. Otherwise the almost puritanical ethic of the LDS Church is nothing more than trivial moral relativism.

  • ScreenNam Kennewick, WA
    Nov. 4, 2012 11:06 p.m.

    Negative TV ads are a persuasive means of convincing audiences candidates are the ultimate doom for America. Unfortunately, these ads target voters ignorant to real issues, who fall prey to comments about Big Bird or Muslim terrorists. Negative ads misrepresent and distort, distracting the unintelligent voter by scaring them into selecting a candidate. Make choices founded on fact and research, rather than simplistic ads.

    If Obama is responsible for "petty and trivial attacks"(which I do agree), it's not the vindictive, calculated attacks on women, homosexuals, minorities, and the poor, of which the GOP and Mitt Romney are currently responsible for.I hope you don't call yourself a feminist, Mr. Curtis. While you are preoccupied with Big Bird, you're supporting a platform that takes away fundamental rights for women and is radically right-winged.

    Though it's impressive an Utahan voted for Obama in 2008, your attitude is unsurprising, coming from Provo. If you provided any solid evidence for choosing Romney, perhaps I could have been convinced. Mitt's supporters are more preoccupied with Obama's faults, rather than Romney's credibility. What REALLY changed your mind about Obama? Is it truly a trivial, giant, yellow bird?

  • mark Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 4, 2012 10:43 p.m.

    Christian, relax.

    Maybe you didn't actually read the WaPo fact check, okay, here's its conclusion:

    The series of statements in the ad individually may be technically correct, but the overall message of the ad is clearly misleading — especially since it appears to have been designed to piggyback off of Romney’s gross misstatement that Chrysler was moving Ohio factory jobs to China.

    It is also especially strange that the ad touts Romney’s endorsement by the Detroit News, when the editorial actually backs up Obama’s criticism of Romney’s response to the auto industry crisis.

    Four Pinocchios

    I know, I know, context is such a hard thing for some people to understand. I have no idea why. See, I can say a factual statement or two, and if I give no context for them they can be highly misleading.

    But anyway, this fact check is not the only one to claim that the Romney ad is a blatant lie, there are plenty of others.

  • Mark B Eureka, CA
    Nov. 4, 2012 10:16 p.m.

    I wonder if RedShirt ever considers that his pining for the GWB days leaves him a little...alone. Wars tend to employ lots of people, and if we can do it off the books, well, so much the better. Warrantless wiretaps, "signing statements", and a freshly thought up legal framework (the Unitary Executive) to explain it all. An attack happens under our noses, but it's just collateral damage....until four more die in Libya. RedShirt has his own case of amnesia when it comes to the credit rating debacle brought on exclusively by his party. Salsa Libre might be the smartest person in Provo.

  • Christian 24-7 Murray, UT
    Nov. 4, 2012 9:32 p.m.

    So the Wa Po fact check did say that EVERY STATEMENT in the ad about Jeep was CORRECT. Then they gave it 4 Pinocchios.

    So everything Romney said was true, but he lied? Sounds like deep liberal bias to me.

    Also sounds like the crazed Obama worshipping liberal dribble that has filled this comment forum.

    Thank goodness there are lots of media outlets so there is at least some balance.

    Oh and go vote for Romney! Our children and grandchildren can't afford another 4 years of Obama debts.

  • J Thompson SPRINGVILLE, UT
    Nov. 4, 2012 8:43 p.m.

    Serving Christ is not commensurate with serving in the military? I wonder what the Prince of Peace would say about that? The greatest man who ever lived did not serve in the military. He told us to Dora's he did. Think about it. Who do you follow and why?

    Thank goodness we have a military, but thank goodness we also have tens of thousand who are teaching people to live together in peace.

    What is absurd is to think that killing people leads to peace. How many armies have fought in the Middle East? Where is the peace?

    @Mark,

    So you're claiming that the Deseret News and the Washington Post made up the emails? You're claiming that the live video feed that those newspapers reported did not exist? How long are you going to believe Obama as he covers himself by having Hillary Clinton take the fall for him? It's beyond credibility to think that all sources and all reports are wrong just because Obama says so. Hillary took responsibility. It looks like she knows the real consequences of lying, a lesson that Obama will soon learn.

  • mark Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 4, 2012 7:10 p.m.

    Richards, can you provide any evidence to back up your claims about Benghazi?

    Be precise, and cite your sources. So far nobody has been able to do this. So there is you challenge, can you be the first? Remember, be precise, and cite sources.

