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Published: Friday, Nov. 2 2012 12:00 a.m. MDT

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slcgal
Salt Lake City, UT

What is disturbing is that you complain that taxes and public and municipal service fees are higher compared to neighboring cities.
And while you complain of the increases, ya'll are secretly happy, because these are the same monies you are confiscating and expecting to run your city.
If you think you are paying too much in taxes and service fees, please move somewhere where you will pay less, receive less and stop complaining and leave us alone. Please move, Holladay and Cottonwood Heights are waiting for you.

StateTheFacts
SAlt Lake City, UT

Do you live in Disney Land? The good deal is your total tax bill residing in Millcreek Township is approximately 33% less than Cottonwood Heights and your total tax bill is about the same as Holladay, except you receive less police and fire service in Holladay. Such a distortion of facts. Your proposed fairyland new city will cost more, risk the our police services (your financial analysis prescribes a 15% reduction in police officers on the street), and your fiefdom will add double taxation and representation. Get real, VOTE NO to the city of Millcreek!

The Real Maverick
Orem, UT

It's pretty obvious that there's a "static." There's a very small but vocal minority who want YES on this. Everyone else? Doesn't want this.

I hope it fails. I grow tired of the vocal minority ruining it for the rest of us whether it be locally or nationally. Eagles Forum or Wall Street.

my2centsworth
salt lake, UT

The word says TAXES, but the meaning is RESPONSIBILITY. VOTE YES, why? Here a few good reasons:

It is long overdue that the residents of Millcreek take RESPONSIBILITY for our municipal services. This after all, this is the only significant taxing authority a city controls.

It is our RESPONSIBILITY to directly elect and make answerable the people who make our municipal decisions.

Review what the County mayoral and County council candidates discuss. You will find that almost exclusively, they discuss regional County issues. This is, rightly, the focus of the SLCO government. About the only exception to this is if they are asked specifically about a municipal issue such as the incorporation ballot.

Millcreek residents have a RESPONSIBILITY to our own municipal issues. It is our CIVIC DUTY and to expect others to handle it for us is just not reasonable.

If you think Millcreek Township is a great place to live; if you think our businesses like Home Depot, REI, St. Marks, Smith's, Dan's, are valuable; if you enjoy our celebrations; if you want a voice in its continued success; if you want it preserved; then,

VOTE YES TO THE CITY OF MILLCREEK.

Skyline77
Salt Lake , UT

State the Facts: Where are your facts. The tax rate for SLCo and UPD and UFA combined is .004153 and Cottonwood Heights is .002654. If you believe in facts, that puts SLCo rates at 156% of Cottonwood Heights. There are no other Franchise taxes etc in Cottonwood Heights.
Even if you paid full Franchise Fees with Holladay or Taylorsville, SLCo property taxes would be significantly more. In dollars, Millcreek will be taxes $4,000,000 or more this year than they would by any of these other Cities. It is all about local leaders who are directly responsible to Millcreek spending enough time and effort to be effective and efficient in providing services. SLCo is neither. Voting for Millcreek City is the only rational, logical thing to do. Vote for your freedom from taxation without representation!

StateTheFacts
SAlt Lake City, UT

Simple Skyline77. Take the total of all taxes paid as a resident of cottonwood heights -- the sum of all taxes on the tax notice; divide by the home valuation and you'll calculate a %. Do the same thing for your property in the unincorporated area; compare the "% to valuation" --you'll be surprised and you then you might just stop spreading such foolish myths. Further, "freedom from taxation without representation" do you live in the 1600's, colonial Virginia? Really, we have fair and honest representation -- we pay and vote for ONE Mayor and ONE council, a group of nine people. Ask your tax-burdened friends in cottonwood heights how many mayors and councils they vote for-- that's right TWO mayors and TWO councils. That is double taxation and double representation. Move to cottonwood heights if you prefer, don't inflict this silliness on our quiet neighborhoods.

Farmintown
Salt Lake City, Utah

StateTheFacts is correct, when you look at this holistically (taking it as a whole), unincorporated County is near the lower middle on total net taxes for property owners County wide. Also cities distribute funding for services differently, but at least on the property tax it is income tax deductible (net improvement from the separate UPD fee which has to be paid somehow and better than speedtraps). The ones a little lower like Murray with it's large retail tax base, 100 year maturity and a cash cow in its power company or Holladay, where by their own admission subscribe to lower service levels for police and fire, now struggling with the loss of Cottonwood Mall for the time. Holladay has a single old fire station (yes they are building a new one to replace that one), but should have three for its population, translate that into higher insurance premiums for homeowners and businesses. So given a preference, stay with the top rated County municipal services and if Murray would take us (they won't dilute their enviable tax base) by annexation is far, far better than being "annexed" into a new unknown, immature fiefdom of extreme activists. Vote NO to incorporation!

CommunityCouncil
Millcreek, UT

Bravo Andrea! 85% of the residents in SL County live in cities. If living in a city is such a crummy experience, then why aren't areas like townships flooded with housing inquiries? Simple cities have their own identities and community. The VOLUNTEERS working on Millcreek Community Councils lobbied UDOT to change the I-80 sign at 2300 East to Millcreek. The VOLUNTEERS took on the US Postal Service - You can Legally and Lawfully use Millcreek on your US mail! The VOLUNTEERS working on Millcreek Community Councils have knit together events here in Millcreek - Venture Outdoors Festival, Millcreek Movie Nights and Emergency Prepare Fair. These quality events are the 'stuff' of professional organizations. What many people fail to realize is that Millcreek volunteers have dedicated thousands of hours to make these events a reality for our residents. We've proposed budgets, prepared grant requests, secured underwriting from local businesses, and executed these events just like a 'real local government' would. Yet, the Utah State Constitution says that Townships have 'no legal or political identity seperate from the county'. (Title 17, Ch 27a, Section 103). I argue that Millcreek DOES have its' own identity. The time is now, the vote is YES!

StateTheFacts
SAlt Lake City, UT

Mount Olympus, East Mill Creek, Canyon Rim and Millcreek have identities has separate, independent, unique neighborhoods. Folks for this new ill-advised “city” desire tax dollars to fund what their tired poor volunteers produce, really? CimmunityCouncil, volunteerism is not on trial in this debate, insane duplication of government, more government, unnecessary government, costly government, inefficient government is on trial. The July 4th East Mill Creek parade will continue for years to come because of volunteerism. You are advocating tax payers should subsidize community events like movie nights and a commercial advertisement show like Outdoor Festival—have you considered that if folks don’t want to pay for these events, then maybe volunteers should save their time. Yet, you are so free to spend taxpayer $$’s for non-essential services. What is it you and your ilk don’t understand, our current level of essential government services are more than adequate, thank you. Why do you insist your silly new city should take care of us cradle to grave—take a short review of the Federal budget to re-order your priorities? VOTE NO to city of Millcreek.

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