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Letter: President Obama has made some obvious lies about Mitt Romney

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  • BYUalum South Jordan, UT
    Nov. 2, 2012 10:23 p.m.

    Eric Samuelson,

    I award you first prize for the most liberal comments.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Nov. 2, 2012 5:43 p.m.

    you know you are in trouble when you elect a president with the initials BO. How fitting and descriptive of his entire nightmarish presidency. Lies are what the entire Obama presidency has been built on with the latest disgraceful display in Libya. I think even worse are those who condone his lies and hide them... the 47%!

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Nov. 2, 2012 5:38 p.m.

    Obama lie? Really? Wow - what a revelation.

  • mark Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 2, 2012 12:41 p.m.

    Yes Christian, I misspelled Bean. Oops. I made a typo. But you were not able to practice critical thinking when it came to an accusation easily disproven. I'll take the typo.

    And you think Bean's other claim, "His main ideas for the last 4 years is to raise taxes and increase the national debt. . . " is accurate? You really think Obama's main ideas have been to raise taxes (when he hasn't, and it has nothing to do with Congress. By the way, back up your claim that Congress has stopped President Obama from raising taxes, "He hasn't always had the congress let him". Show us where he tried to raise taxes, and Congress stopped him) and raise the debt? Really? His main ideas?

    Well, agree with whoever you wish.

    And again with the anger thing? Really?

    And about your earlier statement:

    It is more likely to get read and thought about rather than just make the liberals angry. Making them angry is all too easy. Getting them to listen and think is the challenge.

    Are you in the habit, Christian, of labeling, and putting other people in boxes? Perhaps you should listen to others, not prejudge them.

  • 22ozn44ozglass Southern Utah, UT
    Nov. 2, 2012 12:07 p.m.

    "That's what I will do in bringing all parties together, not negotiating behind closed doors, but bringing all parties together, and broadcasting those negotiations on C-SPAN so that the American people can see what the choices are, because part of what we have to do is enlist the American people in this process," Obama said at a debate in Los Angeles on Jan. 31, 2008."

    “We need tougher border security, and a renewed focus on busting up gangs and traffickers crossing our border. . . . That begins at home, with comprehensive immigration reform. That means securing our border and passing tough employer enforcement laws.” Then-candidate Obama, discussing the need for border security, speaking in Miami on May 23, 2008.

  • 22ozn44ozglass Southern Utah, UT
    Nov. 2, 2012 11:53 a.m.

    "One year from now, we have the chance to tell all those corporate lobbyists that the days of them setting the agenda in Washington are over. I have done more to take on lobbyists than any other candidate in this race - and I've won. I don't take a dime of their money, and when I am president, they won't find a job in my White House." -- Barack Obama, November 3, 2007

    "As Justice Louis Brandeis once said, sunlight is the greatest disinfectant. The more people know about how federal laws, rules and regulations are made, and who's making them, the less likely it is that critical decisions will be hijacked by lobbyists and special interests. I think the current administration knows that, too, which is why it's been the most defiantly secretive government in modern times. It's time to change that. When there is a bill that ends up on my desk as President, you will have five days to look online and find out what's in it before I sign it." -- Barack Obama, June 22, 2007

  • Redshirt1701 Deep Space 9, Ut
    Nov. 2, 2012 11:34 a.m.

    To "mark" you obviously did not read either article. The Washington post article said that "the ad’s reference to Jeep production in China is technically correct but misleading". Also, according to the NY Times article "Chrysler LLC" from October 31, 2012 we find that "when the federal government forced it into bankruptcy, pumped in $10 billion in taxpayer funds and put it under the control of the Italian automaker Fiat." Isn't Fiat an Italian company?

    It looks like the fact checkers got it wrong too.

  • Christian 24-7 Murray, UT
    Nov. 1, 2012 10:56 p.m.

    Well Mark, I will overlook your misspelling of Bean in exchange for me missing the math issue on the Washington statement. The 5 trillion dollar Obama debt still stands though, and it is a very problematic issue in my book.

    As for everything else in Mr. Bean's comment, I agree. That includes, "His main ideas for the last 4 years is to raise taxes and..." The president has talked about raising taxes incessantly. He hasn't always had the congress let him, but Mr. Bean just said that it was one of the president's main ideas, and it definitely is.

