@FarceI have to address the Farce.Your FYI, sorry but
all opinions are not unbiased. Those who have ties to certain schools are not
considered biased. Thus the reason that many TV stations and referees are not
allowed to broadcast or referee their alma maters school. Because they cannot
remain unbiased. This is a true factual statement.You picking Alta
has nothing to do with "Homer Glasses", the fact you responded the way
you did. You don't know what homer glasses are.The theory of
comparible scores that you say never works was a mock on your theory of why a
certain school should win of who beat who. I was mocking you, and your thoughts
that Davis will lose because Brighton beat Davis, and Lone Peak beat Brighton
and it came down to the end. Seriously, folks you have to know what
you write yourself and read all the post so that their is a full knowledge of
what is being said. It is not just two people taking here, there are several.
You can equate which post goes with which by reading them all.
@ProudBigBrotherMaybe I didn't make myself clear enough in the
several other post I laid out. I was responding to post directly to specific
statements. I will try to be clear.1) Last year is last year and I
do not care what happened last year2) This year, I think Alta is a very
good team as well as Jordan, Syracuse and Bingham3) I really do not think
anyone else other than the four just mentioned have a shot at winning the title
in 5A4) I am not saying you, with your contact who plays for Alta. But,
many are looking past Syracuse Football judging merely on their schedule this
year. I am only saying, do not look past Syracuse, I have seen them play, they
play very disciplined football.5) Those who have played football know that
a disciplined football team that plays disciplined assignment football is very
hard to beat. They are talented.6) I pick Syracuse to win this game,
could Alta win, Absolutely! They are good.7) If anyone disagrees with any
of this other than my pick of course. You have never played football.Nothing different than I have already said.
@Utah BruinSo basically, you're claiming that if Brock Anderson, and
his backup got injured, followed by Mason Woodward and Kiwa Mo'o, Syracuse
would still win, because the rest of Syracuse is so fundamentally sound and
diciplined? Wow, quite the claim. I highly doubt that, and I doubt that even
Hagatha would agree. And just because Alta has some outstanding
players, as I would also consider Brock Anderson to be, doesn't mean that
the rest of Alta is undiciplined.
I'm everywhere binghamalum, you beloved bingham fan that exited in teh 2nd
round last year!!! Woot Woot!!
papi chulo is backThe fremont fan last year who loved when his beloved
Silverwolves beat the Miners at there home field! and still didnt win state!
even though you did beat Bingham, 2nd is as close as exiting first round.-Ill explain I said my picks are Jordan Alta Bingham to win the state
this year. Why do I HAVE TO explain ? Its very simple in
my mind, because Syracuse has not shown me they can win state because I dont
credit any of there wins at all. They will be given MUCH credit after they can
beat ALTA two years in a row! Then i will tip my hat! But this is
about my opinions and my picks! Im standing by it! saying Region 1
tomorrow is going to be eliminated! If they arent Im not going to be
suprised at....Syracuse winning, or even Davis!But I am not
worried about Bingham or Jordan at all.State runs through Jordan this
year! So all our talk is for nothing in my opinion. and my talk, My pick is Jordan this year, Not Bingham just so you all know. Best team in Utah gets 0 respect!
binghamalumYou have no credibility at all, whatsoever."With Jordan Alta Bingham deciding who wins it!" --Please
explain to me why these three teams will be the ones that will decide who wins
the state title? Is it because someone will get paid off to have one of these
three teams win it? And don't tell me it hasn't happened before,
because I have proof that it has.--And please stop getting so
defensive in your posts...you "Salt Lake Valley" folks sure don't
like when people prove that you are wrong...sheesh!!
SeeYa BinghamAlum, it's been good, not! You asked questions and I was one
who you addressed at the top so I will give my two cents.1) You let
those SLV teams do the talking, I would hope they would since we only have 4 5A
schools compared to your 13 and we have to somehow count Lehi as 5A. Darn, you
win.2) I haven't polled all the SLC schools on fear of an
opponent, so you got me there because you have. Dang, you win again.3) You included 'Cuse as one of four schools where the title will be,
then you exclude them the next sentence. I agreed with your first statement of
the 4. Yes, a draw.4) ???Basketball??? This is football. I win!5) Your picks, you might be right. I disagree, but you very well be
right I don't doubt that.6) Your LP question, I have seen them
play7) Lone Peak has to play and execute better8) Last
year, nobody cares about last year ask the SF Giants what they thought about St
Louis this year because of last year.9) They are in and they won10) Last year
HAGATHA,Utah bruin,no more talk! Ill let the
Salt Lake Valley schools do the talking! Becuase that is where 5Afootball state
title will be this year! It took one year off and went to Utah county.But this year, its Jordan Vs Bingham/Alta/SyracuseWith Jordan Alta
Bingham deciding who wins it! Ive stated no one is affraid of Region
one because for 8 years, not one single title has went north of Salt Lake in 5A
footballBasketball will be the same thing, Lone Peak will keep it
down there, 7years.There are your facts. My picks so I
wont comment againAlta Wins 24-21Bingham wins 50-7Lone
Peak wins 28-17Jordan wins 50-14How can you say that Lone Peak
is not who people say they are???What more do They have to do????They won region 4! They lost the Utah HS football POY in 2011, you have a
brand new QB, They won the region still. Davis BARELY made it into
the playoffs, then Beat Kearns! (congratslookout)They dont do it
pretty but you know what they have done..........2011state5Afootballchamps
Exactly UtahBruin. And you don't need to be sorry about
putting Alta 4th. I know that is just your opinion and I know that you are a
fan of the game that isn't biased like others, so I respect your comment
about who you think will win te 5A title.
