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  • WON84 PLANO, TX
    Nov. 13, 2012 9:08 a.m.

    These debates about conference affiliation are meaningless when the teams in discussion play around .500 ball...

  • MLH SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Nov. 6, 2012 10:32 a.m.

    Sports Fan

    I'm sorry but you have your facts wrong

    The talk of Utah and Colorado to join the PAC10 started in the 80's before Chris Hill was the Athletic Director. The Goal of the PAC10 Presidents was to create a Conference that was equal to the Ivy League on the west coast as far as academics but much more competitive in athletics. If the decision would have been left up to the athletic directors they would have stayed at 10, but commisioner Scott being hired by the Presidents not the AD's proceeded to try and make the PAC12 more powerful than just athletics, the Big12 south thing was NEVER going to happen, that was created by the media and ESPN. They brought in the two schools that worked well with the others established in the conference. If you think there is money in football, you cannot believe the money in mmedical research, engineering, and business. University Presidents got the PAC12 together, not AD's, Brigham Young was never a consideration nor was Baylor.

    Bottom Line:

    Utah and BYU are where they should be. Don't just think athletics all the time.

    PS I was there, I know

  • SportsFan Orem, UT
    Nov. 5, 2012 2:09 p.m.

    MLH

    It's nice to see a Utah fan admit that the quality of your athletic program had absolutely nothing to do with the Utes being invited to the PAC 12.

    Unfortunately, your "fact" are a little off.

    Utah wasn't didn't become a potential PAC expansion candidate until years after the Arizona schools joined. As far as academics, the PAC was more than willing to accept schools in the PAC 10-Big 12 South merger that were on the same research level as BYU.

    Ultimately, by the time the PAC was ready to expand, the religious bigots of the PAC had already decided that no religiously affiliated schools would be allowed to join the PAC, which is why Colorado was hastily invited to join the PAC, before the merger was finalized, to shut Baylor out of the merger.

    Utah simply benefitted from being a good fit geographically and culturally.

    If the decision had been left up to the PAC 10 Athletic Directors, most of them would have picked BYU over Utah because of BYU's superior athletic program.

    Bottom line:

    BYU could have easily handled joining the PAC 12, but it would have been impossible for Utah to successfully pull off Independence.

  • MLH SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Nov. 5, 2012 11:10 a.m.

    CG

    You have no idea what you are talking about. Colorado and Utah have been the two teams on the PAC12 list since the Arizona schools joined the conference. Colorado and Utah both have high quaility research that goes on. Between the two schools they both conform to the other schools that are in the league. BYU is a great school and it has it's own purpose but a religious school does not and will not be accepted by PAC12 Presidents. Purely by the fact of what is taught, that is neither a good thing or bad it is what it is. For you byu fans to think that it is only athletics you are wrong. You are who you are, the LDS religion keeps you out of things, but so what you choose to be kept out, and the PAC12 is one of those things.

    Cincinatti on your schedule is great I personally enjoy seeing the y get better opponents you fans deserve it, plus if not the best he is one of the best football players in our state is going there it will be fun to see him come back here and play the y.

  • No Conference Will Take Us SEATTLE, WA
    Nov. 2, 2012 11:19 p.m.

    sammyg the cougars outsmarted themselves in all the loses.

    I see where Ohio St. today signed up San Diego St. for 2013. Would have been interesting if that was BYU. Apparently we are not as appealing as once thought.

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    Nov. 2, 2012 6:59 p.m.

    Nitefowledup

    How did Utah, a resurch skool, with really smart resurch skool athletes, lose to a WAC skool like USU?

    Couldn't Utah just outsmart anyone on the field? Guess not at 1-4.

    Those resurch skool credentials mean nothing on the field.

    The arrogance is amazing.

  • panamadesnews Lindon, UT
    Nov. 2, 2012 1:55 p.m.

    From Greg Wrubel's article from Cougar Tracks

    Regarding the 2013 schedule, which has yet to be released despite indications it was all but complete, Holmoe had some news on that front, and it wasn't necessarily good news.

    "We had the schedule relatively set; we were done," said Holmoe, "and two teams, one of them under contract, asked to get out--which we did--and one team that was not under contract, but for all intents and purposes, it was was done...(they) bailed out."

    Holmoe said after the recent developments, he has had to move quickly for replacements in 2013.

