Letter: I'll vote Matheson


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  • Redshirt1701 Deep Space 9, Ut
    Nov. 5, 2012 8:02 a.m.

    To "Furry1993" so then you agree that liberals are pushing us towards a fascist state. So far the only thing missing is #11.

    Just because you believe the lies, does not make it true.

  • Furry1993 Ogden, UT
    Nov. 3, 2012 10:43 a.m.

    Political scientist Dr. Lawrence Britt wrote an article about fascism ("Fascism Anyone?," Free Inquiry, Spring 2003, page 20). Studying the fascist regimes of Hitler (Germany), Mussolini (Italy), Franco (Spain), Suharto (Indonesia), and Pinochet (Chile), Dr. Britt found they all had 14 elements in common. He calls these the identifying characteristics of fascism. The 14 characteristics are:

    Elements of Fascism
    1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism
    2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights
    3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause
    4. Supremacy of the Military
    5. Rampant Sexism
    6. Controlled Mass Media
    7. Obsession with National Security
    8. Religion and Government are Intertwined
    9. Corporate Power is Protected
    10. Labor Power is Suppressed
    11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts
    12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment
    13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption
    14. Fraudulent Elections

    I can't post a link but it's easy to find references to Dr. Britt's study, complete with explanations and discussions for each characteristic, through a Google search.

    This sure looks suspiciously like what the extreme far right radicals are trying to promulgate, doesn't it. The explanations and discussions from the referenced article make it look even more so.

  • Mike in Cedar City Cedar City, Utah
    Nov. 2, 2012 11:20 a.m.

    Mia Love represents the majority views of the citizens of the State of Utah. And that is so sad,

  • Redshirt1701 Deep Space 9, Ut
    Nov. 1, 2012 4:47 p.m.

    To "LDS Liberal" um....none of that indicates a right wing philosophy. If anything much of that implies a left wing philosophy.

    Communists historically enforce a 1 party system.
    Communists have also built up their military.
    Obama (left wing) enhanced the Patriot Act, and expanded its reach.
    The left has also started offensive military actions, this is not ideology specific.
    I would consider the left wing leaders of Cuba as Ultra Nationalistic.
    Hugo Chavez, Chairman Mao, and others have claimed to be doing God's will.
    Didn't the left wing Chineese push into Vietnam, Korea, Nepal, and other nations?
    Actually, according to historical records, the Germany government owned many companies, such as Opel.

    Again, where is your proof. So far you have offered generalities and opinion.

  • Hank Pym SLC, UT
    Nov. 1, 2012 4:11 p.m.

    Jonah Goldberg in his book *Liberal Fascism* has a checklist of what compromises Fascism. Further, he illustrates ties between conservatism and fascism.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Nov. 1, 2012 3:55 p.m.

    The Nazis;

    outlawed Abortions
    cracked down on immigration
    Cleansed Germany into being a "Christian" nation
    Built up their military
    One-Party Political System
    Began spying on their citizens [i.e. Bush's Patriot Act]
    Started Offensive military actions
    Felt God was on THEIR side, and their side only [Providence, is how Hitler put it]
    Expanded military operations outside their borders in the name of German National Security.

    And the Government NEVER owned private businesses - no matter how many times AM radio tells you so.
    Go ahead and stay fixated on that word "Socialist",

    I have facts and data of reality and their actions to prove my point -- not the word of college drop-outs on the radio to argue otherwise.

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    Nov. 1, 2012 3:29 p.m.

    they had the term "Socialist" in their official party name - nothing I am trying to force, just point out.

    "The National Socialist German Workers' Party" was the official name.

    But you are correct that BO's brand of socialism does not walk in goose-step - I mean lock-step with the jack-boot thugs of the 1930s and 1940s. It's more akin to the European socialism that has produced chronic high unemployment and state-dependency

  • Redshirt1701 Deep Space 9, Ut
    Nov. 1, 2012 3:21 p.m.

    To "LDS Liberal" again, you are wrong. The NAZI party was a socialist institution that gathered together unions to overthrow the private owners of many businesses.