Just keep it real, that is all Hagatha and I are asking. Real, True, Unbiased
Opinions.Alta is good, nobody doubts that.'Cuse is
good, everybody doubts that because of a schedule they played (But Dominated)Jordan is good, nobody doubts thatBingham is good, nobody
doubts thatLone Peak is good, right? I don't think so, but
they must be they beat Bingham and are 8-2. Go watch them play, they are average
at best, thus the reason Davis is favored this week and why most anticipate a
close game either way.The title in 5A this year goes through (in my
own opinion of order) 1)Jordan 2) Syracuse 3) Bingham 4) Alta. I have seen all
4 of these schools play more than once or twice, this is where my opinion comes
from. Does it mean I am right, absolutely not. But I just might be right. And
with the defense that I have given on all these teams, you have to consider that
I could be or agree with some of it. I do not doubt any of these teams putting
it all together and winning it, Alta is 4th for me. Sorry.
@ProudBigBrotherYou indicate that strength of schedule
"DOES" matter. Two things here. First, I have
never said that Alta did not play a tough schedule, they did, they played some
pretty good teams. I don't think anybody disagrees with you or the other
bunch of posters on here crying the same thing about their schools, myself
included. They played good schools.Second, Strength of Schedule
does not mean a dang thing, this is proven year after year in the College BCS
poll. Aside from that, it comes down to the play on the field, execution,
discipline, execution, discipline.Give me 22 good players who
execute and are disciplined and you take your 3 or 4 great players with your
team, (your reason for losing last year, not mine - because of injuries) and my
22 good players will beat you every single time. Doesn't matter where I
play, or my schedule compared to yours. 'Cuse executes and plays
disciplined football and are better this year than last, thus my reason for
picking them. I question Alta's discipline and execution. This is my
"Sports Analysis". I will gladly say I missed when Alta wins if that
happens. I don't thinks so.
@ProudBigBrotherJust when I thought you were an educated poster you
fail me. If you read my post like you say you did, you would see that I was
mocking Parry's Farce. Also, I didn't defend 'Cuse schedule,
again you have to read. I simply stated a few facts in contradiction to the
Farces statement. I made a simple statement in regards to someone else's
comment. And you say it is called "Sports Analysis", if
that is what you and Farce think you are doing, then in Mr. Farce's and
Bingham Alums case the homer glasses need to be removed before you do it. You
can't analyze something while rooting for someone, that is my whole point.
I have no problem with peoples comments or analysis, but don't give the
watered down version of anyones school colors. Along with your so called
"Sports Analysis" that nobody here is professional and getting paid,
myself included, it is called debate. You have to read all the post, not just
the ones you want to, it makes more sense that way. Man I am so disappointed, I
thought you were one of the logical ones. Tisk Tisk
@UtahBruin"you guys spend way to much time in the past and trying to
justify your predictions."I agree with you here. I am a fan and
love the game and love to know the facts about teams and schools etc.There are others (we won't name any names) who spend waaay too much time
in the past trying to justify their predictions and they call it "sports
analysis" yet they can't even get their facts straight.Once
you get your facts straight, then we can have a discussion on sports analysis
and we can analyze without bias what our thoughts are on the games.At least you are one person on here that has some common sense and
doesn't just live in a fantasy past.
@binghamalumExample # 6 of incorrect statements/flat out lies..."I dont get how hagatha thinks becuase they go 4-0 in playoffs means
they are the best!"--I never once said or wrote the above
statement. Go back and CHECK your facts! Stop making things up or putting
words into my mouth that I did not say. Example # 70 football
titles since 2003 (davis). That will continue! Same with
basketballbutthatwas2004.(fremont)--Davis won the state title in
football in 2004, not 2003.--Fremont won the state basketball title in
2005, not 2004. Get your facts straight before posting!
I keep hearing how Alta's players went down last year. Maybe they need more
conditioning to stay healthly for the playoff run. Dont blame that on getting
beat. You plain got messed up. The scheduling needs to be talked about. Why
arent you complaining about last years schedule for Syracuse? It is the same
schedule as last years team. These kids cant control that scheduling stuff. They
just go out and play their opponents. I do hope evryone stay healthly because we
will be treated to and awesome game. You play to your competition.
@Utah BruinIt's called Sports Analysis! Every sports team and every
sports network employs people to do this kind of thing, because it's fun
and makes the sport more interesting, and helps build the anticipation and
educate everyone about both teams history and expectations. No one is twisting
your arm to read our analysis. Feel free to take your own advise; "Be a fan
and make your pick", if that's all you want to do. No one is begging
for more from you.And if you'd like to continue posting,
we'll be happy to keep arguing out opposing points of view with you.