    "I'm not even going to say 'scrambling,' because we had things on the back burner, so it was just a matter of sliding a few teams on to the front burner. We have one game that we are looking to finalize, and if we do that, it should be...it will be done."

    Holmoe adeed quickly that "I said that about a month ago, and about a week later, I put the curse on myself, and this one team bailed out, and that really put us back a month."

  • panamadesnews Lindon, UT
    Nov. 2, 2012 12:54 p.m.

    I wonder if the one uncontracted game could be the 13th game?

  • panamadesnews Lindon, UT
    Nov. 2, 2012 12:32 p.m.

    Here is the quote from Jeff Call's article about Tom Holmoe's WCC meeting: "Two contests that the Cougars were planning on for next season, including one that was already contracted, have fallen through recently, he said." Does that mean that one of them is one we do not know about? It appears that Holmoe would need to find two more games, or maybe three, if they are planning for 13 games next year (playing in Hawaii means you get an extra game if you wish). The schedule, as it now is, has eight games with dates and three, MTS, Utah, & Wash. St., without dates. MTS & Utah would be home games and Wash. St. would be an away game. The extra game would probably be another home game. There are 6 away games on the schedule, if you include the Wash. St. game, which is the away game without a date.

  • WACPaddingOurSchedule pocatello, ID
    Nov. 2, 2012 12:20 p.m.

    CG
    Orem, UT
    NightOwlAmerica

    BYU 10-3 #25/#26 (#34 in Sagarin) with a bowl win over #35 Tulsa

    is better than

    Utah 8-5 unranked (#39 in Sagarin) with a bowl win over #56 Georgia Tech

    last season

    AND

    BYU 5-4 is better than Utah 3-5

    this season

    That's just the way it is.

    btw, BYU BEAT the lowly WAC team that BEAT U this season.

    _____________________

    Yep that's the way it is. Utah plays in a conference with ranked teams.
    BYU loses to ranked teams.

  • WACPaddingOurSchedule pocatello, ID
    Nov. 2, 2012 12:17 p.m.

    CG
    Orem, UT
    upinthenight

    "So I guess every other conference can be blamed for dispicable prejudice according to your standards."

    Nope!

    The PAC 12 is the only conference that has openly demonstrated that they don't want any religiously-based school in their conference. It's reason Colorado was hastily invited to block Baylor from being included in the PAC-Big 12 South merger, and it's the main reason Utah was invited instead of BYU.

    Requiring a school to be a "research" university was simply the excuse that the PAC 12 fed to public. Some of the Big 12 South schools are on the same "research" level as BYU.

    ______________________

    LOL! This is what happens when you think the world revolves around your program!
    If you believe what you say, then how come BYU has not officially been invited to a power conference the past 40+ years?

    Can you say "openly demonstrated" again! 40+ years proves that! LOL!

    Your side needs to do RESEARCH before posting what you say. Baylor was an attempted forced throw-in by Texas politicians. They were never part of the original deal to join the PAC-12.

  • CG Orem, UT
    Nov. 2, 2012 11:04 a.m.

    NightOwlAmerica

    BYU 10-3 #25/#26 (#34 in Sagarin) with a bowl win over #35 Tulsa

    is better than

    Utah 8-5 unranked (#39 in Sagarin) with a bowl win over #56 Georgia Tech

    last season

    AND

    BYU 5-4 is better than Utah 3-5

    this season

    That's just the way it is.

    btw, BYU BEAT the lowly WAC team that BEAT U this season.

  • CG Orem, UT
    Nov. 2, 2012 10:55 a.m.

    upinthenight

    "So I guess every other conference can be blamed for dispicable prejudice according to your standards."

    Nope!

    The PAC 12 is the only conference that has openly demonstrated that they don't want any religiously-based school in their conference. It's reason Colorado was hastily invited to block Baylor from being included in the PAC-Big 12 South merger, and it's the main reason Utah was invited instead of BYU.

    Requiring a school to be a "research" university was simply the excuse that the PAC 12 fed to public. Some of the Big 12 South schools are on the same "research" level as BYU.

  • NightOwlAmerica SALEM, OR
    Nov. 2, 2012 10:44 a.m.

    CG said:

    "More whiney wishful thinking from the kids on the hill.

    Even as an Independent, BYU is enjoying more success than the lowly PAC 12 bottom dwelling Utes.

    It's even more laughable that the ONLY highlights of your first two seasons in the PAC, are wins versus the team that you're frantically hoping would just go away."