    Redshirt, the WaPo fact check you are referring to gave Romney's Jeep ads 4 Pinocchios, in other words he really, really lied. Why do you keep trying to misrepresent what the fact check said?

  • JustGordon Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Nov. 4, 2012 5:45 p.m.

    To "Redshirt" FactCheck dot Org says that Romney distorts the facts on Jeep and the auto bailout, contrary to your assertion . Re ACA...3.1 million Americans who would not have been covered without the change were not covered...are you trying to tell us they are ALL sitting at home doing nothing? Re: our AAA credit rating, it was Congress and folks like Lee, Ryan and Chaffetz...Republicans... who undid the deal the Speaker of the House had with the President on the debt ceiling. S & P downgraded us on lack of political cooperation not on the amount of debt.

  • Ali'ikai 'A'amakualenalena Provo, UT
    Nov. 4, 2012 5:03 p.m.

    J Thompson
    SPRINGVILLE, UT

    An LDS Church mission is not, in any way, commensurate with military service. Talk to a veteran and ask him/her if converting people to a specific religion is equivalent to fighting for the safety and security of the American people.

    Perhaps in Utah and among LDS members missionary activity is seen as "much the same", but to those having the responsibility to protect us against our enemies, the thought is absolutely absurd.

  • Ernest T. Bass Bountiful, UT
    Nov. 4, 2012 4:37 p.m.

    If you want trivial attacks without substance look no further than the repubs and faux news.

  • Mike Richards South Jordan, Utah
    Nov. 4, 2012 4:27 p.m.

    @ Salsa Libre,

    I hope you feel much better now that you've gotten that off your chest, but I totally disagree that I, or Rush Limbaugh or Shawn Hannity or anyone except President Obama needs to bear any responsibility for the actions or the inaction of our President. Regardless of how Obama has tried to tell us that Bush "did it" or that the movie maker "did it". HE did it - all by himself.

    We hired him to represent the United States. He works for us. We allowed him to speak in our behalf. He has chosen to speak for himself.

    After taking an oath before us that he would defend the Constitution, presumably knowing that, according to the Constitution, he is "Commander in Chief" of the military, he decided to LET four Americans die without doing anything to help them, without lifting a finger.

    That is not something trivial. He would be charged with dereliction of duty were he a private in the military.

    If his conduct is acceptable to you, then support him. His CONDUCT is unacceptable to me. It is not anyone's fault but his own.

  • Furry1993 Ogden, UT
    Nov. 4, 2012 3:03 p.m.

    To Mike in Cedar City

    Why do I doubt that this writer ever voted for Obama. Trivial attacks? Good grief how do they compare with the outright lies being pushed by the Romney Campaign? You know, the continuing lie about Jeep jobs being outsourced to China, that he made the economy worse lie, the "you didn't build that distortion", the lie that Obama "doubled the deficit". But the author is pained by a few humorous coments about big bird. Give me a break!
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    That as the exact comment I was going to make but you beat me to it. I couldn't have sai it better myself. All I can say is "I agree" and "good job."

  • Owl Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 4, 2012 2:19 p.m.

    For those claiming that independents who vote for Romney never voted for Obama in 2008; if that self delusion is comforting you are welcome to it. Even my wife, a rabid Femocrat and who loves Mr. Obama, hopes (voted early) for a change.

  • Owl Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 4, 2012 1:52 p.m.

    Fool me once, I voted for Obama in 2008, and it's his fault.
    Fool me twice and it's my fault. I won't make the same mistake in 2012.

  • RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT
    Nov. 4, 2012 1:44 p.m.

    To "Moderate" unfortunately you are wrong. Prior to the ACA, college students could be carried on their parents insurance until age 25 or 26. All that has changed is now, you can sit on your parents couch doing nothing and still be covered. The letter writer was never in danger of losing healthcare coverage.

    To "Mike in Cedar City" read what the Washington Post fact checkers had to say about the Jeep add. They declared Romney's jeep add technically correct. They didn't like how he presented the facts.

    To "The Real Maverick" hopefully people will remember how it was under bush. We had AAA credit ratings, unemployment around 5%, and deficits that are 1/3 of today's

  • Salsa Libre Provo, UT
    Nov. 4, 2012 12:16 p.m.

    Mike Richards
    South Jordan, Utah

    The hostility in your comments is self-evident and can be summed up in seven words: "Mike Richards simply doesn't like the man!" Regardless of what the president says, what he does, what he accomplishes, you are a true believer and will never give the president credit. Your comments are unsubstantiated wingnut talking points spread by conservative media and directed to that Republican goal to make Barack Obama a one-term president, regardless.