    And by the way, your writing tone sounds angry and I am glad you are thinking.

  • mark Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 1, 2012 9:54 p.m.

    Redshirt, I just want you to know, this D-News guys protect you. I swear I get more of my comments aimed at you thrown out then any others. Anyway let me try again.

    You used this headline from Brietbart to try to convince us that Romney was correct in his stance on Jeep:
    Fact Check: Washington Post Calls Romney Jeep Ad 'Correct'

    The problem, the WaPo fact check referred to gave Romney's claims "Four Pinocchios". In other words Romney really, really lied. So why are you trying to mislead us?

  • mark Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 1, 2012 9:25 p.m.

    Mr Beam says, "His main ideas for the last 4 years is to raise taxes and increase the national debt by more than $5 trillion... more than all presidents since George Washington... COMBINED!"

    Mr Bean, can you tell us what federal taxes you have seen increased? In fact, if you work, you have seen your federal taxes (payroll taxes) decrease.

    Can you also do some simple math for us? What is the debt today? You claim that President Obama has increased the debt by five trillion. You also say this is more then all the previous presidents combined. So if five trillion is more then that added by all the previous presidents, combined. The amount by all previous presidents has to be less the 5 trillion, right.

    So the equation, and like I said, its easy:

    5 trillion + less then 5 trillion = x

    X is the total national debt today. Is your answer correct, Mr Bean?

    Christian 24-7, you agree with Mr Bean? Really? Which part?

    By the way, I'm not angry. And I'm listening. So tell me how your math works out. And be careful, because I sure am thinking.

  • mark Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 1, 2012 8:04 p.m.

    "I saw a story today that one of the great manufacturers in this state, Jeep, now owned by the Italians, is thinking of moving all production to China," Mitt Romney to supporters in Ohio.

    Redshirt says: Romney did not say all Jeep production would be in China.

    Mitt Romney says: . . . moving all production to China

    Redshirt, listening to Brieghtbart's orginazation and Glenn Beck (the Blaze) is not the best way to gather information.

  • Christian 24-7 Murray, UT
    Nov. 1, 2012 2:40 p.m.

    Mr. Bean

    yes I agree, but I try to be diplomatic about it. It is more likely to get read and thought about rather than just make the liberals angry. Making them angry is all too easy. Getting them to listen and think is the challenge.

  • RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT
    Nov. 1, 2012 12:59 p.m.

    To "ugottabkidn" so then you agree that Romney told the truth, and no matter how many times the MSM or the Obama minions keep repeating it, it isn't true.

    I am glad to see that at least one liberal out there is starting to understand it.

  • ugottabkidn Sandy, UT
    Nov. 1, 2012 12:40 p.m.

    RedShirt, the lie is when he and his minions keep repeating it over and over. Sound familar?

  • RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT
    Nov. 1, 2012 10:03 a.m.

    To "Emajor" and "Blue" at the time Romney made the adds, all indications were that Chrysler was moving jeep production to China (Romney did not say all Jeep production would be in China). So, where is the lie, at the time a Chrysler official stated that they were going to be expanding and building jeeps in China. Just because somebody came out yesterday to say something that contradicts previous statements does not make the original statements false.

    Go and read the fact checking articles that actually contain the quotes from Chrysler stating that Fiat (Italian company) owns a lot of Chrysler, and that they are going to be moving some jeep production to China.

    Where is the lie?

  • wrz Ogden, UT
    Nov. 1, 2012 9:41 a.m.

    @Mad Hatter:

    "It's not just Barack Obama saying these things about Mitt Romney's inconsistent statements. Both Rick Santorum and Newt Gingrich said the same thing during the Republican primary."

    It was Hillary Clinton who questioned Barack Hussein Obama's citizenship in the 2008 presidential primaries, and thus his eligibility to run for president. Perhaps Hillary got this from Obama's own book and later in a recorded speech wherein he states in plain English: 'I was born in Kenya and raised in Indonesia and Hawaii.'

  • Mr. Bean Ogden, UT
    Oct. 31, 2012 11:34 p.m.