    Again, since you offered no verifiable evidence, just your conjecture, lets look more at some of the NAZI part platform.

    "In view of the tremendous sacrifices in property and blood demanded of the Nation by every war, personal gain from the war must be termed a crime against the Nation. We therefore demand the total confiscation of all war profits."

    "It must be the first duty of every Citizen to carry out intellectual or physical work. Individual activity must not be harmful to the public interest and must be pursued within the framework of the community and for the general good."

    "We demand the creation and maintenance of a sound middle class; the immediate communalization of the large department stores..."

    Their platform reads like statements from Democrat congressmen. Not exactly right winged.

    Also, if Nazi party was so right winged, why is it that the liberals in the 1920's and early 1930's adored them, and put them on the cover of Time magazine?

    Where is your proof? So far you only give opinions.

  • Christian 24-7 Murray, UT
    Nov. 1, 2012 3:15 p.m.

    We often overlook the earlier part of Hitler's leadership, before he went rogue and started conquering and looting. For many years he was peacefully enacting lots of social programs to "help" the German people, but it was actually to gain their loyalty and give him more power.

    Then, with that loyalty and power, he went on his terrible rampage against the world.

    Who does that sound like? And who is it he and his party want to conquer? The greatest nation in the world? or the whole world? It makes me wonder.

  • Emajor Ogden, UT
    Nov. 1, 2012 2:20 p.m.

    Ernest Bass,
    "Why do the repub talking heads, Limbaugh and Beck, refer to Obama as a Hitler clone?"

    Because they are terrible people. And you left out Hannity.

    LDS Liberal,
    Calm down and try reading my other posts on this site. No one in mainstream America is comparable to a Nazi or Bolshevik revolutionary. And if I think it is wrong for conservatives to label liberals as Nazis and Communists, then you'd better believe I think it is wrong for liberals to do so with conservatives.

    And BTW LDS Liberal & lost in DC, Nazism doesn't fit well into the mold of liberal and conservative that you are trying force them into for political expediency. They had far-right characteristics that don't bear any resemblance the Republican Party platform, and they differed significantly from the Marxist brand of socialism Lost is trying to associate them with. So, you're both wrong.

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    Nov. 1, 2012 1:45 p.m.

    “he is probably the only Democrat likely to have a chance to win a national office in Utah”

    What does that have to do with his qualifications? Looks like someone wants him JUST because he has a (D) after his name.

    “One-party states didn't work for Communist Russia or Nazi Germany. All it accomplishes is bad government.”
    Or CA, MA, IL, etc. for further examples of bad government by one-party states.

    Actually it works here in Utah, we have lower unemployment and a higher credit rating than those solid blue states. Just depends on the values of the party involved.

    Thank you

    She won’t vote to/for:
    advance Obamacare
    BO’s agenda
    allow voter fraud
    racial quotas

    MORE than enough reason to support her over Matheson

    LDS lib,
    It’s obvious you’ve never read Emajor’s posts, and Nazis were SOCIALISTS, (like BO) not uber-right as you claim

    BTW, you are exceptionally strident today. Is your blood pressure OK?

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Nov. 1, 2012 1:23 p.m.

    Nazism used elements of the far-right racist Völkisch German nationalist movement and the anti-communist Freikorps paramilitary which fought against the communists in post-World War I Germany.

    The adoption of the word Socialist was designed to draw workers away from communism and into Völkisch nationalism.

    Nazism is described as far-right, such as allowing domination of society by people deemed superior, while purging society of people declared inferior which were said to be a threat to national survival.

    Scholars identify Nazism as a form of far-right politics.

    The Nazis were strongly influenced by the post-World War I far-right in Germany, which held common beliefs such as anti-Marxism, anti-liberalism, and anti-Semitism, along with nationalism, and condemnnation of the liberal Weimar Republic.

    The Nazis, the far-right monarchist and reactionary German National People's Party (DNVP), and others, such as monarchist officers of the German army and several prominent industrialists, formed an alliance in opposition to the Weimar Republic on 11 October 1931.