    This all started with Rush Limbaugh's edict prior to the president's inauguration in January, 2009, to make him fail. All efforts of true-believing conservatives took this as their central purpose to re-gain the White House, throw out the usurper, and re-store the God-given right to a Republican president.

    The anger directed toward this president has been allowed to expand and fester to the point where respectful discussion is considered treasonous to the conservative mind. Even acknowledging any Obama administration accomplishments is to be avoided lest the wingnut media turn and punish the offender. Manufactured and exaggerated lies have become the staple of conservative thinking with a committed body of individuals to troll the newspace.

  • J Thompson SPRINGVILLE, UT
    Nov. 4, 2012 12:13 p.m.

    Those who try to tell us that Obama had no knowledge that terrorists had attacked us in Benghazi are portraying him as if he were an idiot. They're telling us that he had some kind of "do not disturb" sign on his door and that no one in the White House had permission to wake up the "Commander in Chief" when we were under attack. They also want us to believe that he, the Commander in Chief, was kept out of the loop for two weeks while he proved his total incompetence by blaming the attack on a film maker.

    Those who think that Utahns under serve have redefined service. Utah has the highest participation rate of unpaid service volunteers in the nation. Tens of thousands of unpaid service volunteers leave their homes in Utah every year to teach people that they have worth, that they can get off welfare, that they can be productive, that there is purpose to life. They use their own money to serve others.

    Democrats keep telling us that Republicans don't care, but how many of them spend $10,000 to pay for each volunteer's two-year service?

  • Ying Fah Provo, UT
    Nov. 4, 2012 11:50 a.m.

    OK, the letter writer basis his opinion on "trivial" issues but has nothing to say about substantive issues. This speaks volumes. Nothing regarding major policy differences is mentioned which makes one wonder how seriously the letter writer takes his voting rights.

    We have just experienced the latest in a series of devastating storms. However, there is no reference to Romney's desire to eliminate FEMA. Nothing on how he wants to give that responsibility back to the states so that a state which is the target of massive destruction, a state where the infrastructure has been destroyed, has the responsibility for managing its recovery.

    There is no discussion on the matters of war and peace despite Romney's "claim" that he basically agrees with Obama, ignoring the fact that he is surrounded and advised by the same neocons who led Bush into Iraq. Romney's bellicose rhetoric about Iran a month ago apparently has no effect on this young man because fighting wars are, in the Republican mindset, fought by other people.

    Utah has the lowest per capita participation enlistment levels in the United States. Service to the nation, ironically, is of low priority in this ultra-conservative state.

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    Nov. 4, 2012 11:34 a.m.

    Huh? ". . . his abdication of responsibility while watching live video of Americans under attack by terrorists in Benghazi."

    Mr. Richards, where do you find lies like that?

  • Mad Hatter Provo, UT
    Nov. 4, 2012 11:28 a.m.

    Many of those professing a change in their voting pattern probably changed (if they ever voted for Obama in the first place which is seriously doubtful) when the Republican propaganda machine started their constant barrage of negative attacks against Obama in January, 2009.

    When people start out their comments by referring to the president as "Barack Hussein Obama", you know they have been hostile to this man since before Day 1. It's that same old flaming that they have engaged in from the beginning. The visceral dislike for this president is based more on old prejudices than from any real and honest difference of opinion. Just read what they write and you know that their attitudes were sealed in stone before the president took office.

    Most of the reasons people give are renditions of conservative talking points pushed by wingnut media. There is nothing unique or original in the positions expressed. It's just the Same Ol' Same Ol' partisan talk that has focused on Obama as "The Other" and "not a real American". Nothing new. And now we have all the "I voted for Obama and now I'm not" talk which probably is just more trolling the comments section.

  • Mike Richards South Jordan, Utah
    Nov. 4, 2012 11:26 a.m.

    Don't get sidetracked over Obama's fascination with "Big Bird". What we should be concerned with is his abdication of responsibility while watching live video of Americans under attack by terrorists in Benghazi.

    If you want to cast your vote for a Commander in Chief who stands up for Big Bird even while denying support for Americans under fire, then vote for him. May you be lucky enough to never need a leader to save you or someone you love who is under attack by terrorists.

    His oath of office means nothing to him: "I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."

