@markJake Tapper of ABC News doesn't seem to think it's
such a wild claim that there is a cover-up. Read "The Benghazi
Drip-Drip-Drip," published Nov 1, 2012.The claims about Woods
and requests for help come from Jennifer Griffin of Fox News, Oct. 26, 2012,
"CIA operators were denied request for help during Benghazi attack, sources
say." Her story is based on sources who were on the ground in Benghazi.The seven-hour time window of the attacks is confirmed by a CIA timeline
provided to the Washington Post and other news organizations, reported on by
David Ignatius.Since it's impossible to prove a negative,
I'll put the burden of proof on you to show that 1) there was a
demonstration outside the embassy in Benghazi, and 2) it was about a video. You
will not be able to produce evidence for either of these wild claims, because
they didn't happen. In the process, perhaps you will convince yourself
that Obama lied.But I won't count on it.
Nate, I am challenging the claims on Benghazi. If you can't tell which
ones are the wild claims, well I don't know what to say. But the claims
starting with there is a cover up all the way to this was a kidnapping plot by
the president, to the president murdering these people. The claims that help was
not allowed to respond. The claim Wood ignored orders, or was even ordered not
to respond. The claim this was a seven hour long battle. The claim that this had
nothing to do with the video. The claim that Obama lied. In fact just about
every claim that the right and conspiracy theorists have made, Nate. And guess what, nobody, still, has presented one single shred of evidence to
back up any of these claims. Remember, there is a huge difference between
accusations and assumptions, and evidence. Did you want to present
some evidence, Nate? Just remember, all I ask is be precise, and cite your
@mark "I have made this challenge now at least half a dozen times on these
threads and have yet to have someone take me up on it."When you
direct your challenge to those making "wild claims," don't be
surprised that no one engages.Be specific about which claims you are
challenging, and it will probably lead to a better discussion.
Hillary taking responsibility for the commander? The commander can't tell
the difference between a video, and a terrorist attack?Again! Obama
takes responsibility for nothing. I'm surprised he hasn't come out
with another executive order to stop an investigation.
"Seeking truth is not advanced by repeating ONLY those facts conveneint to
Obama"Counter, you are absolutely correct, but the truth is also
not found in repeating only facts that make Obama look bad, regardless of
context. It is also not found in people making wildly inflammatory accusations
with absolutely no sense or evidence to back them. As far as the
parents, while I deeply empathize with their terrible grief, there is no reason
to think they would have any significant understanding, beyond what has been
reported, of events in Benghazi. Using these parents to advance, or advocate,
any position on Benghazi can be seen as nothing but sensationalism. To be clear,
I think the parents have every right to speak their minds, but I also think it
would be a disservice to an understanding of the situation to accept, at face
value, what they say as evidence of any sort of impropriety on the
administrations part. Remember, if in hindsight it can be shown that
mistakes were made that is not an indication that there was malfeasance.
Unfortunately mistakes happen. But tell you the truth, I have seen no evidence
that there were even any mistakes made.
@truthseekerI agree that in context; Obama's "optimal"
comment was not as inflammatory as it sounds out of context. However, the
context of Obama's "optimal" statement does not alter or change, in
any way, the comments made by the mother and father of murdered personnel. She
still said “My son is not very optimal - he is also very dead”
regardless of the intent of Obama's original statement.I find
it ironic that you state "Republicans are merely using this issue for
political football before all the facts can be assembled and analyzed."
Then you proceed to present only one set of facts, condemning Romney, while
completely ignoring the larger picture that Romney honored the woman of your
example's request, while ignoring (then trivializing them when caught
ignoring them) TWO parents who severely criticized Obama over the same incident.
So what exactly is the point of your arguments about the "context" of
Obama's "optimal" statement besides diversion from the fact that
you took quotes out of context? Aren't you merely playing political
football by demanding context while failing to provide it yourself?Seeking truth is not advanced by repeating ONLY those facts conveneint to
@ute phranc like the typical liberal did not waste any time playing the race
card on you.Soooo predictable from those folks. In absence of facts
in trying to defend the indefensible the one thing they resort to is Race.
