To "Furry1993" so then you agree that liberals are pushing us towards a
fascist state. So far the only thing missing is #11.Just because
you believe the lies, does not make it true.
Political scientist Dr. Lawrence Britt wrote an article about fascism
("Fascism Anyone?," Free Inquiry, Spring 2003, page 20). Studying the
fascist regimes of Hitler (Germany), Mussolini (Italy), Franco (Spain), Suharto
(Indonesia), and Pinochet (Chile), Dr. Britt found they all had 14 elements in
common. He calls these the identifying characteristics of fascism. The 14
characteristics are: Elements of Fascism1. Powerful and
Continuing Nationalism2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause4.
Supremacy of the Military5. Rampant Sexism6. Controlled Mass
Media7. Obsession with National Security8. Religion and Government
are Intertwined9. Corporate Power is Protected10. Labor Power is
Suppressed11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts12. Obsession
with Crime and Punishment13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption14.
Fraudulent Elections I can't post a link but it's easy to
find references to Dr. Britt's study, complete with explanations and
discussions for each characteristic, through a Google search. This
sure looks suspiciously like what the extreme far right radicals are trying to
promulgate, doesn't it. The explanations and discussions from the
referenced article make it look even more so.
Mia Love represents the majority views of the citizens of the State of Utah.
And that is so sad,
To "LDS Liberal" um....none of that indicates a right wing philosophy.
If anything much of that implies a left wing philosophy.Communists
historically enforce a 1 party system.Communists have also built up their
military.Obama (left wing) enhanced the Patriot Act, and expanded its
reach.The left has also started offensive military actions, this is not
ideology specific.I would consider the left wing leaders of Cuba as Ultra
Nationalistic.Hugo Chavez, Chairman Mao, and others have claimed to be
doing God's will.Didn't the left wing Chineese push into
Vietnam, Korea, Nepal, and other nations?Actually, according to historical
records, the Germany government owned many companies, such as Opel.Again, where is your proof. So far you have offered generalities and opinion.
Jonah Goldberg in his book *Liberal Fascism* has a checklist of what compromises
Fascism. Further, he illustrates ties between conservatism and fascism.
The Nazis;outlawed Abortionscracked down on immigrationCleansed Germany into being a "Christian" nationBuilt up their
militaryOne-Party Political SystemBegan spying on their citizens
[i.e. Bush's Patriot Act]Started Offensive military actionsUltra-NationalisticFelt God was on THEIR side, and their side only
[Providence, is how Hitler put it]Expanded military operations outside
their borders in the name of German National Security.And the
Government NEVER owned private businesses - no matter how many times AM radio
tells you so.Go ahead and stay fixated on that word "Socialist",
I have facts and data of reality and their actions to prove my point
-- not the word of college drop-outs on the radio to argue otherwise.
Emajor,they had the term "Socialist" in their official party name
- nothing I am trying to force, just point out."The National
Socialist German Workers' Party" was the official name.But
you are correct that BO's brand of socialism does not walk in goose-step -
I mean lock-step with the jack-boot thugs of the 1930s and 1940s. It's
more akin to the European socialism that has produced chronic high unemployment
To "LDS Liberal" again, you are wrong. The NAZI party was a socialist
institution that gathered together unions to overthrow the private owners of
many businesses.Again, since you offered no verifiable evidence,
just your conjecture, lets look more at some of the NAZI part platform."In view of the tremendous sacrifices in property and blood demanded of
the Nation by every war, personal gain from the war must be termed a crime
against the Nation. We therefore demand the total confiscation of all war
profits.""It must be the first duty of every Citizen to
carry out intellectual or physical work. Individual activity must not be harmful
to the public interest and must be pursued within the framework of the community
and for the general good.""We demand the creation and
maintenance of a sound middle class; the immediate communalization of the large
department stores..."Their platform reads like statements from
Democrat congressmen. Not exactly right winged.Also, if Nazi party
was so right winged, why is it that the liberals in the 1920's and early
1930's adored them, and put them on the cover of Time magazine?Where is your proof? So far you only give opinions.
We often overlook the earlier part of Hitler's leadership, before he went
rogue and started conquering and looting. For many years he was peacefully
enacting lots of social programs to "help" the German people, but it was
actually to gain their loyalty and give him more power. Then, with
that loyalty and power, he went on his terrible rampage against the world. Who does that sound like? And who is it he and his party want to
conquer? The greatest nation in the world? or the whole world? It makes me
Ernest Bass,"Why do the repub talking heads, Limbaugh and Beck, refer
to Obama as a Hitler clone?"Because they are terrible people.
