Eric Samuelson,I award you first prize for the most liberal
you know you are in trouble when you elect a president with the initials BO. How
fitting and descriptive of his entire nightmarish presidency. Lies are what the
entire Obama presidency has been built on with the latest disgraceful display in
Libya. I think even worse are those who condone his lies and hide them... the
Obama lie? Really? Wow - what a revelation.
Yes Christian, I misspelled Bean. Oops. I made a typo. But you were not able to
practice critical thinking when it came to an accusation easily disproven.
I'll take the typo. And you think Bean's other claim,
"His main ideas for the last 4 years is to raise taxes and increase the
national debt. . . " is accurate? You really think Obama's main ideas
have been to raise taxes (when he hasn't, and it has nothing to do with
Congress. By the way, back up your claim that Congress has stopped President
Obama from raising taxes, "He hasn't always had the congress let
him". Show us where he tried to raise taxes, and Congress stopped him) and
raise the debt? Really? His main ideas? Well, agree with whoever you
wish. And again with the anger thing? Really? And about
your earlier statement:It is more likely to get read and thought
about rather than just make the liberals angry. Making them angry is all too
easy. Getting them to listen and think is the challenge.Are you in
the habit, Christian, of labeling, and putting other people in boxes? Perhaps
you should listen to others, not prejudge them.
"That's what I will do in bringing all parties together, not
negotiating behind closed doors, but bringing all parties together, and
broadcasting those negotiations on C-SPAN so that the American people can see
what the choices are, because part of what we have to do is enlist the American
people in this process," Obama said at a debate in Los Angeles on Jan. 31,
2008." “We need tougher border security, and a renewed
focus on busting up gangs and traffickers crossing our border. . . . That begins
at home, with comprehensive immigration reform. That means securing our border
and passing tough employer enforcement laws.” Then-candidate Obama,
discussing the need for border security, speaking in Miami on May 23, 2008.
"One year from now, we have the chance to tell all those corporate lobbyists
that the days of them setting the agenda in Washington are over. I have done
more to take on lobbyists than any other candidate in this race - and I've
won. I don't take a dime of their money, and when I am president, they
won't find a job in my White House." -- Barack Obama, November 3,
2007"As Justice Louis Brandeis once said, sunlight is the
greatest disinfectant. The more people know about how federal laws, rules and
regulations are made, and who's making them, the less likely it is that
critical decisions will be hijacked by lobbyists and special interests. I think
the current administration knows that, too, which is why it's been the most
defiantly secretive government in modern times. It's time to change that.
When there is a bill that ends up on my desk as President, you will have five
days to look online and find out what's in it before I sign it." --
Barack Obama, June 22, 2007
To "mark" you obviously did not read either article. The Washington
post article said that "the ad’s reference to Jeep production in China
is technically correct but misleading". Also, according to the NY Times
article "Chrysler LLC" from October 31, 2012 we find that "when the
federal government forced it into bankruptcy, pumped in $10 billion in taxpayer
funds and put it under the control of the Italian automaker Fiat."
Isn't Fiat an Italian company?It looks like the fact checkers
got it wrong too.
Well Mark, I will overlook your misspelling of Bean in exchange for me missing
the math issue on the Washington statement. The 5 trillion dollar Obama debt
still stands though, and it is a very problematic issue in my book.As for everything else in Mr. Bean's comment, I agree. That includes,
"His main ideas for the last 4 years is to raise taxes and..." The
president has talked about raising taxes incessantly. He hasn't always had
the congress let him, but Mr. Bean just said that it was one of the
president's main ideas, and it definitely is.And by the way,
your writing tone sounds angry and I am glad you are thinking.
Redshirt, I just want you to know, this D-News guys protect you. I swear I get
more of my comments aimed at you thrown out then any others. Anyway let me try
again. You used this headline from Brietbart to try to convince us
that Romney was correct in his stance on Jeep: Fact Check: Washington Post
Calls Romney Jeep Ad 'Correct' The problem, the WaPo fact
check referred to gave Romney's claims "Four Pinocchios". In other
words Romney really, really lied. So why are you trying to mislead us?