    More twisted logic from plant Provo and its satellite Orem.
    So you define continually losing to ranked teams as success as an independent?
    The highlights of your first two seasons as an indie are beating bottom feeder WAC teams.

  • BlueCoug Orem, UT
    Nov. 2, 2012 10:43 a.m.

    Duckhunted

    "nice you finally got another mid major to give you a home and home!!!"

    Cincinnati is from the same "bcs" conference a Pittsburgh, the team the Utes played in their first "bcs busting" bowl.

    The inconsistency and sheer ignorance of the jealous comments from the kids on the hill about EVERY BYU scheduling change are hilarious.

  • CG Orem, UT
    Nov. 2, 2012 10:28 a.m.

    #1 SLC Sports Fan

    More whiney wishful thinking from the kids on the hill.

    Even as an Independent, BYU is enjoying more success than the lowly PAC 12 bottom dwelling Utes.

    It's even more laughable that the ONLY highlights of your first two seasons in the PAC, are wins versus the team that you're frantically hoping would just go away.

  • DEW Cougars Sandy, UT
    Nov. 2, 2012 10:06 a.m.

    I wonder this was a sign that BYU going to join the BE? There was a talk about schedualing with SDSU. I wondered if Holmoe talked to Rudger U yet?

  • Wiscougarfan River Falls, WI
    Nov. 2, 2012 10:04 a.m.

    RE: #1 Sports fan

    According to your logic Indiana State should now be members of either the Big East, the ACC, or both instead of Notre Dame.

  • NightOwlAmerica SALEM, OR
    Nov. 2, 2012 9:50 a.m.

    Chris B's momma
    Idaho Falls, ID
    "Chris is right. If Utah and Colorado are good enough for the PAC then anyone, and I mean anyone, should be able to "join.". And everyone knows that BYU has a much stronger athletic program than Utah, who can only boast about the red rock and skiing.

    So one can only conclude that if BYU can't "join" the PAC it must be based on unreasoned and dispicable prejudice, something chris is very familiar with....."

    Conclusions like yours are posted by those that ignore facts.

    BYU and Boise St. for that matter do not fit the Pac 12 footprint for sports. In addition they are not research institutions.
    There is a whole list, to much information for this post as reasons why. Yet you don't take the time to look this up on your own anyway. It has been talked about many times over the past 18 months here.

    So I guess every other conference can be blamed for dispicable prejudice according to your standards.

  • byufan1993 Provo, , UT
    Nov. 1, 2012 11:52 p.m.

    Oh I'm sorry but I'm pretty sure they were unbeaten just week ago, and their only loss is to another unbeaten team.

  • Duckhunted highland, utah
    Nov. 1, 2012 11:47 p.m.

    nice you finally got another mid major to give you a home and home!!!

  • Osgrath Provo, UT
    Nov. 1, 2012 10:30 p.m.

    Is it too much to expect that comments on this board be logical and make a modicum of sense. Actually, by posing the question I violated my own rule. Of course they are not logical. Look at a comment made at 5:07 today. A writer who clearly could not care less about the LDS Church is telling us the Church conflicts with its own policies by allowing people the freedom to play in the NFL when given the opportunity.

    But to declare that BYU joining a major conference would be unfair to Utah State, and therefore such an invitation will never be extended goes beyond laughable. Like the Big 12, PAC 12 or even the SEC worries at all what effect their actions might have on some obscure state school in Logan.

    Mind you, I like Utah State. I greatly respect both Stew Morrell and Gary Anderson. I'm glad their football team is finally doing well. But for someone to say BYU should shut down its football program so that USU is not just ridiculous, it's plain dumb.

    1961 was a long time ago, dude! Let it go!

  • Floyd Johnson Broken Arrow, OK
    Nov. 1, 2012 9:45 p.m.

    #1 Sports Fan

    1) When considering BYU as a potential member, neither the Pac 12 nor the Big 12 are concerned with being "fair" to Utah State. And a move by BYU from Independence to league membership would have no perceptible impact on any other program in the region.
    2) I reject the premise that state schools have a more important mission than private schools. I also reject the premise that any school's athletic program is more important or of greater public value than any other.
    3) I am flabbergasted that you are of the opinion that the action of any conference or athletic program could have a detrimental effect so profound as to handicap Utah Sate for more than a few years. The Aggies have succeeded and failed on their own merit over the last half century.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Nov. 1, 2012 9:06 p.m.

