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Utes are a perfect 10-0 when senior running back reaches 100 yards

Published: Tuesday, Oct. 30 2012 9:45 p.m. MDT

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anti BCS
Anaheim, CA

Naval Vet

"Colorado IS stronger than those aforementioned two [Idaho and NM St). Substantially..."

Instead of only looking at conference affiliation, try for once taking a stroll down reality lane.

#155 Colorado
#171 New Mexico St
#173 Weber St
#182 Idaho
#190 Northern Colorado

Frankly, I don't see a "substantial difference" between any of them, they're all awful.

btw, Utah is 0-1 versus the WAC and past head-to-head history is absolutely MEANINGLESS; Utah losing to the Aggies this year proved that

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btw, you still didn't present one shred of evidence that Oklahoma would have done any better in the 2nd half with Bradford, than the Sooners did without him.

As proven by the back to back hits on Bradford that knocked him out of the game at the end of the first half, BYU's defense was already putting enormous pressure on Bradford and completely shutting down Oklahoma's offense:

3 plays, -5 yards, punt
6 plays, 35 yards, TD
3 plays, 25 yards, fumble
3 plays, 5 yards, punt
3 plays, 8 yards, punt
3 plays, 43 yards, fumble
5 plays, 52 yards (14 via penalty), FG

phoenix
Gilbert, AZ

anti BCS

It's obvious that Navel Vet is just blowing smoke again, using selective "stats" based on nothing but his own biases.

Even Colorado fans think this may be one of the worst Colorado teams ever.

As one Buffs blog summarized, "After two successive weeks of point spreads that reached all the way up into the 40's against the top teams in the Pac-12 conference on the road, the Buffaloes now return home to face Stanford and a projected four-touchdown margin. That number is obviously significantly lower than the last two that Colorado was up against, but it's another slap in the face for a program that is struggling through an HISTORICALLY POOR year."

btw, Colorado(1-7) is 6th in this week's ESPN Bottom Ten, just ahead of 4th place NM St(1-7) and 3rd place Idaho(1-7), but behind 8th place Wyoming(1-7).

Mighty "PAC 12" team indeed.

Naval Vet
Philadelphia, PA

phoenix:

"Even Colorado fans think this may be one of the worst Colorado teams ever."

But do they think they're in the same league with Idaho and NM State?

Because I think not.

P.S.: My stats were not selective. I omitted no games in the head-to-matchups between CU or UNCO and Idaho or either New Mexico school. The person guilty of "selective stats" was you. Who said anything about Wyoming? Busted.

Naval Vet
Philadelphia, PA

anti BCS:

"I don't see a 'substantial difference' between any of them, they're all awful."

They ARE all awful, but there IS a substantial difference between CU and Idaho, UNM and NMSU. The most plausible scenerio would be CU going 3-0 against them, and with double-digit point spreads.

Spokane Ute
Spokane, WA

@CougfaninTexas

I have no control over other posters, just like you don't control Utah Haters. Nothing wrong with BYU's schedule. Is it light loaded towards the end? Sure, but it's probably not easy scheduling as an independent and it's been a good schedule as a whole. Good luck this weekend, I see BYU winning out.

@soonerUte

We can agree to disagree. When your starters have played 80% of the game, and the out come is not in doubt; no need to risk a critical injury: especially with 4 games to go. John Hayes should have got some more reps at that point, same goes for the 3rd or 4th string RB. IMO

Duckhunter
Highland, UT

So what this article tells us is that other than last years BYU game john white usually gets 100+ yards against bad teams yet never does against good teams. Very enlightening.

Spokane Ute
Spokane, WA

Now Ducky is classifying last years 8-5 Georgai Tech team as "bad team". I guess he has to spin it to fit his agenda.

LOL!

Rockwell
Baltimore, MD

Navel Vet

"They ARE all awful, but there IS a substantial difference between CU and Idaho, UNM and NMSU. The most plausible scenerio would be CU going 3-0 against them, and with double-digit point spreads."

Based on what, your own biased opinion?

Regardless, when it comes to really bad teams, does it really matter how bad? Both BYU and Utah should easily handle CU, Idaho, and NMSt, although, as we've seen before, Utah, and in particular, Kyle, is capable of losing to ANYBODY - see 10-loss UNLV and Colorado.

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Spokane Ute

Sagarin ranked #34 BYU and #35 Tulsa ahead of #39 Utah and well ahead of #56 Georgia Tech. You can argue whether #56 is mediocre or bad, but you certainly can't argue that it's good.

Spokane Ute
Spokane, WA

Rockwell

Bad, Fair, Good, Great, it's all pretty subjective. But if going 8-4, and 6-4 vs. BCS schools (includning beating Clemson) doesn't define a good team then we can agree to disagree. Great team? no. Good team? yes. Tulsa? They went 0-4 vs. BCS schools last year. You can look at Saragin all you want, but Tulsa didn't beat anyone decent last year. The Saragin rankings are tough to figure. Did you know that when Tennessee went undefeated, the first year of the BCS era, the Saragin rankings didn't even have them as #1? Go figure. Hope you weathered the storm OK, it sure mangles NY and NJ.

Rockwell
Baltimore, MD

Spokane Ute

Thanks, we're fine here in Baltimore except for some downed trees and powerlines.