Mr Beam says, "His main ideas for the last 4 years is to raise taxes and
increase the national debt by more than $5 trillion... more than all presidents
since George Washington... COMBINED!"Mr Bean, can you tell us
what federal taxes you have seen increased? In fact, if you work, you have seen
your federal taxes (payroll taxes) decrease. Can you also do some
simple math for us? What is the debt today? You claim that President Obama has
increased the debt by five trillion. You also say this is more then all the
previous presidents combined. So if five trillion is more then that added by all
the previous presidents, combined. The amount by all previous presidents has to
be less the 5 trillion, right. So the equation, and like I said, its
easy: 5 trillion + less then 5 trillion = xX is the
total national debt today. Is your answer correct, Mr Bean? Christian 24-7, you agree with Mr Bean? Really? Which part? By the
way, I'm not angry. And I'm listening. So tell me how your math works
out. And be careful, because I sure am thinking.
"I saw a story today that one of the great manufacturers in this state,
Jeep, now owned by the Italians, is thinking of moving all production to
China," Mitt Romney to supporters in Ohio. Redshirt says: Romney
did not say all Jeep production would be in China. Mitt Romney says:
. . . moving all production to China Redshirt, listening to
Brieghtbart's orginazation and Glenn Beck (the Blaze) is not the best way
to gather information.
Mr. Beanyes I agree, but I try to be diplomatic about it. It is
more likely to get read and thought about rather than just make the liberals
angry. Making them angry is all too easy. Getting them to listen and think is
To "ugottabkidn" so then you agree that Romney told the truth, and no
matter how many times the MSM or the Obama minions keep repeating it, it
isn't true.I am glad to see that at least one liberal out there
is starting to understand it.
RedShirt, the lie is when he and his minions keep repeating it over and over.
To "Emajor" and "Blue" at the time Romney made the adds, all
indications were that Chrysler was moving jeep production to China (Romney did
not say all Jeep production would be in China). So, where is the lie, at the
time a Chrysler official stated that they were going to be expanding and
building jeeps in China. Just because somebody came out yesterday to say
something that contradicts previous statements does not make the original
statements false.Go and read the fact checking articles that
actually contain the quotes from Chrysler stating that Fiat (Italian company)
owns a lot of Chrysler, and that they are going to be moving some jeep
production to China.Where is the lie?
@Mad Hatter:"It's not just Barack Obama saying these things
about Mitt Romney's inconsistent statements. Both Rick Santorum and Newt
Gingrich said the same thing during the Republican primary."It
was Hillary Clinton who questioned Barack Hussein Obama's citizenship in
the 2008 presidential primaries, and thus his eligibility to run for president.
Perhaps Hillary got this from Obama's own book and later in a recorded
speech wherein he states in plain English: 'I was born in Kenya and raised
in Indonesia and Hawaii.'
@Christian 24-7:"He (Obama) is just throwing out inaccuracies
and guesses."Or, in other words, he's throwing out lies."Why doesn't he ever tell us his agenda?"He's told us... 'Hope & Change.'"Could it
be that he has no new ideas and the ideas from the last 4 years have not been
good for the country?"His main ideas for the last 4 years is to
raise taxes and increase the national debt by more than $5 trillion... more than
all presidents since George Washington... COMBINED!
@Furry1993:"Romney DOES break promises if they get in his way,
and he DOES say anything he thinks it will take to get votes..."Obama main plan is 'Hope & Change.' There's something you
can count on. Deliberate obfuscation to attract the uninformed voter.@ECR:"The president's belief in the free enterprise
system is manifest in his desire to see that everyone has a job..."Government jobs don't count. That's mostly what he can offer."... and yet the president's enemies have criticized him for
the help he has offered the auto industry in saving the jobs..."The jobs he saved were union jobs... so he'd get their vote. Political
dishonesty."His belief in self-reliance is evidenced in his own
life - brought up in a middle class family he put himself through
college..."We don't know who financed his education since
he refuses to reveal his college/university records. Many think he registered
and was funded as a foreign student. "He thinks all people
should be justly rewarded for their hard work, not just those who find
themselves at the top of the income tree."In other words,
he's a true socialist.