@Football FanSyracuse won. Against a completely different team than
Alta had used to achieve their #2 seed. As has been stated, several times,
Alta's starting QB went down early. The backup QB went down a short time
later. Then their star running back, who had carried the team all year went
down, too. And who did they have to rely on in their passing game? Well,
unfortunately their star receiver from last year (and this year), Ammon Barker,
didn't play that game because of an injury the previous week. So cudos to
Syracuse for pulling off the 2011 upset, but riding on last year's victory
is a pretty weak argument. Hopefully neither team suffers any
game-changing injuries this year so they can just duke it out the way we all
hope they will! With Alta winning in the end, of course :)
@BinghamAlumAnd it seems I must do the same to you that I did for
Parry is a Farce. Your logic suggest that Lone Peak beats Davis because
Brighton beat Davis and Brighton took Lone Peak to the end. In fact here is
your ramblings..."Do you know Brighton beat that Davis team, and Brighton
had Lone Peak until the last minute...."So your theory suggest
that Lone Peak will beat Davis because of the common opponent. So Davis scored
14 against Brighton and gave up 21, and Lone Peak scored 24 against Brighton but
gave up 17. So in this game judging of course on the Brighton games, Lone Peak
wins because they scored 24 and Davis only scored 14, and Brighton gave up less
to Davis then they did to Lone Peak. So that must mean that Lone Peak even has
a bigger advantage.Seriously, you guys spend way to much time in the
past and trying to justify your predictions. Be a fan, love the game, go ahead
and make your pick, and if you win great, lose so what. We all have opinions,
but your justification is flat out crazy. Don't be homers! Be fans!
I could be wrong, however, I believe the same could be said about Alta's
schedule last year as well. Remind me, how did that game end?
Welcome Back BinghamAlum. So how did that move to Bingham work out for you?
You won a couple of titles, that move must have really given a boost to your
career in playing for a good Div 1 school right? Maybe you met your wife at
Bingham, it can happen. You got a better education at Bingham, I think I am
stretch'in it here. So you played at Bingham, that is great! However, let me try to answer one of your questions. Why is Lone Peak the
underdog at home to Davis? Because Lone Peak is not who everyone thinks they
are just by looking at a record. I am telling you once again, Lone Peak is over
rated, they still may win Friday, but I don't think so. Your a Bingham
boy, I get it, you therefore think LP is amazing because they beat Bingham.
Everyone who saw that game knows that Bingham should have worked them. Take
away some last minute heroics by back ups, take away some stupid coaching by
Bingham and they win easily. Thus the reason I say don't judge the team by
a schedule, judge them by performance through a visual test.
@UtahBruinCould you please make up your mind on the validity of
judging a team's skill based on their strength of schedule? Because in one
post you said, "you Alta lovers are putting way to much into a schedule. The
only thing I can think is that you never played sports in your life", and in
the very next post you spent the entire comment defending Syracuse's
strength of schedule, listing all that "7 of 9" information. So if the
opponents played don't matter, why are you bothering to defend
Syracuse's foes? The fact of the matter is that strength of
schedule DOES matter, and as shown by Parry is a Farce, Alta's was much
tougher. Several people, myself included, have agreed that Alta's SofSch
was the toughest in the state.That being said, and even as an Alta
fan, I hope Alta isn't looking past this game, because Syracuse has plenty
to bring to the field! And in talking with my brother, who plays for Alta, I
don't think they are looking past the Titans. I can see it being close, or
either of the teams running away with it.
Gunnar: 5 of the 7 had winning region records, 5 had winning overall records and
one was .500ParryisaFarce: I am not denying Alta played a tough
schedule. The thing is don't knock 3A schools to hard, they beat several
teams still in the 4 and 5A playoffs. The wins came against winning 5A and 4A
playoff teams. Don't sell these 3A boys short, they can play with almost
anyone and have beaten some good competition. So when you are judging
competition, since we have a comparable in Riverton, well 'Cuse shut them
out and scored 23, Alta gave up 7 and 14 and scored 19 and 27 in two games,
average those out and Alta gave up 10.5 and scored 23, so in your theory
'Cuse scored 23 on Riverton and Alta averaged 23 on Riverton but gave up on
average 10.5 points to 'Cuse's 0, that means 'Cuse would win on
averages. Right? Listen, I don't know who wins the game, I pick
'Cuse, my opinion. But Alta very well could win this game. I get what you
are saying, the difference is I give Alta credit, you give 'Cuse none
because of a schedule.
OK im back! @hagatha and UtahbruinI grew up in Box
Elder, but I knew Northern Utah was not going to get me seen and not allow me to
win state titles. Moved to Bingham, won two state titles, I
like northern utah football enjoyed one town one team, but........ comeonTo the Region 1 believers......Like I said 0-4 this weekend! region 1 is
gone. Bingham Kills Fremont! Lone Peak wins by 10
points, which is a typical game for them,Jordan willllllllll win by
30 points! (no way is it close at all) Alta will go into Syracuse
and win (Best game)I dont get how hagatha thinks becuase they go 4-0 in
playoffs means they are the best! You just beat 4 really bad teams,
Bingham would of stomped Hunter by 40 points and is going to stomp fremont by
40How does lone Peak who won there region, become the underdog to
Davis who had to win a playin game to just be in! Do you know
Brighton beat that Davis team, and brighton had Lone Peak until the last
minute....0 football titles since 2003 (davis). That will continue!