And you left out Hannity.LDS Liberal,Calm down and try reading
my other posts on this site. No one in mainstream America is comparable to a
Nazi or Bolshevik revolutionary. And if I think it is wrong for conservatives to
label liberals as Nazis and Communists, then you'd better believe I think
it is wrong for liberals to do so with conservatives. And BTW LDS
Liberal & lost in DC, Nazism doesn't fit well into the mold of liberal
and conservative that you are trying force them into for political expediency.
They had far-right characteristics that don't bear any resemblance the
Republican Party platform, and they differed significantly from the Marxist
brand of socialism Lost is trying to associate them with. So, you're both
“he is probably the only Democrat likely to have a chance to win a
national office in Utah”What does that have to do with his
qualifications? Looks like someone wants him JUST because he has a (D) after
his name.“One-party states didn't work for Communist
Russia or Nazi Germany. All it accomplishes is bad government.”Or
CA, MA, IL, etc. for further examples of bad government by one-party states.Actually it works here in Utah, we have lower unemployment and a higher
credit rating than those solid blue states. Just depends on the values of the
party involved.Emajor,Thank youMaverickShe
won’t vote to/for: advance ObamacarePelosiBO’s
agendaabortionallow voter fraudracial quotasMORE
than enough reason to support her over MathesonLDS lib,It’s obvious you’ve never read Emajor’s posts, and Nazis
were SOCIALISTS, (like BO) not uber-right as you claimBTW, you are
exceptionally strident today. Is your blood pressure OK?
Nazism used elements of the far-right racist Völkisch German nationalist
movement and the anti-communist Freikorps paramilitary which fought against the
communists in post-World War I Germany. The adoption of the word
Socialist was designed to draw workers away from communism and into
Völkisch nationalism.Nazism is described as far-right, such as
allowing domination of society by people deemed superior, while purging society
of people declared inferior which were said to be a threat to national
survival.Scholars identify Nazism as a form of far-right
politics.The Nazis were strongly influenced by the post-World War I
far-right in Germany, which held common beliefs such as anti-Marxism,
anti-liberalism, and anti-Semitism, along with nationalism, and condemnnation of
the liberal Weimar Republic.The Nazis, the far-right monarchist and
reactionary German National People's Party (DNVP), and others, such as
monarchist officers of the German army and several prominent industrialists,
formed an alliance in opposition to the Weimar Republic on 11 October 1931.The conservative Nazi Hermann Göring other prominent conservative
Nazis included Heinrich Himmler and Reinhard Heydrich.----Go ahead RedShirt, argue against facts&reality all you wish...
Interesting that our favorite SJ resident points out this piece of legislation.
He's mad because Matheson did not go along with the herd? LDS
Lib @ 10:49 today touched on the issue. Its those of us who shun the Borg
mentality and think for ourselves that feel disenfranchised by the unthinking
majority (Props to Serj Tankian)There is a thin line for
Representatives for voting their conscience & doing whats best for their
district. Having been in JM's district, I have had no problem with him.
It's probably a sound strategy to vote the opposite of Jason anyway. On 11/6, I am looking forward to voting for Gary Johnson and a 3rd party
running opposite Chaffetz.
To "LDS Liberal" once again you lie just so that you can attempt to
connect conservatives to Nazis. Unfortunately the truth shows that you and your
ilk are wrong.Lets review some of the Nazi party platform, just to
remind us how they are similar to modern liberals.“We demand
that the State make it its duty to provide opportunities of employment first of
all for its own Citizens.”“We demand the nationalization
of all enterprises (already) converted into corporations (trusts).”“The abolition of all income obtained without labor or
effort.”"To carry out all the above we demand: the
creation of a strong central autority in the Reich. Unquestioned authority by
the political central Parliament over the entire Reich and over its
organizations in general. The establishment of trade and professional
organizations to enforce the Reich basic laws in the individual states."It is even more eerie when you look at how Hitler was able to rise in
power, and the techniques that Obama uses. They both use emotional arguments,
and wrap horrible things in nice sounding words to make them acceptable. While
Obama hasn't gone for genocide, their methodologies are very similar.
One party state? Are you kidding me? Did you pay attention to the last two
Republican primaries? Contrary to what you may think there are different strains
of Republican thought and priorities. We don't all walk, talk, worship, and
think the same way. Our opinions and values aren't dictated by the head of
the Utah Republican Party. We have fiscal hawks like Ron Paul. We have national
security hawks like Jason Chaffetz. We have politically opportunistic candidates
like Mia Love (just kidding). We have candidates like Hatch who couldn't
survive without a daily drink of "potomac water" (kidding again) We have
single issue Republicans, RINO's, libertarians who actually want their vote
to count etc etc. One party? Please.
