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Published: Thursday, Nov. 1 2012 5:00 a.m. MDT

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Craig Clark
Boulder, CO

Good advice from Daniel Peterson. The surest way to antagonize someone you're trying to reach is to attack something they hold sacred even though you mean well. I learned that the hard way when I was younger. I'm more circumspect now albeit with lapses when I know I've gone too far.

Twin Lights
Louisville, KY

Agreed.

JoeBlow
Far East USA, SC

How about this as a guiding principle.

You have your beliefs, and others do also.

Your beliefs are just that - things that you believe. Maybe you believe them strongly, but that does not make them correct and it does not make them right and it does not make them true. Nor does it make them false. We just don't know.

If we all approached religion from the position that we just might be wrong, the world would be a far better place.

The world trade center buildings would probably still be standing if people understood that.

procuradorfiscal
Tooele, UT

Re: "If we all approached religion from the position that we just might be wrong, the world would be a far better place."

You might be wrong.

JoeBlow
Far East USA, SC

"You might be wrong."

And I can fully and completely admit that.

Can you?

skeptic
Phoenix, AZ

The world would be a better place without organized corporate religion and their snake oil salesmen.. If you can't find God in yoor own heart and mind, then they have nothing to sell you. God is being itself,, not a being.

sharrona
layton, UT

RE: effectively launched into an attack on Mary.

The “pale” of Christianity believes the birth of Jesus was a unique miracle by the Holy Spirit/Ghost, same Greek word(Pneuma).

”They tell us that the BoM states that Jesus was begotten of the Holy Ghost. I challenge that statement. The BoM teaches No Such Thing! Neither does the Bible!”( Joseph Fielding Smith, Doctrines of Salvation.
(Jesus)…born of Mary at Jersusalem … who shall be overshadowed and conceive by the power of the Holy Ghost(Spirit) and bring forth a son yea, even the Son of God. ( Alma 7:10).

"In Bethlehem in Judea," they replied, "for this is what the prophet(Malachi) has written: ".'"( MT 2:5),, Fulfilled Prophecy is what separates the Holy Bible from all other books..

The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.(Luke 1:35) .

Craig Clark
Boulder, CO

Religion is not a science and doctrine is a highly subjective and speculative field of study. It’s all too human to become dogmatic about that which we can’t prove. But I’ve found the study of comparative religion to be an edifying enquiry that leads to deeper understanding of not only others' beliefs but my own as well.

Bill in Nebraska
Maryville, MO

Sharrona: You cite Doctrine of Salvations which is not scripture according to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. However, one must understand that she was carried away in the spirit but was impregnated by Heavenly Father, not the Holy Ghost. Basically a difference of interpretation. In that Joseph Fielding Smith is correct. When one looks at mainline Christianity and the triune God, then yes one can say that the Holy Ghost is what impregnated Mary. However, if one takes each of the members of the Godhead as three separate beings, which is taught in both the Bible and the Book of Mormon, then one must agree that the Father impregnated her. No matter which it is a miraculous pregnancy where she knew no mortal man while conceiving her son, and the only begotten son in the flesh, Jesus Christ. Our Savior, our redeemer, our Master.

Further, Joseph Fielding Smith further stated it was nothing more than a natural child birth which it was in that she carried the babe in her womb for nine months,gave birth the same way every other child is born. Except for the resurrection, the birth of the Savior would meant nothing.

Unwieldy Toaster
Bluffdale, UT

To me, arguing religious doctrine is like arguing about the color of unicorns.

Gadfly
Smyrna, TN

Daniel Peterson and I rarely see eye to eye and I have been higly critical of several of his articles. Therefore, in all justice, I must say that this is a good article. Well done.

And, by the way, unicorns come in a variety of colors but are predominately white.