Phranc lost all credibility with that remark.
Okay, I'll extend my challenge again:For all of you making
these wild claims, please provide evidence. My only requirement is that you are
precise, and you cite sources. I have made this challenge now at
least half a dozen times on these threads and have yet to have someone take me
up on it.
The liberal spinning machine is in high gear.
Re:CounterIntellContext matters. Stewart told the
president, in regard to the administration's performance in the aftermath
of the attacks, that "I would say and even you would admit it was not the
optimal response - at least to the American people as far as all of us being on
the same page." "Here is what I will say, if four Americans
get killed it is not optimal," the president responded. "And we are
going to fix it, all of it." Condoleeza Rice defended the Obama
Administration’s handling of the attack on the U.S. consulate in Benghazi.
“When things are unfolding very, very quickly, it’s not always easy
to know what is really going on on the ground,” Condi
continued: “So there’s a big picture to be examined here. But we
don’t have all of the pieces, and I think it’s easy to try and jump
to conclusions about what might have happened here. It’s probably better
to let the relevant bodies do their work.”
@ute full lying mode? prove it. Oh that right you can't because
despite Mohkats claim there is no evidence. to support your conspiracy theory. I
think spring street is right. I think the whole thing not just the press
conferences was filmed on that same sound stage, I don't know if you
noticed that one terrorist looked a little to much like Charlie Sheen to me. Once again referring to President Obama as "boy" is in very poor
taste given that words very racist history.
@TruthseekerYou mentioned that Romney was asked to stop referring to a
woman’s son on the campaign stump because she didn’t want his death
politicized (even though his comments were complimentary in tone) – and he
didBut you forgot to also mention that the mother of another
American killed during the terrorist raid blasted Obama’s statement that
Benghazi was not very “optimal” by responding “My son is not
very optimal - he is also very dead.”A man whose son died in
Benghazi described officials who refused to send help (Obama) as
“murderers of my son.”One can prove the earth is flat if facts
are chosen selectively enough It is fascinating how many of the standard
progressive on this site think that playing Ostrich will somehow save Obama from
his own amorality. Simply because facts are ignored on MSNBC does not mean
that they do not exist. In a world of New Media; traditional left-wing media
brainwashing tactics have imploded; which I am sure is frustrating to the
politically correct flat earth society – but it is very liberating to
Truthseeker,Have you heard Romney talk about it since? Then why are you
talking about it? I can guess. You are trying to deflect attention from the
Benghazi debacle. Why was it ok for Obama to use the death toll in Iraq and
Afghanistan against Mccain in 08? He did exactly what you are whining about.
The fact is that this whole situation was handled poorly and it does not look
good on the Administration. That is why people are demanding a gag order. Sure
there are political implications on this incident. Obama is avoiding discussing
this whole thing because of politics. He is waiting until after the election.
Are you outraged that he is being political?
Do they really expect us to believe this. Look at all the evidence that has
surfaced so far. Do you trust this Government? This reminds me of the story
where the wife catches the husband in an act of infidelity. He tries to convince
her it is not what she thinks. He finally says to her are you going to believe
me or your lying eyes.
There was no order to stand down. There is no cover-up. Fox News is lying to
you. Stop believing them.
You know what I think those on the far right got this one right. I think this is
all a grand conspiracy. That whole rose garden press conference and the two the
following day where filmed on the same sound stage as the moon landing and the
part of Obama was played by elvis.
@riflemanno smoke screen just the same false claims by you with no proof
to support them.
Its got to be either the video, George Bush, or Hillary Clinton. Obama would
have done as the British, and got our boys out, had he been informed of the
barry groupies:the truth will come out and your boy and his thugs will be
held to account. evidence? how much do we need when they are in a full lying
mode. four more days and hopefully he'll step out before january....hope
Re: spring street SALT LAKE CITY, UT"and the wild conspiracies roll
on. Show us the evidence people."Based on this story line why
the smoke screen the Obama Administration put out regarding an anti-Muslim
video? This has the same smell as the Operation Fast and Furious cover up
attempt .... that failed.