To Blue:So Obama spends all his time telling us what his opponents
think and what they will do. What makes him the authority on them and their
ideas? He cannot know all truth about his opponents. He is just throwing out
inaccuracies and guesses. He can speak on his own thoughts and plans
with full accuracy. Why doesn't he ever tell us his agenda? Could it be
that he has no new ideas and the ideas from the last 4 years have not been good
for the country?
A tweet from McKay Coppins regarding Romney's Jeep ad:McKay
Coppins @mckaycoppins "There's really no good explanation or
excuse for it. Mitt Romney's Jeep ad is misleading. Full stop."Ouch!
Redshirt, from yesterday's Detroit Free Press:Chrysler CEO
Sergio Marchionne used an e-mail to employees today to refute the implication in
a Romney TV ad that Chrysler may move all Jeep production from the U.S. to
China.“Jeep production will not be moved from the United
States to China,” Marchionne stated in the e-mail. “The numbers tell
the story,” followed by specific investments Chrysler has made at its
plants in Detroit, Toledo and Belvidere, Ill. “Those include more than
$1.7 billion to produce the successor of the Jeep Liberty and hire about 1,100
workers on a second shift by 2013.”Romney is lying, again.The problem is your use of Brietbart as a news source.
Redshirt,Blue is correct about the Jeep statement. In a campaign speech in
Ohio before the Jeep ads were aired, Romney stated that "Jeep...is thinking
of moving all production to China." Romney misinterpreted a Bloomberg
article. Jeep is not moving production or jobs out of America, it wants to build
additional cars in China for the market over there. This might have been an
honest mistake on Romney's part. But here's where the lie
comes in: This mistake was discovered early on by the Romney campaign, and the
wording was made ambiguous in the ads we are referring to. But the ad gives the
impression that Jeep is taking American production and jobs away:
"(Obama)...sold Chrysler to Italians who are going to build Jeeps in China.
Mitt Romney will fight for every American job". It's factually correct,
but it's very misleading. There is no reason to include that statement
during expensive, scarce air time if it was not intended to make people think
Jeep is outsourcing existing American jobs. Romney knows this, and so does
Breitbart. Typical election year stuff, nothing to see here, move
Meanwhile Romney is running ads in Ohio lying about what Chrysler wants to do
with their Jeep manufacturing jobs.
To "Blue" name one lie that Romney has used.The Jeep add has
been declared correct. No lies there. See "Fact Check: Washington Post
Calls Romney Jeep Ad 'Correct'" at Breitbart, and "So
What’s the Deal With That Romney Jeep Ad That Has the Left so
Annoyed?" at the Blaze (this one has video to support Romney's
claim).So again, name the lie. So far you have only shown that you
are impervious to the truth.
Hemlock, You are referring to Mr. Obama speaking at the Democratic
National Convention, decrying Sen. McCain's approach to the election.
Understand? He's criticizing the approach the McCain campaign was taking
towards Obama - he's paraphrasing McCain:"Because if you
don't have any fresh ideas then you use stale tactics to scare voters,"
he says. "If you don't have a record to run on, then you paint your
opponent as someone people should run from."This is exactly the
same kind of outright lie that Romney used in his campaign ad claiming that
Obama said, "If we keep talking about the economy, we're going to
lose." Obama was referring to something that McCain had said, but Mr.
Romney intentionally distorted the words to portray them as the position of Mr.
Obama.Now we have Romney's blatant, bald-faced lie about Jeep
moving production to China at the expense of US jobs.Romney's
willingness to lie, frequently, and never admit to his lies even when confronted
by the counterfactual truth, is appalling.Romney's lies are so
numerous, so blatant, and so clearly intentional that it is beyond me how anyone
can vote for him.
@Big Rich:"Sometimes when you've mess [sic] up and
don't admit it, it's easy to point the finger at the person who had to
fix your mess."Well said. It perfectly describes the
Republicans' criticism of President Obama's efforts to clean up the
To "ugottabkidn" I don't think you know anything about Romney that
has not been given to you by the MSM. Even the most liberal economics
professors have looked at Bain capital and Romney's time there, and they
admit that if you look at the jobs created and subtract out the jobs lost,
Romney still has a net increase in jobs created. If you look at it from the
point of view that the companies that failed under Bain were going to fail
despite their efforts, Romney would be responsible for creating over 130,000.You can keep believing the lies. Just because you believe the lie will
never make it truth.