    @Christian 24-7:

    "He (Obama) is just throwing out inaccuracies and guesses."

    Or, in other words, he's throwing out lies.

    "Why doesn't he ever tell us his agenda?"

    He's told us... 'Hope & Change.'

    "Could it be that he has no new ideas and the ideas from the last 4 years have not been good for the country?"

    His main ideas for the last 4 years is to raise taxes and increase the national debt by more than $5 trillion... more than all presidents since George Washington... COMBINED!

  • Alfred Ogden, UT
    Oct. 31, 2012 10:48 p.m.

    @Furry1993:

    "Romney DOES break promises if they get in his way, and he DOES say anything he thinks it will take to get votes..."

    Obama main plan is 'Hope & Change.' There's something you can count on. Deliberate obfuscation to attract the uninformed voter.

    @ECR:

    "The president's belief in the free enterprise system is manifest in his desire to see that everyone has a job..."

    Government jobs don't count. That's mostly what he can offer.

    "... and yet the president's enemies have criticized him for the help he has offered the auto industry in saving the jobs..."

    The jobs he saved were union jobs... so he'd get their vote. Political dishonesty.

    "His belief in self-reliance is evidenced in his own life - brought up in a middle class family he put himself through college..."

    We don't know who financed his education since he refuses to reveal his college/university records. Many think he registered and was funded as a foreign student.

    "He thinks all people should be justly rewarded for their hard work, not just those who find themselves at the top of the income tree."

    In other words, he's a true socialist.

  • Christian 24-7 Murray, UT
    Oct. 31, 2012 9:45 p.m.

    To Blue:

    So Obama spends all his time telling us what his opponents think and what they will do. What makes him the authority on them and their ideas? He cannot know all truth about his opponents. He is just throwing out inaccuracies and guesses.

    He can speak on his own thoughts and plans with full accuracy. Why doesn't he ever tell us his agenda? Could it be that he has no new ideas and the ideas from the last 4 years have not been good for the country?

  • Truthseeker SLO, CA
    Oct. 31, 2012 5:29 p.m.

    A tweet from McKay Coppins regarding Romney's Jeep ad:

    McKay Coppins ‏@mckaycoppins "There's really no good explanation or excuse for it. Mitt Romney's Jeep ad is misleading. Full stop."

    Ouch!

  • Blue Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 31, 2012 4:53 p.m.

    Redshirt, from yesterday's Detroit Free Press:

    Chrysler CEO Sergio Marchionne used an e-mail to employees today to refute the implication in a Romney TV ad that Chrysler may move all Jeep production from the U.S. to China.

    “Jeep production will not be moved from the United States to China,” Marchionne stated in the e-mail. “The numbers tell the story,” followed by specific investments Chrysler has made at its plants in Detroit, Toledo and Belvidere, Ill. “Those include more than $1.7 billion to produce the successor of the Jeep Liberty and hire about 1,100 workers on a second shift by 2013.”

    Romney is lying, again.

    The problem is your use of Brietbart as a news source.

  • Emajor Ogden, UT
    Oct. 31, 2012 4:36 p.m.

    Redshirt,
    Blue is correct about the Jeep statement. In a campaign speech in Ohio before the Jeep ads were aired, Romney stated that "Jeep...is thinking of moving all production to China." Romney misinterpreted a Bloomberg article. Jeep is not moving production or jobs out of America, it wants to build additional cars in China for the market over there. This might have been an honest mistake on Romney's part.

    But here's where the lie comes in: This mistake was discovered early on by the Romney campaign, and the wording was made ambiguous in the ads we are referring to. But the ad gives the impression that Jeep is taking American production and jobs away: "(Obama)...sold Chrysler to Italians who are going to build Jeeps in China. Mitt Romney will fight for every American job". It's factually correct, but it's very misleading. There is no reason to include that statement during expensive, scarce air time if it was not intended to make people think Jeep is outsourcing existing American jobs. Romney knows this, and so does Breitbart.

    Typical election year stuff, nothing to see here, move along.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 31, 2012 4:33 p.m.

    Meanwhile Romney is running ads in Ohio lying about what Chrysler wants to do with their Jeep manufacturing jobs.

  • RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT
    Oct. 31, 2012 3:25 p.m.

    To "Blue" name one lie that Romney has used.

    The Jeep add has been declared correct. No lies there. See "Fact Check: Washington Post Calls Romney Jeep Ad 'Correct'" at Breitbart, and "So What’s the Deal With That Romney Jeep Ad That Has the Left so Annoyed?" at the Blaze (this one has video to support Romney's claim).

    So again, name the lie. So far you have only shown that you are impervious to the truth.

  • Blue Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 31, 2012 2:02 p.m.

    Hemlock,

    You are referring to Mr. Obama speaking at the Democratic National Convention, decrying Sen. McCain's approach to the election. Understand? He's criticizing the approach the McCain campaign was taking towards Obama - he's paraphrasing McCain:

    "Because if you don't have any fresh ideas then you use stale tactics to scare voters," he says. "If you don't have a record to run on, then you paint your opponent as someone people should run from."

    This is exactly the same kind of outright lie that Romney used in his campaign ad claiming that Obama said, "If we keep talking about the economy, we're going to lose." Obama was referring to something that McCain had said, but Mr. Romney intentionally distorted the words to portray them as the position of Mr. Obama.

    Now we have Romney's blatant, bald-faced lie about Jeep moving production to China at the expense of US jobs.

    Romney's willingness to lie, frequently, and never admit to his lies even when confronted by the counterfactual truth, is appalling.

    Romney's lies are so numerous, so blatant, and so clearly intentional that it is beyond me how anyone can vote for him.

  • Curmudgeon Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 31, 2012 1:12 p.m.

    @Big Rich:

    "Sometimes when you've mess [sic] up and don't admit it, it's easy to point the finger at the person who had to fix your mess."

    Well said. It perfectly describes the Republicans' criticism of President Obama's efforts to clean up the Bush disaster.

  • RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT
    Oct. 31, 2012 12:52 p.m.

    To "ugottabkidn" I don't think you know anything about Romney that has not been given to you by the MSM. Even the most liberal economics professors have looked at Bain capital and Romney's time there, and they admit that if you look at the jobs created and subtract out the jobs lost, Romney still has a net increase in jobs created. If you look at it from the point of view that the companies that failed under Bain were going to fail despite their efforts, Romney would be responsible for creating over 130,000.

    You can keep believing the lies. Just because you believe the lie will never make it truth.

  • Mad Hatter Provo, UT
    Oct. 31, 2012 12:23 p.m.

    It's not just Barack Obama saying these things about Mitt Romney's inconsisent statements. Both Rick Santorum and Newt Gingrich said the same thing during the Republican primary. In fact, Gingrich called Romney a "Massachusetts moderate" which we all saw when he morphed in the first debate.

    There was "severely conservative" Mitt to win the primary, then came "moderate" Mitt to make himself look less fearsome during the first debate, and finally "Obama" Mitt to counter the war talk by his neocon advisors and the tough talk about Iran.

    The question independents and conservatives need to ask is: "What Mitt will we get?" If Mitt doesn't take the extreme position he promised to take during the Republican primary, the Tea Party will be up in arms. If Mitt veers Right to satisfy conservative voters, the independents who vote for him will be equally upset.

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    Oct. 31, 2012 12:01 p.m.

    Hemlock, I mentioned "solid" documentation.

    "Documentation" from a flock of extreme right wing nut sites is not documentation.

  • liberal larry salt lake City, utah
    Oct. 31, 2012 11:38 a.m.

    I want to give a big shout out to the DNews for daring to print any letter that brooches the subject of Mitt's credibility.

    It's like lobbing underhand pitches to the moderates, and liberals who comment on these conservative letters.

  • BigRich Orem, UT
    Oct. 31, 2012 11:18 a.m.

    ugottabkidn: You gotta be kidding! No dismantling has taken place under O'bama? Better look at the roots of the guy and consider his long term agenda. There will be one big pile of bricks and you get to pay the price. And as far as the Olympics go, the only people who had hurt feelings were those who took offense to the correct actions that he took. Sometimes when you've mess up and don't admit it, it's easy to point the finger at the person who had to fix your mess.