Tyler D
Meridian, ID

I have many reservations about organized religion, but I think 99% of them would disappear if all the religions in the world would do two things – first, espouse total non-violence; and second, drop all pretenses of certainty and superiority. You may say I’m a dreamer…

Brahmabull
sandy, ut

procuradorfiscal

Good comeback to Joeblow. That was creative. Unfortunately, you may not have read his first post. He fully admits that nobody knows for sure, and that we all may be wrong.

Bill in Nebraska - I see you are back to the old habit of claiming certain things are only opinion when they don't support your point of view... Thats sad to see. What is even more odd is after claiming Joseph Fielding Smiths book isn't doctrine, you follow it up by quoting the same Joseph Fielding Smith in your last paragraph. Just doesn't add up.

hermounts
Pleasanton, CA

The part about "much humbler walls" makes sense. I always thought that if the wall were a high as Bro. Friberg pictured them, Samuel would likely have broken his neck jumping down from it.

higv
Dietrich, ID

Does anyone with sincerity looking at finding out the truth about religion? What God himself said on the subject. You can't change the law of gravity by choosing not to beleive in it. Why are Gods truths any different? People are not asked to give up truths they learned. Someone taught to be honest and serve there fellowmen why forsake that truth. Truth is independent of human beleif. Why not find out what the Lord said on what to beleive. Good way to find peace is search for the truth and choose to live it. Won't happen though as long as Satan and his Angels say beleive it not. Did Jesus amend what the FAther said to not cause contention? Being tolerant is being respectful of those that disagree with you. Not compromising truth to avoid contention.

higv
Dietrich, ID

To skeptic if Jesus Christ himself organized religion an all knowing God how can it be a bad thing? Religion does not make the world a bad place. Muslims were in the wrong at wtc. As long as God the FAther and his son Jesus Christ will tell us how to live a happy life and return to them Satan and his angels will do what they can to say it is nonsense. Should we compromise at the expense of Eternal Salvation.

Michigander
Westland, MI

It was Jesus Christ the Eternal Son who came down from heaven and "overshadowed" the Virgin Mary.

the truth
Holladay, UT

@Sharrona
@Brahmabull

You simply have to use yoour head and used plain logic.

The holy Ghost has no body and therfore can NOT possibly concieve anything. And we know this becausw all know how babies are concieved.

We do not understand the micracleous conception nor have all the details and so no one canfully explain it.

However, using logic and all clues given, we figure this much out: in our current fallen state we can not bear God the Fatheer's presence, so it makes perfect logical sense there must be a medium for that to happen, hence the Holy Ghost.

we do know others were transfigured to be in God's presence. Moses for one, and the transfiguration of Jesus with 3 of his apostles and Joseph Smith.

The Holy Ghost must have been involved in these as well.

Bill in Nebraska
Maryville, MO

Brahmabull: No where in my posting did I even mention it was his opinion or it was doctrine. Those are your words not mine but what else is new.

Fact is I agree that he was teaching a correct and true principal. Stating something is not scripture is not the same as saying it is an opinion or is/isn't doctrine. The book cited is not scripture and should not be taken as scripture. Lots of what apostels and prophets have written in books are not always doctrine but opinion. President Kimball's book "The Power of Forgiveness" was written while he was an Apostle, not as President of the Church. It has good sound principles that should be used as a teaching tool but is not scripture. Again quit trying to mislead people to think everything said by the leaders of the Church is always DOCTRINE or SCRIPTURE. It is not but it can be used as a tool for teaching principles and doctrine as the spirit dictates.

Mountanman
Hayden, ID

I was recently on a team teaching assignment with one of our full times missionaries and he was magnificent! The lady we were teaching recoiled upon hearing his recounting of the first vision and stated emphatically, " I don't need your Apostles and Prophets, because I have a personal relationship with Jesus". My 19 year old companion, wise beyond his years or inspired said, " That's wonderful, where did you learn about Jesus"? To which she replied, "From my Bible". "And who wrote the Bible, was his next inquiry"? "Prophets and Apostles" she said. "See how much we need Apostles and Prophets"? He replied. Powerful lesson without offense given or taken! No overcorrecting but wonderful teaching!

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