Same with basketballbutthatwas2004.(fremont)
UtahBruin: I'm curious because I don't have the stats on the 7
playoff teams Cuse played during the season. How many of those 7 teams had
winning records during the season? Region records, and over all records? Like
I said, I don't know so am just asking an honest question because I'm
And Hagatha is back with hopefully the final knockout blow. He is right, only
one 3A team folks. Not to mention it again to you biased fans who keep
hammering the 'Cuse schedule, they also played 9 games with pre and regular
season, 7 of those 9 teams made the playoffs, and 5 of those teams are still
alive in the playoffs. Don't care who won and who lost, 5 are still alive
because they are winners, and I would really only call one an upset if you
really want to give it that much credit of Fremont over Hunter. I have to agree
with my friend Hagatha, this is all getting old. Same ole stuff and nobody
tries to learn from it. And @ Parry is a Farce, you said you agreed with my
points and then you hammer my point of 'Cuse only giving up 70 not 7 points
is I think what you meant. 'Cuse didn't play a bunch of Lehi's,
you are confusing that with Region 2, see notes above, 'Cuse played 7
playoff teams of 9 of which 5 of the 7 are still alive.
I think goaggies1 makes some very valid points that I agree with. I am not a
Alta or a 'Cuse fan, I am a fan of the game. But you Alta lovers are
putting way to much into a schedule. The only thing I can think is that you
never played sports in your life. So all of you can honestly say that when you
played on the ultimate favorite team(s), you never got upset. I hope Alta goes
into 'Cuse thinking like you all that this is an easy win because of the
schedule 'Cuse played. I guarentee you that if your Hawks walk into
'Cuse with that attitude they are going to get smacked in the mouth, and
hard.I wish both these teams luck, it is ultimately the absolute
game of the week next to Hurricane and JD. But this one is bigger just because
it is 5A. I hope it is a great flawless game for both and may the true best
Example # 5 From Prep Fanatic (In regards to Syracuse schedule)Their
schedule consisted of two 3A teams, with only one of them qualifying them for
the playoffs in Desert Hills. --As I have stated before and will
state again if necessary, Syracuse played one 3A team this year in a very good
Desert Hills team. Unless there was some mystery 3A game that they played that
I don't know about, you need to check your facts before posting incorrect
statements. Posting incorresct statements will not give you credibility.
Syracuse has played one of the weakest schules in 5A, so they are unproven
against good competition. Their schedule consisted of two 3A teams, with only
one of them qualifying them for the playoffs in Desert Hills. They played a very
weak 4A Skyline team, that got crushed last week against Bountiful in the first
round of the playoffs. And then there's Region 1. Weak, weak teams. 10-0 is
a great feat, but who did you play? Alta on the other hand, played the toughest
schedul in the state, and probably the toughest region in the state. Yes they
got crushed by Don Bosco Prep, but there isn't a team in this entire state
that wouldv'e been in that ball game as well. Don Bosco is currently the
fifth best team in the country. Alta will be Syracuse's first real test of
the season, and this Alta team has way more talent and depth than last years
team.5A Semi finals:Alta vs BinghamLone Peak vs
JordanSorry Region 1, but none of your teams will make it past this
Syracuse has played no competition this year! If Alta had that schedule, they
too would be 10-0, and have the least amount of points scored against them. All
you Region 1ers that think that syracuse is going to roll all over Alta, have
another thing comeing. Alta has a great defense, and behind Jordan, has probably
the second best offense in the state. Their offense is loaded with weapons, that
I don't think Syracuse has seen this year. They are not one deminsional.
Alta also plays their best games on the road. Alta's has played the
toughest schedule in the state of Utah this year, and that has prepared them for
this game against Syracuse on Friday. Lets not keep remembering last years gam
as well. Alta entered that game at 9-1, and ranke #2 in 5A. Yes Syracuse beat
them, but they beat a sophomore quarterback that had no varsity experience.
Offense was very lackluster after losing their starting quarterback, their
starting running back, and yes their backup quarterback, all to injuries in one
game. That doesn't happen very often to a football team. Alta will take it
to Syracuse on friday. Go Hawks!
And I started at LB for that team. It was vs Provo and they thumped us! :(
Here up north we would get hung for throwing the ball in the second half. Jordan
won 56-0. I think there was also a record involved with this win. Syracuse could
have run up the scores on a bunch of teams but that is not how we judge how good
a team is. I also think stats are getting inflated as well for some of the state
honors at the end of the year. But dont blame the kids this year for playing a
weaker schedule, the team last year played those same teams. It will be a great
game and I think all that go will see a good fight. This years team is even
better and more rounded than last years team. And they do have depth. Dont hate
this years team from what last years team did with the same schedule. We were to
play East last year for the first game of the season but they backed out to play
Pineview instead. They are trying to schedule better teams. Go
But it does matter who you play. If Bingham played a season full of
Lehi's, they would have given up 7 points all year. One reason Syracuse
didn't have a letdown is because they played a bunch of weak Region 1
teams. The reason you don't see the top teams like Bingham playing 3A-4A
teams is because it does nothing for them. They would walk all over those teams
and they would learn nothing from it. They try and schedule the best out there
so they are ready and battle tested come playoff time. I'm calling at
least a 35 pt win this week by Bingham over Fremont. This team has a very bad
taste in it's mouth from last year. As do the coaches that I've spoke
with. So I don't see them calling the dogs off very early in this one.