Re:HemlockAt a news conference the day after the ambassador and
three other Americans were killed, a spokesman for Ansar al-Shariah praised the
attack as the proper response to such an insult to Islam. “We are saluting
our people for this zeal in protecting their religion, to grant victory to the
prophet,” the spokesman said.....The fighters said at the time
that they were moved to act because of the video, which had first gained
attention across the region after a protest in Egypt that day. The assailants
approvingly recalled a 2006 assault by local Islamists that had destroyed an
Italian diplomatic mission in Benghazi over a perceived insult to the prophet.
In June the group staged a similar attack against the Tunisian Consulate over a
different film, according to the Congressional testimony of the American
security chief at the time, Eric A. Nordstrom.
and the wild conspiracies roll on. Show us the evidence people.
History is written by the victors. The WH said the attack was a spontaneous
demonstration in protest to the video - no facts to support this. The attack
lasted 7 hours - no time to help those being attacked? Two weeks later
Ambassador Susan Rice still hadn't received the party line. Jay
Carney's fabulists account of "lots of emails," "we didn't
know" and that no requests for security were received before hand all speak
to a not so clever re-writing of history.
@BYUalum, You are right on, I too lived through the Watergate scandal and agree,
the press is dead. The spin coming out on this scandel is rediculous. This is the part of the story that blows me away, "The intelligence
officials told reporters Thursday that when the CIA annex received a call about
the assault, about a half dozen members of a CIA security team tried to get
heavy weapons and other assistance from the Libyans. But when the Libyans failed
to respond, the security team, which routinely carries small arms, went ahead
with the rescue attempt". First of all why is the CIA protecting the
embassy, it should be the Military and why are we asking the Libyans for
Weapons? The USA is the greatest Nation on earth with the best Military on
earth (at least it was 4 years ago) so why are we protecting our Embassy with
small handguns in the part of Libya know for Alcaida Training Camps and also
known as the most dangerous part of Libya there is, oh that is right I forgot
Alcaida died with Bin Landen, silly me.
I lived through the Watergate scandal. One ambitious reporter with a "deep
throat" connections inside the Nixon administration delivered the goods on
that coverup. The Benzhazi, Libya disaster with a dead ambassador and 3
Americans is proving to be a far greater coverup for the current administration
than Watergate ever was during Nixon's term. There is so much hard evidence
that all the higher up "knew" and did nothing to send support to save
these men's lives. Yet, the administration gets away with blaming the cause
being a video and "ongoing investigation!"During Watergate,
it was constant news coverage. Now it seems it is constant news coverup. Only on
talk radio and FOX network can you find any reporting of investigating
highlights! It is very disappointing to not have this Benghazi coverup exposed
for what it is. Where is the news media and why aren't they all over this
story? It should be the greatest story of the election. We need new
leadership in this country! Vote wisely November 6 for proven leadership and a
new honest, principled path for our country!
The counter-terrorism force at Sigonella wanted to go in, but were told to stand
down. The State Department -- which had responsibility to request military
support -- did not make that request. The ultimate decision on whether to send
forces into Libya would need to be made by the president.He voted
Apparently US bribe money is still vigorously flowing in Iraq. I hope it has
stopped in Lybia (but I doubt it).
How long does it take for criminal investigations to be completed within the
U.S.?Republicans are merely using this issue for politiical football
before all the facts can be assembled and analyzed.The mother of a
U.S. Navy SEAL veteran killed in last month's Libya consulate attack has
asked GOP presidential candidate Mitt Romney to stop using her son's name
in his political speeches.Barbara Doherty stated "I don't
trust Romney. He shouldn't make my son's death part of his political
agenda. It's wrong to use these brave young men, who wanted freedom for
all, to degrade Obama," Doherty told Boston news station WHDH-TV in response
to the candidate sharing at a family farm speech in Iowa about the time he met
former her son a number of years ago.