EmajorOgden, UT6:23 a.m. Nov. 1, 2012======== Oh ya, and one other very important fact I forgot to mention before clicking
submit;The Nazis were the Conservative uber-Far-RIGHT-wing political
party.[same as the Taliban, and Iran's Islamic Regime 2 party
system; the Conservatives (extremist and ultra-religious right-wing party) and
the Reformists (moderate religious but still right-wing party). As of
2011[update] only the Conservative parties can carry out political and cultural
activities inside Iran.]Utah is well in it's way to follow
Jim Matheson voted NAY on HR 6169 - Pathway to Job Creation. Rob Bishop and
Jason Chaffetz voted YEA. Jim Matheson's web site says: "He
has long championed trade policy that removes barriers to the free flow of Utah
goods and services and as a result, Utah’s exports continue to
increase." Huh? He had a chance to stop government interference in job
creation. He voted AGAINST doing getting government off our backs.Matheson voted AGAINST allowing new construction of oil refineries in June
2005 and against scheduling new refineries in 2006.But, at least he
voted YES on defining that marriage is between a man and woman (July 2006) and
he voted for a Constitution Amendment banning same-sex marriage (September
2004). He voted YES to allow school prayer during the war on terror (November
2001).He voted NO on free-roaming horses and burros (July 2009) but
YES on $2 billion additional for cash for clunkers (July 2009).Voted
NO in requiring photo ID for voting in federal elections (September 2006). That
action allowed Patrick Moran, son of Jim Moran (D), to tell us how to use
utility bills to commit voter fraud.
EmajorOgden, UT"One-party states didn't work for Communist
Russia or Nazi Germany."Yeah, except the Republican Party
isn't trying to exterminate an entire ethnic group or jail anyone that
disagrees with their platform, are they? There are rules of decency in political
discourse, Mr. Eastman, and one of them is that you don't compare people to
Nazis or totalitarian Communists.6:23 a.m. Nov. 1, 2012================= Holy Cow!Tell me you really don't
believe that.1st of all, so long as Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity and
Glenn Beck keep falsely accusing "Liberals" as being Nazis or Communists
- there will be a problem.2nd of all, I assume you are a White,
Republican Mormon, living in Pleastville, Utah.Try being anything
"different" here, and see if you sleep well at night.There
is a reason why I coined the term: Utah-liban.If the shoe fits....
We're on our way to having a "Congressman for life" similar to how
we're still stuck with Hatch after 36 (42 now)years.Can't
Matheson find a different job? Why does he think he owns his position?Why not try someone new?
What does Mia Love have to offer?What are her plans or ideas?How can we tell? Has anyone ever visited her website? Mike Richards?
Lost? Rifle? Why doesn't she list her ideas and plans like Jim
Matheson has on his website? What is she hiding?I'll go with
the devil I know over the devil I don't know any day of the week.
The only question that needs to be answered is whether Jim Matheson represents
the majority of Utahns or whether the other fice people that will serve in
Congress represent the majority of the people of Utah. You can't have it
both ways. Matheson has voted against the other two Representatives - often,
yet he tells us that he is a REPRESENTATIVE of the most conservative state in
the nation. How can he justify his votes? How can anyone tell us that we need
a Representative who puts his own interests ahead of the majority of the people
in his state?Matheson has had twelve years to represent himself but
there is no State named Matheson.
Utah is definitely a one party state. The Republican party, although far from
perfect, is much more aligned with the values shared by the majority of the
citizens of this state.California is also firmly entrenched in one
political party - the other one. I am sick of all the liberals in this state
calling for more "moderation", attacking the party in power, and saying
we need more "balance" in this state by voting more Democrats into
office.Do we really want our state's economy and government
budget to be closer to California's or Illinois'? Liberal policies are
driving those states into bankruptcy!
"I trust Jim and believe he will do the best for Utah."Does
that include voting for a democratic congressional leadership?In my
opinion, that is voting against the best interests of Utah and the nation. Unfortunately, that will be the vote that Rep. Matheson participates in
with the largest impact on our state and our nation.
@Emajor: Why do the repub talking heads, Limbaugh and Beck, refer to Obama as a
"One-party states didn't work for Communist Russia or Nazi
Germany."Yeah, except the Republican Party isn't trying to
exterminate an entire ethnic group or jail anyone that disagrees with their
platform, are they? There are rules of decency in political discourse, Mr.
Eastman, and one of them is that you don't compare people to Nazis or