Again I am calling Syracuse beating Alta at home. But if that does happen,
their winning streak will end at 11 having to get Bingham in the semi's.
My hopes for the playoffs: Northridge upsets Jordan, and ends up in the finals
for a rematch with Syracuse. Any other region 1 fans think that would be crazy??
I can see changing LP to 4 stars. However, I think Bingham is worthy of 5 stars,
and since LP beat then I had a hard time not giving them credit for that. And
since Alta beat Bingham (and Timpview), I'd say they deserve 5, as well.
But we all know in bias when it comes to Alta :)The main point of
rating the teams in that matter was really just to show that regions 1, 3 and 4
are just about even in talent. I think it did that.I know that
Kafentzis has been approached by BYU, and that they made a soft offer of
interest, but I don't think he actually committed. Schools aren't
allowed to approach players with actual offers until after the player's
junior year, or something like that. I'm sure plenty of other schools will
come knocking later on.
@Parry is a FarceI agree with you that Region 2 is bad. I never
said Region 1 was good because of who they did or did not beat, I am looking
only at on field performances. Seeing the athletes, speed, discipline (which by
the way I think is a huge part of football) coaching decisions, etc. Don't
strictly judge by who they play, 3a, 4a, does not matter. It is how they
perform, what they do. If you have played sports you know that many times
athletes play to the level of competition, that is why we see upsets every year
in high school, college, etc. Judge by who they are and how they play. People
say, (I am not saying you) Syracuse is not that good because of who they have
played and are overrated. They have given up 70 points this year, they did not
have many let downs like Bingham who should have beaten Lone Peak. Don't
judge a book by the cover, judge by what's on the inside, in this case the
team itself, not schedule. That is all I am saying and what I think Hagatha is
@ProudBigBrotherI have heard that Kafentzis kid has already given a
verbal to BYU? Do you know if this is true. I just thought that as highly
touted as this kid is around here and for his age he is only going to get better
and bigger schools may come calling as Alabama with the C-Wood kid. What do you
know on this?As for your Five Star System, I like it. However mine
would go a little more like this.Region 1 - 17 Stars - I gave Layton
a two instead of a three.Region 2 - 12 Stars - I actually gave Kearns a
three, I thought the top of that region was very equalRegion 3 - 16 Stars
- I dropped Alta and Brighton 1 a pieceRegion 4 - 17.5 Stars - I dropped
LP to three and a half stars if I can, I have seen them play to much to justify
a five. And for Riverton and PG, I will give 3's also, I think both teams
are on the cusp of being legit 4's or even 5's in the next year or
twoParity is only among three regions right now
Here is how I see the 5A Regions breakdown on skill level. To simplify it,
I'm using a 5 Star rating system.Region 1:Syracuse - 5
starsNorthridge - 4 starsDavis - 3 starsFreemont - 2 stars
(based on performance, not what could have been without injury)Layton - 3
starsWeber - 1 starTotal: 18 starsRegion 2:Hunter
- 3 starsGranger - 3 starsKearns - 2 starsWest - 1 starViewmont - 1 starTaylorsville - 1 starTotal: 11 starsRegion 3:Jordan - 5 starsAlta - 5 starsBrighton - 4 starsCottonwood - 2 starsWest Jordan - 1 starCopper Hills - 1 starTotal: 18Region 4:Lone Peak - 5 starsBingham - 5
starsRiverton - 3 starsPleasant Grove - 3 starsAmerican Fork -
2 starsLehi - 1 starTotal: 19Based on this, it seems
like pretty much all the regions except 2 are fairly equal. Couple good, couple
average and a couple bad teams.
@Parry is a Farce"Yea, seen that self appointed leader thing
blow up more than once."You mean like the Obama Campaign,
Hitler, Stallin.....sorry this is football, I just couldn't resist.Listen Layton, I don't think Hagatha is really trying to push your
buttons, I just have to agree with him that to many people spew on here and it
is simple school pride more than talking real knowledge. I am not saying you
are a spewer, you made it clear you are a Binghamite, not a Lancer. So I
appreciate your comments on Region 1 and 2, however, you even lost me a bit with
the 1-3 deal, I am not sure how or where the embellishment comes from. But
regardless, potato, puhtato. I agree with you that Davis and Lone Peak is going
to be a close game, I admit, I have not seen Davis play this year, I have seen
Lone Peak more than I want to and they are sloppy, I just think Region 1 is
better than people think.
@Parry is a FarceYea, seen that self appointed leader thing blow up more
than once.--Did I ever mention that I was a self appointed leader?
I don't think so, correct me if I'm wrong. You are assuming that I am
a self appointed leader...and like I've said before, we all know what
happens when we assume things right?I would spell it out for you,
but if I do that, my comment won't be able to go through the moderators, so
you'll have to figure this one out on your own.--Don't get
mad when someone corrects you after you have made a mistake, get glad because
that person wanted to educate you and increase your knowledge on the subject.