    Nice series. I like it. This is why I like independence, BYU has a lot of interesting opponents coming up over the enxt decade that they never would have played if they were in a conference. It just gets better and better.

  • mightymite DRAPER, UT
    Nov. 1, 2012 8:33 p.m.

    Really? Even the author of the story got it wrong with the Ohio concept.. Furthermore, Cincy is not that great of a program.. BYU is in pretty bad shape.

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Nov. 1, 2012 8:22 p.m.

    Not a bad home and home. Congrats cougs and coug fans.

  • Chris B's momma Idaho Falls, ID
    Nov. 1, 2012 8:21 p.m.

    Chris is right. If Utah and Colorado are good enough for the PAC then anyone, and I mean anyone, should be able to "join.". And everyone knows that BYU has a much stronger athletic program than Utah, who can only boast about the red rock and skiing.

    So one can only conclude that if BYU can't "join" the PAC it must be based on unreasoned and dispicable prejudice, something chris is very familiar with.

    PS. We heard you lost your secret basketball game! Sad if your best win is the intrasquad scrimmage this year.

  • Y Grad / Y Dad Richland, WA
    Nov. 1, 2012 7:40 p.m.

    #1 SLC Sports Fan

    I'm sorry, but was just weird.

  • I'll call it Ogden, UT
    Nov. 1, 2012 7:18 p.m.

    These "schedule watch" stories are great reads. Give us more! Give us more!

  • Pavalova Surfers Paradise, AU
    Nov. 1, 2012 6:57 p.m.

    The fact that they went Indy allows us all to watch more games each week on tv. Unlike other programs in the state, BYU is on tv. That alone is a reason to stay indy. Well done cougs.

  • Utah'95 FPO, AE
    Nov. 1, 2012 6:43 p.m.

    Good home and home deal for the Cougars. Congratulations!

  • IndeMak South Jordan, UT
    Nov. 1, 2012 5:39 p.m.

    No way! Not the Bearcats. This is huge!

  • #1 SLC Sports Fan Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 1, 2012 5:07 p.m.

    If BYU is so serious about staying in the WCC, why not just drop the football program? Oh wait, it's supposed to be a missionary tool. But doesn't sending players on to the NFL conflict with the church's recently reaffirmed policy on keeping the Sabbath?

    BYU will NEVER join one of the big leagues like the Big 12 (the Pac-12 has made it loud and clear they don't want BYU!), not due to the "no sunday play" rule people beat like a dead horse on these boards, but becasue it would NEVER be fair to Utah State for BYU to be in the Big 12 with Utah already in the Pac-12. State schools like Utah State have a much more imporatant post-graduate mission than religious schools like BYU. So hence my argument that BYU should just start planning exit strategy for their football program and let the Aggies have their program back BYU took away in 1961 when Utah State was left out of league realignment

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Nov. 1, 2012 3:25 p.m.

    That's a good get for BYU and a nice series. Cincy has a good program.

  • --JEFFE-- Cedar City, UT
    Nov. 1, 2012 3:16 p.m.

    I dont understand how anyone could not love Independence? Obviously being a member of a good conference would be ideal, but the one conference that BYU would be a good fit for (Big 12) is clearly not interested. So the only options were to stay in the Mtn West, or go Independent.

    Personally I think Independence is the absolute best route for such a unique university. 8-10 games on ESPN each year, regular match-ups with top 10 programs, National exposure, More revenue, larger recruiting pool, ect. Honestly Independence is hard to beat, especially for a Private religious institution in little Provo, Utah. Granted, it is essential that we put together winning seasons to stay relevant. I think the depth and talent at BYU are vastly improving, and with some coaching adjustments/changes (ANDY REID-wishful thinking...) BYU could see some serious success with Independence. Future schedules are coming together and looking very competitive and much more exciting.

  • Riddles in the Dark Olympus Cove, Utah
    Nov. 1, 2012 2:57 p.m.

    caleb in new york

    You're exactly right; Holmoe has already said that none of the games under contract (and thus announced) were affected, so it's obviously games that haven't been announced that were cancelled. I've also heard that Tom had tentative games "on the back burner" that have now been moved to the front burner, so it's unlikely that he's starting from scratch trying fill the two open slots for next season.

    btw, BYU plays in Hawaii next season, so BYU's schedule will include 13 games.