    He lied for two weeks, telling us that a youtube video led to unplanned demonstrations when he had seen with his own eyes and heard with his own ears the terrorists who killed Americans.

  • Mark B Eureka, CA
    Nov. 4, 2012 10:41 a.m.

    You can vote for anyone you like, Jacob, but try in your thought process to separate style from substance. Do we just ignore all the attacks on Obama during his term in office because they didn't come from Romney personally? Sure, "Romnesia" was a little silly, but the purpose it had, reminding people of Romney's constant changes during the campaign, was serious and, I believe, truthful. Big Bird is about as specific as Romney has been when talking about future budget cuts. Cut the federal contribution to Public Broadcasting? It's too tiny to make any difference.

  • ugottabkidn Sandy, UT
    Nov. 4, 2012 10:38 a.m.

    And so after 4 years of vile accusations the like has never been seen in our nation's history you are bummed out but some petty sarcasim? You need a refund on your education because you don't know the difference between spin and out and out lies and that my friend is how to discern history. This campaign is like a neighor throwing his trash over my fence and calling the cops because I don't clean it up fast enough.

  • embarrassed Utahn! Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 4, 2012 10:28 a.m.

    And apparently Mitt Romney's false Jeep ads and many, many other debunked claims are NOT trivial.

    It is going to be a sweet Obama victory!

  • Ultra Bob Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Nov. 4, 2012 10:20 a.m.

    It is an unfortunate thing when after 4 years of college a person still cannot think for themselves.

  • Moderate Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 4, 2012 9:29 a.m.

    "In 2008, I was a college freshman and able to vote for the first time."
    Let's see... that would make you about 22 now... still eligible to be carried on your parents' health insurance. It is quite brave of you to vote for the man that pledges to take away that health coverage. I hope you have been blessed and free of pre-existing conditions.

    You are changing your vote because of "petty, trivial attacks". The result of your vote could have a very serious effect on your life.

  • dave Park City, UT
    Nov. 4, 2012 8:28 a.m.

    This is a troll letter There is no way it can be real. The GOP has set the bar to a new low with their attacks on the President. Both sides are disgraceful but the GOP is exponentially more guilty.

  • Ralph West Jordan Taylorsville, UT
    Nov. 4, 2012 8:27 a.m.

    While Obama may have started his petty campaign in the last few week, Romney started and is finishing with the same pettiness, not to mention the untruths and constant flip flopping. Keep the T shirt, you can wear it to an Obama victory rally and pretend you stuck to your guns!

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    Nov. 4, 2012 8:17 a.m.

    If 'Romnesia' and big bird changed your vote, you weren't much of an Obama supporter. There are far bigger issues at play than these silly things that come out in campaigns.

  • The Real Maverick Orem, UT
    Nov. 4, 2012 8:14 a.m.

    First and most important, so what? Neither candidate needed your vote in this state. Romney? He is going to win by a landslide in this state regardless of who you voted for. He would merely come here to Utah not to campaign but to use it as as ATM machine.

    Obama? Ha ha, he doesn't need this state.

    Secondly, if you're really going to let Big Bird and Romnesia ruffle your feathers then

    A. You weren't really a supporter of him anyway.
    B. You're rewarding Mitt's farrrrrr worse behavior.

    I am not a parent yet but I know that parents shouldn't reward their children for bad behavior. It only perpetuates it further. The GOP's horrific behavior for the past decade but particularly during the Obama administration should NOT be rewarded.

    Do you not remember what they did under Bush? Do you really want to hand them the keys already?

    Do you not remember how they have attacked Obama and his family?

    If you're being honest and rewarding good behavior then you'll reward Obama. His campaign hasn't been nearly as negative or hostile as the GOP's.

  • Mike in Cedar City Cedar City, Utah
    Nov. 4, 2012 7:37 a.m.

    Why do I doubt that this writer ever voted for Obama. Trivial attacks? Good grief how do they compare with the outright lies being pushed by the Romney Campaign? You know, the continuing lie about Jeep jobs being outsourced to China, that he made the economy worse lie, the "you didn't build that distortion", the lie that Obama "doubled the deficit". But the author is pained by a few humorous coments about big bird. Give me a break!

  • Mountanman Hayden, ID
    Nov. 4, 2012 6:59 a.m.

    Welcome home Jared! I agree with you completely!

  • George Bronx, NY
    Nov. 4, 2012 1:36 a.m.

    A gee your vote was the one Obama really needed to win Utah. I am sure he is broken hearted.