@Fan Of The GameGood self correction :) I had also heard that
Kafentzis was 18, which I confirmed was not true. He is just an incredible 16
year old sophomore QB! I plan on following his high school career, even though
my connection to high school ball will have moved on to college next year.
@UtahBruinThank you. It is finally nice to see someone else on these
boards that is not biased and actually knows something about high school
football instead of being closed minded and unwilling to research or learn about
the facts.-I love your comment about the Fremont-Bingham game--*Just
so there are no more questions from binghamalum. :)-The Davis &
LP game to me is a toss-up...I don't like either of those teams, so
it's hard for me to say who I want to win. I have seen LP play once this
year and seen Davis a couple of times, and Davis hasn't impressed me, but
then again neither has LP. I think it will be close, but I think that LP gets
some "calls" that go their way and give them the win at home.
@ Parry is a Farce"Who made you the monitor and put in charge of
correcting everyone? You need to chill a little."--I made myself
the monitor and put myself in charge of correcting everyone, because I am a
leader and that's what I do. I get sick of all the people that don't
know anything that post on here thinking they know everything about high school
football. The truth shall be set free!"If Fremont was so good,
they'd beat Davis and no play-in would have been necessary." --Like I had said in one of my previous posts, Fremont has had injuries all
year long that has plagued their team in many different positions and if they
would have been healthy when they played Davis, they would have beaten them
handily as well. But, injuries are part of the game and it is something that
has to be dealt with by every team.
@HagathaYou make some very true points. I am a California
transplant and even I knew BE had been 4A for several years. I coached at a
Utah County school when we were expected to win in the early rounds in 2004 and
we walked into BE only to get smacked. They have been 4A for some time now.I have to say I disagree with some of your predictions, so here are
mine. It is nice to finally meet someone open minded with an unbiased
opinion.Predictions(5A): What will really happen:--'Cuse 23 Alta 17--Bingham 56 Fremont 12 - Only because Fremont
gives up just too many points --Jordan 30 Northridge 20--Davis
21 Lone Peak 19What I want to happen(but will likely not happen):--Syracuse 21 Alta 20 (OT) *I agree with you this would be fun--Fremont
29 Bingham 20 *Just so there are no more questions from binghamalum--Jordan 31 Northridge 28 *I just think Jordan deserves it, they are good--Davis 24 Lone Peak 21 *I just don't like LP and I think they are very
overratedJust my 1 cent, not even worth 2 cent
I would like to retract my previous comment about Jordans QB being 18. Got
information from unreliable source. Regardless, still an amazing athlete.
@ plyxplyWho did you play for and when? and who did you coach for and
when? I'm not worked up about Box Elder, I just like to make a
point and prove it to people that think they know everything about high school
football in the state of Utah.I played sports in Region 1 and have
actually won a state championship in one of the sports I played, can you say
that? Didn't think so.
@plyxplyHagatha you're correct Box Elder is a 4A school, they moved
up when I wasn't looking.--They have been a 4A school, for
quite some time now...they were a 4A school when they won the state championship
back in 1995, and that was 17 years ago, so you must not look up North very
often, course then again a lot of the Salt Lake and Utah County folk do not like
to look up north at all, and hate to see the success of the northern Utah teams
over their all county teams in SL and Utah county. My advice, look up north more
often, it'll expand your horizons and make you a more rounded person.
plyxplyIf you saw that Don Bosco team you forgot to say the final play of
the game a kick off return to give them their final points. Alta got hammered.
Lets tell the right story. 31-0 before Alta even relized what hit them.
Final CommentAlso if Northridge utilizes their leading running back
more without the ball as much as they do with the ball, they can be just as, if
not more successful. NO question he is a talented athlete, but sometimes as a
coach, focusing on an individual rather than the team can cause cancers within
the team that you don’t know exists. Example, when they played Syracuse,
4th and inches to the goal line, everyone knew who the ball was going to, (like
in every game) a simple play action or possibly a counter and the game goes in a
different direction. Instead, Syracuse makes the stop and game is over. In
the end, I expect the game to be a good one, but if adjustments are not made
during the game, it’s going to be a long bus ride back to the
plyxplyIf you were at that Don Bosco game when they played Alta you saw
them get wooped by a great team. Alta had no chance to win that game. Their
running game was bad, their passing game wasnt much better. I think Alta finally
scored when it was 31-0. I was sitting on the Don Bosco side. Don Bosco would
give Snow College a great game. Their defense got eat"in up. So ont come out
at say they were awesome. Syracuse will beat Alta. Write it down. syracuse has
nothing to prove or out for revenge. They just play tough football on all three
phases of th game. Yea I know they havent played anyone up to your standards try
telling that to the players. This Syracuse bunch of boys have only been beaten
once in 3 years of playing. Northridge is there only lose 3 years ago.
"Nobody comes into our backyard and pushes around". Syracuse can play
with any team in the state any given week.
Comment Part 3when it comes to Jordan and Northridge,I’ll say
this, one of the biggest advantages of being a 5A school is your depth. I
believe that Northridge has this depth but has not utilized it throughout the
season. I have also heard that Syracuse hasn’t as well. Both have
admitted that several players not only play both ways but start both ways. I am
in total agreement that you put the best players on the field but as a coaching
staff, it is also your responsibility to ensure that your TEAM is prepared, not
just your 7-9 starters. I believe that both teams were able to do this while
playing inferior teams throughout the regular season, but when it comes to
playing stronger teams this may come back to haunt them.