  • ugottabkidn Sandy, UT
    Oct. 31, 2012 11:00 a.m.

    The author needs to step out of the his local chapel to really and honestly examine the Master Weathervane's record along with his stalking Jester called Chaffetz. When a recent governor is 20 points down in his home state that speaks volumes. The reality of his Bain days which he touts as a job creator is only a rouse that eliminated far more jobs than were ever created unless you count Bain employees in the hundreds of thousands. Even his most successful stint of leader of the SL Olympics were clouded by several demonstrations of his calloused attitude toward others illustrating a unattractive side of his character. No, we don't want a man whose goal is to dismantle the republic dollar by dollar, we want someone that will rebuild the republic brick by brick.

  • The Real Maverick Orem, UT
    Oct. 31, 2012 10:55 a.m.

    "As our two major presidential candidates sprint to the finish line, President Obama has decided to attack Mitt Romney on the basis that Romney will not keep his promises and will say anything to get elected.

    This is an audacious claim"

    No... No Steve, it is not.

    Nothing could be closer to the truth.

    Even the most ardent Romney supporters are very much aware of his flip flopping and saying/promising anything to buy off votes. Your letter reeks of desperation.

    Your inability to see this only demonstrates how incredibly wise our founding fathers were when they created the Electoral College.

    We cannot leave the election of our President to the ignorant, blind, biased, and completely ill-informed masses.

  • uncommonsense CENTERVILLE, UT
    Oct. 31, 2012 10:13 a.m.

    @ one old man, That statement from Obama is factual. You can Google it or YouTube it. I've seen the proof of his statement several times. But go ahead and vote for second term for a man who promised that if he didn't turn things around and have the deficit cut in half, unemployment under 6%, and the "most transparent administration" ever, that he would be a one term president.

  • Eric Samuelsen Provo, UT
    Oct. 31, 2012 9:58 a.m.

    I think we need a contest, for silliest conservative letters. First prize could be a trip, maybe, or a cruise. To Somalia; it's nice this time of year, and a laissez-faire paradise. No government, no interference with free markets. Plus, you know: Pirates! Who doesn't like pirates! Honestly, you'll have a good time.

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    Oct. 31, 2012 9:37 a.m.

    Hemlock claims that "As Mr. Obama said during the 2008 campaign, if you don't have any new ideas then focus on insulting your opponent."

    Let's see some solid documentation of that "quote."

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    Oct. 31, 2012 9:15 a.m.

    Mr. Fillerup said, "Fill me up!"

    And they did.

    They filled him with nonsense and he was gullible enough to believe them.

  • Hemlock Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 31, 2012 8:58 a.m.

    As Mr. Obama said during the 2008 campaign, if you don't have any new ideas then focus on insulting your opponent. It's the "kill Romney" strategy they adopted early on. What's the president going to tout; 38 failed/failing government subsidized green jobs, 23 million unemployed, "shovel ready" jobs, the lowest percentage of employed workers in history, a $9 trillion debt ballooned to $16 trillion in four years, etc?

  • louie Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Oct. 31, 2012 8:45 a.m.

    Maybe Romney's best asset is that he is a good enough "flip-flopper" that he can conceivable reach a compromise with polar opposite congress members. But the rest of us have no idea what kind of compromise will turnout.

  • Truthseeker SLO, CA
    Oct. 31, 2012 7:47 a.m.

    Can you name a single President who kept all his "promises/pledges?"

    Presidents are constrained by many factors from keeping promises. The major factor is Congress. Another factor is changing circumstances. There are many other reasons why a President can't/ doesn't keep all thier promises. Adults understand that. I can guarantee a President Romney won't keep all his promises, such as "repealing" Obamacare the first day he is in office. He also won't be able to implement all the tax cuts he's proposed without increasing the debt and/or raising taxes on middle class families.

    Politifact does a fairly decent job of keeping score of Obama's record of "promise-keeping."

    Democrats also believe in free enterprise and self-reliance. They just live in the real world where people sometimes need help and free enterprise needs umpires.

  • Twin Lights Louisville, KY
    Oct. 31, 2012 7:36 a.m.

