Democrats are in about the same ideological place they were in during the
seventies. The Republicans have moved so far to the right that the Democrats
seem left in comparison, but that is not the case. Let me give you
just one example: When Gerald Ford appointed John Paul Stevens to the high court
he was considered a mainstream moderate Republican. When he left the court, he
was its most liberal member. Yet his politics never changed, what happened is
that the court and the society around him moved far to the right, leaving a
former moderate conservative looking liberal.
The letter is actually incorrect, imagine that.The Republicans have
moved further to the right in the last 4 years than the Democrats have moved to
the left in the last 100 years.The current Republican party is so
right that they are now against ideas that they were pushing 5 years ago. They
say those ideas are socialist in nature.To see just how far to the
right the current Republican party has gone, Reagan, Bush I, Ford, Nixon and
even Bush II would all be considered either a straight out Democrat or a RINO at
best.They didn't move to the left, the party moved to the far
right. That move to the far right is what makes the Democrats seem like they
are far left. What is funny is that even the Democrats moved to the right, just
not as fast as the Republicans which increased the gap between them.Remember, it was Republicans who originally pushed for the current Health Care
law, TARP, Sequestering and raising military spending at the same time they
objected to paying for 2 wars and Medicare Part D.
Re: Makid Kearns, UT"The Republicans have moved further to the right
in the last 4 years than the Democrats have moved to the left in the last 100
years."Those of us old enough to know realize that conservative
republicans have shifted left, and would make yesteryear's liberals blush.
Our current views on traditional marriage are a classic example.By-the-way, the Democrats that complain about Hatch having served 6 terms in
the Senate are perfectly comfortable voting for Matheson .... who has served 6
terms in the House.
"Even worse, it becomes more likely that to gain some hearing with his party
he will have to sacrifice Utah values as a compromise."Yeah, the
national Democratic party is dumping millions and millions of dollars into this
race (as are the national Republicans on the side of Love) just so that they can
ignore Matheson once he gets re-elected? Yeah, that doesn't make much
sense.Rifleman-"By-the-way, the Democrats that complain
about Hatch having served 6 terms in the Senate are perfectly comfortable voting
for Matheson .... who has served 6 terms in the House."Come on
now, you're being disingenuous. 12 years in the House vs 36 years in the
Senate? You think those are comparable? The median age in the state of Utah is
29, that means that the vast MAJORITY of the residents of this state
weren't even born when Orrin Hatch first took office.
No vote is wasted.
Re: isrred South Jordan, UT"12 years in the House vs 36 years in the
Senate?"Yes, I fully realize the "time" difference. If
the tables were turned however the Democrats would be referencing the
"term" and not the "time". You don't think politicians
play that game? I was curious to see who would be the first to raise an
objection to my observation :)
I generally disagree with the author of this editorial. Every vote should be
counted and if Matheson wins, then his record, voting patterns, and world view
will rightly represent our district.Except for his vote for house
leadership, I would be pleased with that. His vote for house
leadership is his fatal flaw and I will be supporting Mia Love for that reason
and that reason alone.
It seems that some Democrats have some memory problems. JFK said, "Ask not
what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country."Obama thinks we can't buy aspirin without his help. He thinks that
we can't go to school without his help. He thinks that we can't build
our own homes and our own businesses without his help.Matheson
parrots everything that Obama preaches.The Democrats have totally
lost sight of what it means to be a free and responsible American.
If Jim Matheson and his party are socialists what does that make Mia Love and
In my lifetime, especially in the Senate, the Democrats have moved way far to
the left. Harry Reid used to be considered a "conservative Democrat" in
the years prior to his becoming a Senate Leader. Now he's so far left,
he's scary. That proves one thing to me. That is George Soros runs the
Grundle: in the last two votes for House Leadership, Matheson did NOT vote along
with his party for Nanci Pelosi. Since that fatal flaw is gone, I guess he can
count on your vote.
So long as Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity and Glenn Beck control the minds of the
Right -- Republicans will continue their demise intot the
uber-far-right-wing abyss,dragging the moderate/centrist RINOs with
them.Is it any wonder 38% of Americans have left the GOP completely
and are now Independant voters?
Re: "Democrats are in about the same ideological place they were in during
the seventies."Yeah, and we sure can't wear that as a badge
of honor.Think back to the seventies [if you can -- at my age, I
remember them better than I do what I had for breakfast this morning]. They
started out with a lot of radicalism, anti-war protests, and the abandonment of
Vietnam and Cambodia. There were race riots and Southern Democrats were still
resisting desegregation. Everything, from draft cards to police cars to bras,
was burning. Then, the seventies ended with Jimmy Carter, arguably the worst US
president and ex-president ever.There's darn little for a
Democrat to be proud of in the seventies. Suggesting today's party is in
the same place as it was in the seventies doesn't recommend us very highly.
To Rifleman: I would say the entire country has moved in more libertarian
direction on social issues. I don't base my vote on social issues because
ultimately the law in those areas will reflect the will of society. George W Bush was president for eight years, the Republicans controlled both
houses of congress for a majority of that time, and throughout the whole period
the Supreme Court consisted of of 7 Republicans and 2 Democrats. At the end of
it all, abortion was still legal and several states had approved gay marriage.
It is on economic issues that the Republicans have gone far to the
right. Presidents like Eisenhower, Nixon, and Ford accepted high taxes on the
rich, supported unions, supported some regulations on business, and thought some
social programs were worth it, even though they usually went for lower funding
than Democrats. When I say I'm an Eisenhower Republican, that's what I
mean. No one in today's Republican party supports any of those things.
Maverick,statesmen, constitutionalists, public servantsRoland7 repubs and 2 dems? not hardlyLDS Lib,as long
as George Soros controls the minds on the left...(and they don't even
realize it)BTW, more people identify themselves as conservative than
liberal. Gallup January 2012 40% conservative, 21% liberal.Calm
down, don't give yourself a stroke
Dear Mr. Thorpe, Please don't use the term "Utah
Values." What does that mean anyway? It sounds elitist and
self-aggrandizing.We need Jim Matheson because he brings a little
bit of balance to a system that has lost its equilibrium, but mostly because it
ticks off the Republican power structure. Apparently, political balance is not a
@Demo DaveUtah Values=Mormon Values.
I get really weary of the notion that without Limbaugh, Hannity and Beck there
would be no conservative thinkers. They are not the creators of conservatism.
They are the voice of conservatism. Not to worry liberals. There are
many voices for your views too. Colbert report and many others at Comedy
CentralRachel Maddow and Chris Matthews at MSNBCBill Maher at HBOI could go on, but you get the idea. The conservatives only
get aired on one network and are voiced primarily by 3 people. It seems that, by
percent of population, they are under represented in the media. Liberals have no need to fear these shows. If you don't like them, you
can turn them off or switch to any number of shows which support your views. It
is called freedom and it is the same freedom others have to listen to what they
@ Demo Dave"Utah values" is a phrase on the home page of
Matheson's web site, "Jim Matheson is a sixth-generation Utahn. His
Utah roots and Utah values guide his daily commitment to solve problems and help
people."I guess you have to ask him what he means by that.To quote you, "It sounds elitist and self-aggrandizing." Did you
intend to use that description on Matheson? Whether you did or didn't, I
agree with your word choice.Still voting for him Demo Dave?
Dem Dave,political balance is not a MA, IL, CA, NY, CT, WA, OR, etc
value.If my water has too much iron in it, you would have me add
arsenic or strychnine to it in order to balance the iron?
@ lost in DC: Yes.