Comment Part 2I would have to agree with some of the other previous
posts, Region 3 has got to be the toughest Region, at least this year. It is
undeniable that their schedule was much tougher than any other Region. As for
Syracuse, also a very good team. The game with Northridge went down to the
wire, although I feel that a botched snap was the biggest momentum shifter of
the game. Based off of the games played and strength of schedule I predict Alta
over Syracuse, Bingham over Fremont, Lone Peak over Davis.
Comment Part 1First, let me say that I am new to the area and that
this is my first experience with Utah High School football. I have been really
impressed. I have a son who is currently on the Northridge roster, but I have
tried to keep up with all the teams, at least 4A and 5A. Since I have been to
the majority of my Sons games, I have not had the opportunity to see the great
teams from the other Regions, although I have read up and researched stats.
When Jordan played the team from California, I was really impressed. I mean for
them to play up to the level of such a high caliber team that is ranked so high
in the Nation, says a lot about Utah High School football. They really seem to
have a solid team and the QB is a beast. I was researching his stats from his
freshman year as well as this year and the numbers are just crazy. For this
young man to have over 1,000 yrds rushing and over 2,000 yrds passing is
incredible, until I found out he is an 18 year old sophomore. Really?
I love reading all of these comments on the games this weekend. Hagatha
you're correct Box Elder is a 4A school, they moved up when I wasn't
looking.My opinion is that Syracuse has a very good defense, but
Alta's offense is outstanding. They scored 24 points against Don Bosco,
only one team has scored that many points on DBP in the last 4 years and it was
Bergen Catholic who scored 27 in the NJ state title game in 2010. Included in
those games were Manatee Fl (currently ranked #1), De La Salle, Bergen Catholic,
(5 other games held under 24 pts), St Thomas Aquinas, and numerous other top 50
programs in the nation.Those of you who didn't see the Alta vs DBP
game this year will try and say that Alta scored against the backups, which is
not the case. DBP played their starters until the final play.We'll
know soon enough how good the Cuse defense is.
Predictions(5A): What will really happen:--Alta 17 Syracuse 14--Bingham 31 Fremont 14--Jordan 45 Northridge 35--Lone Peak
28 Davis 13What I want to happen(but will likely not happen):--Syracuse 21 Alta 20 (OT)--Fremont 23 Bingham 20--Northridge 35 Jordan 31--Davis 24 Lone Peak 21----But hey,
that's why you play the game, right? Anything can happen on any given day
@Parry is a Farce-Bingham beats Fremont handily, Fremont graduated a
special class last year and is just not that good, they probably should have
lost to Layton and not even be in the tournament but a good draw against a
champion from a bad Region 2 gets them here.--Fremont should have
lost to Layton?? Oh, wait, you are from Layton, so that's why you say
that...FYI Fremont dominated Layton from start to finish and shut them out.If anyone shouldn't have gone to the playoffs from Region 1 it
should have been Davis whose great defense gave up 41 points to your mighty
Layton Lancers.Fremont has had multiple injuries all year long that
have plagued their quarterbacks and running backs and lineman. If they
don't have these injuries, they would have beaten everybody from Region 1
And round and round we go Jack...Example # 5 From Parry is a Farce:
I think Region 2 would have gone 1-3 if they'd played each other in the
first round. Well, if the 4 teams from Region 2 would have played
each other, it would have gone 2-2. There is no other way they could
go...unless of course the UHSAA steps in and makes some teams forfeit the game,
and not others...but they would never do that, right?
These are the schedules that Alta and Syracuse have played thus far, and the
number on the right is the current National ranking for their opponents. As you
can see, Alta has by far played tougher opponents this year and their SOS is
36.8, which is the best in the state. Syracuse's SOS is 22.5, which is one
of the lower ones in both 5A and 4A. Alta has prepared for this game, by playing
a tougher schedule, which will equate to a win. Don't get me wrong,
Syracuse is a good team at 10-0, but Alta is better.Alta (142)5Don Bosco PrepL73TimpviewW98JordanL210BinghamW960RivertonW960Riverton W965BrightonW2599Cottonwood W2846Olympus W3206West Jordan W7421Copper Hills WSyracuse (165)554Northridge W816Box Elder W960RivertonW1228DavisW1631Desert Hills W2548Fremont W3229LaytonW3500SkylineW7006WeberW7363ViewmontW
The other thing that I think helps Alta's cause and gives them an important
edge in big-time-game experience are their games vs Timpview, Bingham, Jordan
and Don Bosco. All four of those games were very intense, both in pregame hype
and actual play. Alta is used to playing under pressure, and since two if those
games were losses, they have learned to settle down under pressure and just
focus on the task at hand. I've always found in competing that I learn a
lot, often times more, from the games I lose. Alta vs Bingham at RES is one if
the biggest rivalry games of the year and brings an intense playoff-like
atmosphere, as anyone who has attended can attest to. And the game vs Jordan, AT
Jordan, was very high stakes, as they both knew they were playing for the region
title.In contrast, Syracuse's only real challenge and
significant game was against Northridge. I think Alta will come prepared
mentally and physically to take it to Syracuse on both O&D.I
would still love to hear a statistical based reason that 'Cuse has
Thank you for your responses, biased or not. I agree that Syracuse's D is
outstanding, the best in the league most likely. As for the Riverton example, I
wish it had been later in the year, because I'm sure both teams have
improved immensely since their third and fourth week, evident in the fact that
Alta dominated Riverton so proficiently in the first round, scoring 27
unanswered points in three quarters before letting second string take over
(Riverton TDs were against the depth roster, not starters).An
interesting fact about Alta's O&D: In the last four games, during the
quarters that Alta's first string played, Alta's points for/against is
144/6, and that 6 points was on a Copper Hills kickoff return. Syracuse defense
is most likely better, but Alta's D should have what it takes to make stops
against the Syracuse offense.