    What?!?!

    You say that politicians lie?

    The next thing you will tell me is that bears do their business in the woods . . .

  • Roland Kayser Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Oct. 31, 2012 7:11 a.m.

    This what the American Conservative website said about Romney:

    "Mitt Romney’s national ambitions represent little more than a nihilistic pursuit of power for power’s sake. No one knows for sure how he would govern because he very likely doesn’t, either. He has been on both sides of nearly every issue of substance not merely throughout his career, but sometimes during this campaign. Yes, all politicians trim, hedge, occasionally even change their minds. With Romney it is a characterological defect. His utter lack of intellectual honesty — indeed of any recognizable intellectual core whatsoever — is not something that should be rewarded even in a political system as shallow and dysfunctional as ours."

  • CHS 85 Sandy, UT
    Oct. 31, 2012 7:09 a.m.

    I hope Governor Romney wins for one simple reason. I want the opportunity to dog him every second of every day when he doesn't single-handedly create 250,000 jobs every single month. When my 20% tax cut doesn't materialize because of the loss of these mysterious deductions and exemptions, I want someone to take the blame. If he for one second blames the previous President, I'll be here to keep my criticism going. That's the Utah way.

  • Curmudgeon Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 31, 2012 6:56 a.m.

    On the prevarication scale, Obama doesn't hold a candle to Mitt Romney.

  • Ranch Here, UT
    Oct. 31, 2012 6:47 a.m.

    Mitt Romney has made some obvious lies about Obama. Not to mention that every other word issuing from his mouth is a flip or a flop or a flip back.

  • embarrassed Utahn! Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 31, 2012 6:26 a.m.

    And Romney has just been rebuked by Jeep for the lies he's currently repeating.

    Do people in Utah even pay attention to fact-checkers?

    I think Romney is far more guilty of using lies. President Obama's shortcomings on "keeping promises" are mostly due to Republican obstructionists. Maybe in his next term, President Obama will stop trying to play nice with people who want only to see him fail, not to work for the American people like they were elected to do.

  • ECR Burke, VA
    Oct. 31, 2012 5:57 a.m.

    When someone uses words longer than three syllables they tend to think the rest of their premise will be accepted without challenge. But this one must be challenged. While making broad statements about the presidents beliefs this author chooses not to provide any documented evidence to support his statements. The president's belief in the free enterprise system is manifest in his desire to see that everyone has a job, and yet the president's enemies have criticized him for the help he has offered the auto indutry in saving the jobs of almost a million workers. His belief in self-reliance is evidenced in his own life - brought up in a middle class family he put himself through college, took time to help a disadvantaged community find strength and then obtaioned the highest office in the land. He thinks all people should be justly rewarded for their hard work, not just those who find themselves at the top of the income tree.

    Finally, the record is there to prove that Mitt Romney has changed his position on a number of issues. The president didn't lie about Mitt Romney and or about his own beliefs.

  • Furry1993 Ogden, UT
    Oct. 31, 2012 5:27 a.m.

    Sorry, Steve. The President has been telling the truth about Romney. Romney DOES break promises if they get in his way, and he DOES say anything he thins it will take to get votes, even if it's 180 degress opposite from what he's said before. Romney is NOT what this country needs.

  • Emajor Ogden, UT
    Oct. 31, 2012 1:21 a.m.

    Steve, your three cited lies are absolute rubbish. Why is it that some conservatives think everything to the left of the Republican platform is pure socialism? In the mainstream American political system, it isn't capitalists vs. socialists. It's capitalists that favor minimal government involvement vs. capitalists that favor just a bit more government involvement. If you don't want a bit more government involvement, that's fine. But it isn't socialism or hatred of free enterprise. Obama doesn't believe in being rewarded for hard work? He's a self made millionaire, Mr. Fillerup!

    Reading letters like this are like watching someone glare at eggshell white paint and then freak out because it isn't white enough. They've obviously never seen red paint or black paint or green paint, or they would fully realize that the eggshell is far closer to pure white than it is to any of those other colors.

  • Roland Kayser Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Oct. 31, 2012 12:16 a.m.

    Name a policy, any policy, on which Romney has maintained a consistent position over the years?