  • Snack PAC Olympus Cove, Utah
    Nov. 1, 2012 2:50 p.m.

    Although he's not saying so, Chris B is also wondering why Utah's PAC 12 trophy case is STILL empty!

    If he promises not to deface it, maybe we could send him a photo of BYU's National Championship trophy to put in Utah's trophy case, until the Utes get one of their own.

    It's the least we could do for our little brothers.

  • Truth Machine Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 1, 2012 2:41 p.m.

    "Maybe a WAC championship is just too much to pass up?"

    U obviously wouldn't know, since, after 38 years in the WAC, the Utes' WAC trophy case is practically empty.

    btw, the WAC will cease to exist as a football conference next season, but, not to worry, I've heard that the Hill has the Big Sky conference on speed dial.

  • WON84 PLANO, TX
    Nov. 1, 2012 2:32 p.m.

    "When your opening position is "we want to retain television broadcast rights", you don't get invited.

    Utah (PAC12), TCU (Big12), and Boise (Big East) didn't have that demand, and they're in."

    SoonerUte, two things I hate being a Texas grad, is right on. Though I don't think it's yet time for BYU to scrap the investment in Independence.

    If they run the table / lose a game and get shafted by the new system maybe then. Need to win games first though.

  • CdA Ute Mason, OH
    Nov. 1, 2012 2:29 p.m.

    Welcome BYU fans to Cincinnati. Cincy is beautiful in the fall. There are great local eateries everywhere and the locals are easy-going. When you visit please to not be disappointed that there is no WKRP. Although, I got my undergrad at the U, my master's was done at Cincinnati. We love this area and hope you enjoy it as well. Go Bearcats (& Utes)!

  • So. Cal Reader San Diego, CA
    Nov. 1, 2012 2:17 p.m.

    Cincinnati is a non-WAC team, which is a good thing. But, this series doeesn't get me too excited.

  • Johnny Triumph American Fork, UT
    Nov. 1, 2012 2:15 p.m.

    BYU will continue to pull off series with good schools, here's to hoping that joining the Big East is NOT a possibility. If BYU were that desperate then it would just make sense to go back to the MWC.

  • Black Knight American Fork, UT
    Nov. 1, 2012 2:12 p.m.

    BYU has played a team from Ohio twice: Bowling Green. Both games in Provo.
    1975 Bowling Green 23 BYU 21
    1983 BYU 63 Bowling Green 28

  • SoonerUte Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 1, 2012 2:01 p.m.

    ChrisB wonders "Why don't you guys just join the pac 12 or big 12?"
    One doesn't "just join" a BCS conference. They invite you to join.
    When your opening position is "we want to retain television broadcast rights", you don't get invited.

    Utah (PAC12), TCU (Big12), and Boise (Big East) didn't have that demand, and they're in.

  • caleb in new york Glen Cove, NY
    Nov. 1, 2012 1:23 p.m.

    my hunch regarding the lost games (as mentioned in the Jeff Call article the past few days about agreements that fell through) is that the article referred to games that have not yet been announced rather than to any of the 10 or 11 games that have already been announced for the 2013 season.

  • eastcoastcoug Danbury, CT
    Nov. 1, 2012 1:08 p.m.

    Caleb,

    I beg to differ. I would love to see BYU in the Big East. I'm not a big fan of this independence...it has no point other than for LDS people to be able to watch game reruns at midnight on fuzzy BYU TV.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 1, 2012 1:07 p.m.

    Why don't you guys just join the pac 12 or big 12?

    Maybe a WAC championship is just too much to pass up?

    To each their own

  • caleb in new york Glen Cove, NY
    Nov. 1, 2012 12:47 p.m.

    I hope a series like this is evidence that BYU is not joining the Big East for football anytime soon.

  • Wiscougarfan River Falls, WI
    Nov. 1, 2012 12:42 p.m.

    This is great news... a quality November opponent. It sounds like we may lose 1-2 good games next year so filling the future calendars with quality opponents comes at a very good time.

  • Rockwell Baltimore, MD
    Nov. 1, 2012 12:40 p.m.

    It'll be fun playing the Bearcats and playing in the State of Ohio for the first time. More October/November games are a sign that BYU's short-term scheduling kinks are starting to be ironed out.

  • Whoa Nellie American Fork, UT
    Nov. 1, 2012 12:17 p.m.

    Nice!