    The conservative Nazi Hermann Göring other prominent conservative Nazis included Heinrich Himmler and Reinhard Heydrich.


    Go ahead RedShirt, argue against facts&reality all you wish...

  • Hank Pym SLC, UT
    Nov. 1, 2012 1:09 p.m.

    Interesting that our favorite SJ resident points out this piece of legislation. He's mad because Matheson did not go along with the herd?

    LDS Lib @ 10:49 today touched on the issue. Its those of us who shun the Borg mentality and think for ourselves that feel disenfranchised by the unthinking majority (Props to Serj Tankian)

    There is a thin line for Representatives for voting their conscience & doing whats best for their district. Having been in JM's district, I have had no problem with him. It's probably a sound strategy to vote the opposite of Jason anyway.

    On 11/6, I am looking forward to voting for Gary Johnson and a 3rd party running opposite Chaffetz.

  • RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT
    Nov. 1, 2012 12:51 p.m.

    To "LDS Liberal" once again you lie just so that you can attempt to connect conservatives to Nazis. Unfortunately the truth shows that you and your ilk are wrong.

    Lets review some of the Nazi party platform, just to remind us how they are similar to modern liberals.

    “We demand that the State make it its duty to provide opportunities of employment first of all for its own Citizens.”

    “We demand the nationalization of all enterprises (already) converted into corporations (trusts).”

    “The abolition of all income obtained without labor or effort.”

    "To carry out all the above we demand: the creation of a strong central autority in the Reich. Unquestioned authority by the political central Parliament over the entire Reich and over its organizations in general. The establishment of trade and professional organizations to enforce the Reich basic laws in the individual states."

    It is even more eerie when you look at how Hitler was able to rise in power, and the techniques that Obama uses. They both use emotional arguments, and wrap horrible things in nice sounding words to make them acceptable. While Obama hasn't gone for genocide, their methodologies are very similar.

  • red state pride Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Nov. 1, 2012 11:39 a.m.

    One party state? Are you kidding me? Did you pay attention to the last two Republican primaries? Contrary to what you may think there are different strains of Republican thought and priorities. We don't all walk, talk, worship, and think the same way. Our opinions and values aren't dictated by the head of the Utah Republican Party. We have fiscal hawks like Ron Paul. We have national security hawks like Jason Chaffetz. We have politically opportunistic candidates like Mia Love (just kidding). We have candidates like Hatch who couldn't survive without a daily drink of "potomac water" (kidding again) We have single issue Republicans, RINO's, libertarians who actually want their vote to count etc etc. One party? Please.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Nov. 1, 2012 10:56 a.m.

    Ogden, UT
    6:23 a.m. Nov. 1, 2012


    Oh ya, and one other very important fact I forgot to mention before clicking submit;

    The Nazis were the Conservative uber-Far-RIGHT-wing political party.

    [same as the Taliban, and Iran's Islamic Regime 2 party system; the Conservatives (extremist and ultra-religious right-wing party) and the Reformists (moderate religious but still right-wing party). As of 2011[update] only the Conservative parties can carry out political and cultural activities inside Iran.]

    Utah is well in it's way to follow suit.

  • Mike Richards South Jordan, Utah
    Nov. 1, 2012 10:55 a.m.

    Jim Matheson voted NAY on HR 6169 - Pathway to Job Creation. Rob Bishop and Jason Chaffetz voted YEA.

    Jim Matheson's web site says: "He has long championed trade policy that removes barriers to the free flow of Utah goods and services and as a result, Utah’s exports continue to increase." Huh? He had a chance to stop government interference in job creation. He voted AGAINST doing getting government off our backs.

    Matheson voted AGAINST allowing new construction of oil refineries in June 2005 and against scheduling new refineries in 2006.

    But, at least he voted YES on defining that marriage is between a man and woman (July 2006) and he voted for a Constitution Amendment banning same-sex marriage (September 2004). He voted YES to allow school prayer during the war on terror (November 2001).