It's not just Barack Obama saying these things about Mitt Romney's
inconsisent statements. Both Rick Santorum and Newt Gingrich said the same
thing during the Republican primary. In fact, Gingrich called Romney a
"Massachusetts moderate" which we all saw when he morphed in the first
debate.There was "severely conservative" Mitt to win the
primary, then came "moderate" Mitt to make himself look less fearsome
during the first debate, and finally "Obama" Mitt to counter the war
talk by his neocon advisors and the tough talk about Iran.The
question independents and conservatives need to ask is: "What Mitt will we
get?" If Mitt doesn't take the extreme position he promised to take
during the Republican primary, the Tea Party will be up in arms. If Mitt veers
Right to satisfy conservative voters, the independents who vote for him will be
Hemlock, I mentioned "solid" documentation."Documentation" from a flock of extreme right wing nut sites is not
I want to give a big shout out to the DNews for daring to print any letter that
brooches the subject of Mitt's credibility. It's like
lobbing underhand pitches to the moderates, and liberals who comment on these
ugottabkidn: You gotta be kidding! No dismantling has taken place under
O'bama? Better look at the roots of the guy and consider his long term
agenda. There will be one big pile of bricks and you get to pay the price. And
as far as the Olympics go, the only people who had hurt feelings were those who
took offense to the correct actions that he took. Sometimes when you've
mess up and don't admit it, it's easy to point the finger at the
person who had to fix your mess.
The author needs to step out of the his local chapel to really and honestly
examine the Master Weathervane's record along with his stalking Jester
called Chaffetz. When a recent governor is 20 points down in his home state that
speaks volumes. The reality of his Bain days which he touts as a job creator is
only a rouse that eliminated far more jobs than were ever created unless you
count Bain employees in the hundreds of thousands. Even his most successful
stint of leader of the SL Olympics were clouded by several demonstrations of his
calloused attitude toward others illustrating a unattractive side of his
character. No, we don't want a man whose goal is to dismantle the republic
dollar by dollar, we want someone that will rebuild the republic brick by brick.
"As our two major presidential candidates sprint to the finish line,
President Obama has decided to attack Mitt Romney on the basis that Romney will
not keep his promises and will say anything to get elected.This is
an audacious claim"No... No Steve, it is not.Nothing
could be closer to the truth. Even the most ardent Romney supporters
are very much aware of his flip flopping and saying/promising anything to buy
off votes. Your letter reeks of desperation.Your inability to see
this only demonstrates how incredibly wise our founding fathers were when they
created the Electoral College.We cannot leave the election of our
President to the ignorant, blind, biased, and completely ill-informed masses.
@ one old man, That statement from Obama is factual. You can Google it or
YouTube it. I've seen the proof of his statement several times. But go
ahead and vote for second term for a man who promised that if he didn't
turn things around and have the deficit cut in half, unemployment under 6%, and
the "most transparent administration" ever, that he would be a one term
I think we need a contest, for silliest conservative letters. First prize could
be a trip, maybe, or a cruise. To Somalia; it's nice this time of year, and
a laissez-faire paradise. No government, no interference with free markets.
Plus, you know: Pirates! Who doesn't like pirates! Honestly, you'll
have a good time.
Hemlock claims that "As Mr. Obama said during the 2008 campaign, if you
don't have any new ideas then focus on insulting your opponent."Let's see some solid documentation of that "quote."
Mr. Fillerup said, "Fill me up!"And they did.They filled him with nonsense and he was gullible enough to believe them.
As Mr. Obama said during the 2008 campaign, if you don't have any new ideas
then focus on insulting your opponent. It's the "kill Romney"
strategy they adopted early on. What's the president going to tout; 38
failed/failing government subsidized green jobs, 23 million unemployed,
"shovel ready" jobs, the lowest percentage of employed workers in
history, a $9 trillion debt ballooned to $16 trillion in four years, etc?
Maybe Romney's best asset is that he is a good enough
"flip-flopper" that he can conceivable reach a compromise with polar
opposite congress members. But the rest of us have no idea what kind of
compromise will turnout.