As far as the good/bad team debate, I couldn't care less whether a team is in a "bcs" conference or not. Very good and even great teams can reside in a non-bcs conference and playing a weak schedule doesn't prove that a team is bad, it simply proves that they haven't been tested. Conversely, beating a bunch of mediocre to bad bcs teams doesn't prove that a team is good, regardless of which conference they're in.

It is interesting when fans trot out the Sagarin ratings to prove SOS, but then choose to completely ignore the actual Sagarin rankings.

Spokane Ute
Spokane, WA

@ Rockwell

I disagree. Big difference between playing BCS caliber schools week in and week out, vs. playing lower tier schools. Utah and TCU have proven this theory over the last few years. Compare BYUs Win loss record vs. BCS and non BCS schools. BIG difference. and yes, Utah's strength of schedule is currently ranked #3 per Saragin. So are you actually calling Georgia Tech's team "bad" last year? That will tell me if your are objective or a Homer. FYI, G Tech is 3-5 this year. Good or Bad team? I would say a fair team.

Rockwell
Baltimore, MD

Spokane Ute

Georgia Tech 2011 lost 5 of their last 7 games, including to Virginia, a team that barely beat Idaho 21-20 at home in OT, and Miami(6-6), another team that lost to Virginia.

The problem many fans have with the Sagarin ratings, is they concentrate solely on wins, while failing to notice the losses. Sagarin evaluates the entire season including good wins and bad losses.

btw, simply having an undefeated season isn't automatically a recipe for being ranked #1. There are many more factors, including, the records of the other teams in contention.

Rockwell
Baltimore, MD

Spokane Ute

Georgia Tech last season was, in my opinion, mediocre.

Georgia Tech this season has a very good offense and a mediocre to bad defense (kind of the opposite of Utah) - a mediocre to bad team, depending on how the rest of the season plays out.

As I said before, I couldn't care less whether a team is in a bcs conference or not; conference affiliation is not a determining factor of whether a team is good or bad, and strength of schedule only matters if you WIN.

I believe that Kansas had the #1 SOS last season, but look where Sagarin ranked the Jayhawks.

BYU's win/loss record versus bcs conference teams is a factor of how good the teams were, not whether they were bcs conference teams or not. Guaranteed, if BYU had played nothing but bcs conference bottom dwellers, BYU's record versus bcs conference teams since the beginning of the LaVell Edwards era would be sterling.

How many Top 25 bcs teams did Utah beat in 2008 and 2004 to qualify for a bcs bowl?

What is Utah's record against non-bcs Boise State and TCU during the last 10 years?

Spokane Ute
Spokane, WA

Rockwell,

Nice job of playing connect the dots with Georgia Tech. That's a pretty silly system, this team almost beat this team, who beat this team, who beat that team....

Don't recall stating that going undefeated automatically means a team is #1? If finishing #50 out of 200 + teams is mediocre, your definition is severly flawed.

In 2004, per the final BCS standings, Utah beat #20 Texas A&M, the #21 Pitt (bowl game) by a combined score of 76-28

In 2008, Utah beat #11 TCU, #16 BYU then #4 Alabama.

I hope that helps. While we are enlightening each other, tell me who BYU beat, that was in the final rankings, when they went undefeated.

Another one, what is Utah's record vs. BYU over the last 10 years?

Spokane Ute
Spokane, WA

Utah vs. TCU/BSU since 2002: 3-5
BYU vs. TCU/BSU since 2002: 3-7

So what? They are/were the two best non-BCS schools. That's why TCU is in, and BSU will join a BCS conference.

TCU this year 5-3.

Snack PAC
Olympus Cove, Utah

Spokane Ute

Sorry to ruin your spin, but finishing 56th out of 123 FBS teams IS decidely mediocre.

A total of 123 (120 full members, 3 transitional) teams participated in the 2011 NCAA Division I FBS football season.

And your "so what" response concerning BSU and TCU is laughable, since you just invalidated you entire argument about all bcs teams being superior to all non-bcs teams.

How on earth did you conclude that BSU and TCU were "bcs worthy", since, according to you, no non-bcs team could ever be as good or better than a bcs team?

Spokane Ute
Spokane, WA

Snack PAC

Don't recall asking for your position Mr. Helper, but let me try and make heads or tales out of your rant. Going 8-4, and playing in the ACC certanly defines a good team in my book. And yes, obviously TCU and BSU are BCS worthy, as they will both join, or have joined, a BCS conferences. That's a no brainer. "Invalidated you entire arguement....". I have no idea what you are saying? I'm not so sure you do either.

Spokane Ute
Spokane, WA

@ Rockwell
I've got to run, so we will agree to disagree. You feel Georgia Tech had a medicore year, and I feel they had a good year. Fair Enough. BSU and TCU are oviously BCS teams. BYU could be, but I feel the no playing on Sunday line hurts there chance to join a BCS conference. Stay dry and well talk later on another thread. Take it easy; and have a good evening!

Duckhunter
Highland, UT

@spokane ute

No I do not think Georgia Tech was a "good" team last year. They were ok, middle of the pack, not good.

Spokane Ute
Spokane, WA

Ducky

Earlier you rated them as a bad team, or did you conveniently forget that John White had a great day against them? So if they were middle of the road last year, what are they this year?

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