    He voted NO on free-roaming horses and burros (July 2009) but YES on $2 billion additional for cash for clunkers (July 2009).

    Voted NO in requiring photo ID for voting in federal elections (September 2006). That action allowed Patrick Moran, son of Jim Moran (D), to tell us how to use utility bills to commit voter fraud.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Nov. 1, 2012 10:49 a.m.

    Ogden, UT
    "One-party states didn't work for Communist Russia or Nazi Germany."

    Yeah, except the Republican Party isn't trying to exterminate an entire ethnic group or jail anyone that disagrees with their platform, are they? There are rules of decency in political discourse, Mr. Eastman, and one of them is that you don't compare people to Nazis or totalitarian Communists.

    6:23 a.m. Nov. 1, 2012


    Holy Cow!
    Tell me you really don't believe that.

    1st of all, so long as Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity and Glenn Beck keep falsely accusing "Liberals" as being Nazis or Communists - there will be a problem.

    2nd of all, I assume you are a White, Republican Mormon, living in Pleastville, Utah.
    Try being anything "different" here, and see if you sleep well at night.

    There is a reason why I coined the term: Utah-liban.
    If the shoe fits....

  • 1conservative WEST VALLEY CITY, UT
    Nov. 1, 2012 9:31 a.m.

    We're on our way to having a "Congressman for life" similar to how we're still stuck with Hatch after 36 (42 now)years.

    Can't Matheson find a different job? Why does he think he owns his position?

    Why not try someone new?

  • The Real Maverick Orem, UT
    Nov. 1, 2012 9:12 a.m.

    What does Mia Love have to offer?

    What are her plans or ideas?

    How can we tell? Has anyone ever visited her website? Mike Richards? Lost? Rifle?

    Why doesn't she list her ideas and plans like Jim Matheson has on his website? What is she hiding?

    I'll go with the devil I know over the devil I don't know any day of the week.

  • Mike Richards South Jordan, Utah
    Nov. 1, 2012 9:04 a.m.

    The only question that needs to be answered is whether Jim Matheson represents the majority of Utahns or whether the other fice people that will serve in Congress represent the majority of the people of Utah. You can't have it both ways. Matheson has voted against the other two Representatives - often, yet he tells us that he is a REPRESENTATIVE of the most conservative state in the nation. How can he justify his votes? How can anyone tell us that we need a Representative who puts his own interests ahead of the majority of the people in his state?

    Matheson has had twelve years to represent himself but there is no State named Matheson.

  • JoeCapitalist2 Orem, UT
    Nov. 1, 2012 8:48 a.m.

    Utah is definitely a one party state. The Republican party, although far from perfect, is much more aligned with the values shared by the majority of the citizens of this state.

    California is also firmly entrenched in one political party - the other one. I am sick of all the liberals in this state calling for more "moderation", attacking the party in power, and saying we need more "balance" in this state by voting more Democrats into office.

    Do we really want our state's economy and government budget to be closer to California's or Illinois'? Liberal policies are driving those states into bankruptcy!

  • Grundle West Jordan, UT
    Nov. 1, 2012 8:36 a.m.

    "I trust Jim and believe he will do the best for Utah."

    Does that include voting for a democratic congressional leadership?

    In my opinion, that is voting against the best interests of Utah and the nation.

    Unfortunately, that will be the vote that Rep. Matheson participates in with the largest impact on our state and our nation.

  • Ernest T. Bass Bountiful, UT
    Nov. 1, 2012 7:57 a.m.

    @Emajor: Why do the repub talking heads, Limbaugh and Beck, refer to Obama as a Hitler clone?

  • Emajor Ogden, UT
    Nov. 1, 2012 6:23 a.m.

    "One-party states didn't work for Communist Russia or Nazi Germany."

    Yeah, except the Republican Party isn't trying to exterminate an entire ethnic group or jail anyone that disagrees with their platform, are they? There are rules of decency in political discourse, Mr. Eastman, and one of them is that you don't compare people to Nazis or totalitarian Communists.