Can you name a single President who kept all his "promises/pledges?"Presidents are constrained by many factors from keeping promises. The
major factor is Congress. Another factor is changing circumstances. There are
many other reasons why a President can't/ doesn't keep all thier
promises. Adults understand that. I can guarantee a President Romney
won't keep all his promises, such as "repealing" Obamacare the
first day he is in office. He also won't be able to implement all the tax
cuts he's proposed without increasing the debt and/or raising taxes on
middle class families. Politifact does a fairly decent job of
keeping score of Obama's record of "promise-keeping."Democrats also believe in free enterprise and self-reliance. They just live
in the real world where people sometimes need help and free enterprise needs
What?!?!You say that politicians lie?The next thing you
will tell me is that bears do their business in the woods . . .
This what the American Conservative website said about Romney:
"Mitt Romney’s national ambitions represent little more than a
nihilistic pursuit of power for power’s sake. No one knows for sure how he
would govern because he very likely doesn’t, either. He has been on both
sides of nearly every issue of substance not merely throughout his career, but
sometimes during this campaign. Yes, all politicians trim, hedge, occasionally
even change their minds. With Romney it is a characterological defect. His utter
lack of intellectual honesty — indeed of any recognizable intellectual
core whatsoever — is not something that should be rewarded even in a
political system as shallow and dysfunctional as ours."
I hope Governor Romney wins for one simple reason. I want the opportunity to
dog him every second of every day when he doesn't single-handedly create
250,000 jobs every single month. When my 20% tax cut doesn't materialize
because of the loss of these mysterious deductions and exemptions, I want
someone to take the blame. If he for one second blames the previous President,
I'll be here to keep my criticism going. That's the Utah way.
On the prevarication scale, Obama doesn't hold a candle to Mitt Romney.
Mitt Romney has made some obvious lies about Obama. Not to mention that every
other word issuing from his mouth is a flip or a flop or a flip back.
And Romney has just been rebuked by Jeep for the lies he's currently
repeating. Do people in Utah even pay attention to fact-checkers?
I think Romney is far more guilty of using lies. President
Obama's shortcomings on "keeping promises" are mostly due to
Republican obstructionists. Maybe in his next term, President Obama will stop
trying to play nice with people who want only to see him fail, not to work for
the American people like they were elected to do.
When someone uses words longer than three syllables they tend to think the rest
of their premise will be accepted without challenge. But this one must be
challenged. While making broad statements about the presidents beliefs this
author chooses not to provide any documented evidence to support his statements.
The president's belief in the free enterprise system is manifest in his
desire to see that everyone has a job, and yet the president's enemies have
criticized him for the help he has offered the auto indutry in saving the jobs
of almost a million workers. His belief in self-reliance is evidenced in his own
life - brought up in a middle class family he put himself through college, took
time to help a disadvantaged community find strength and then obtaioned the
highest office in the land. He thinks all people should be justly rewarded for
their hard work, not just those who find themselves at the top of the income
tree. Finally, the record is there to prove that Mitt Romney has
changed his position on a number of issues. The president didn't lie about
Mitt Romney and or about his own beliefs.
Sorry, Steve. The President has been telling the truth about Romney. Romney
DOES break promises if they get in his way, and he DOES say anything he thins it
will take to get votes, even if it's 180 degress opposite from what
he's said before. Romney is NOT what this country needs.
Steve, your three cited lies are absolute rubbish. Why is it that some
conservatives think everything to the left of the Republican platform is pure
socialism? In the mainstream American political system, it isn't
capitalists vs. socialists. It's capitalists that favor minimal government
involvement vs. capitalists that favor just a bit more government involvement.
If you don't want a bit more government involvement, that's fine. But
it isn't socialism or hatred of free enterprise. Obama doesn't believe
in being rewarded for hard work? He's a self made millionaire, Mr.
Fillerup!Reading letters like this are like watching someone glare
at eggshell white paint and then freak out because it isn't white enough.
They've obviously never seen red paint or black paint or green paint, or
they would fully realize that the eggshell is far closer to pure white than it
is to any of those other colors.
Name a policy, any policy, on which Romney has maintained a consistent position
over the years?