Utahfootballfan Jordan never played NRidge last year. NRidge played LP. It
was a good game. Jordan played Viewmont. Then Jordan played LP. Also a good
game. I think it will be a fun game to watch.
@ProudBigBrotherThanks for your analysis early on, its pretty cool to look
at.I still thinkSyracuse beats Alta in a close game in the
high teens low twenties in scoringBingham will crush Fremont (props to
Fremont though for eliminating a number 1 team from the playoffs... I don't
care which Region its from)Davis beats Lone Peak (Davis will surprise
them)Jordan beats Northridge in a close game. Should be goodSyracuse then beats BinghamJordan beats DavisI then will
give my final guess with total bias... Syracuse beats Jordan... I have no
proof, I just want it to happen.
@Proud Big BrotherI will be honest, I am biased... I graduated from
Syracuse and witnessed Syracuse get hammered by Alta in the playoffs in 2009, so
I really want Syracuse to win.That being said... Their defense is
very good... If you look at Syracuse's history... Defense has always been
their strong point. Early on they were small and a new program, so against big
schools it didn't work to well... Beating Alta last year shows that they
have made the turn and have that high quality... That has continued this year.
Now their competition wasn't that good, but if you look at how many
points they allowed... That's impressive. Especially in the case of
Riverton and Skyline. Skyline scored a lot of points this year and Syracuse
shut them out... I agree that Alta and Syracuse are about even, but
in the only similar game... Syracuse shut down Riverton 23-0 and Alta won both
times but by less... That is never a perfect judgment, but its something we can
go off of... I stick with what I said before...
I know both teams pretty well...if Alta and Syracuse both play their best game,
Syracuse has a small edge. However, both teams have the potential to blow the
other team off the field if they don't play their "A" game. They
both have a lot of athleticism. Alta definitely has an advantage in the area of
depth since Syracuse plays 7 guys both ways. I know that their defense suffers
a bit because of this.I think they both have next level players.
Unfortunately, the Syracuse coaches do very little to promote their kids. They
don't put their stats in MaxPreps and other sites like Alta, Davis, Jordan,
etc...in addition, they had several kids invited to camps this year and the
coaches told them they couldn't go because the camps conflicted with their
own camp. Many of the Syracuse kids have sacrificed their personal stats and
promotion so they can play both ways and support the overall team. That is very
impressive to me. Alta coaches have credentials but Syracuse has one of the
best d-coordinators I have seen in a long time.
AllDayEreDay is right, each region has two good teams (R1 Syracuse and
Northridge, R2 Hunter and Granger (just decent teams), R3 Jordan and Alta, R4
Lone Peak and Bingham), and some of the rest of the teams just have flashes of
fortune. So really, if you're going to judge strength of schedule, you need
to look at the non-region games. Which is why Alta has the toughest schedule
this year. Their non-region games were Timpview, Bingham, Olympus (pretty easy
team), Riverton and Don Bosco NJ. Throw Jordan in as their tough region opponent
and that's a pretty freakin' hard regular season! And they came out of
it 8-2.Now, follow that up with a lineup of Riverton, Syracuse,
Bingham and Jordan as potential post season foes and that may be one of the
hardest fought title runs seen in a long time! I'm not suggesting they are
favored to do it, but if they manage it... Crazy!
@Gunner Who has Syracuse played, a bunch of 3A teams and a crappy region
schedule... What makes Region 1 so crappy? is it because they went
4-0 in the first round of the playoffs? No other region can say that. Region 1
may lose 3 or 4 games this weekend. But they have all 4 teams from their region
playing this weekend. Can your region say that? There are a couple of really
really good teams in each region this year and after the top 2 teams its soft in
every region. Everyone for the most part had a crappy region schedule. From the
way the playoffs have worked out so far its seems like Region 1 has the toughest
region... Region 1 4-0, Region 2 0-4, Region 3 2-2, Region 4 2-2.
In page 1 of this thread, I listed some fair and unbiased opinions as to how
Alta and Syracuse match up. Personally, I'm cheering for Alta, because my
brother is a play-maker there, so I'm hoping they win, but I don't see
it as a clear cut victory for either team. Both are good teams and I give
Syracuse credit where it's due, but Alta is also a good team, offensively
and defensively.I get the feeling that people keep reading other
people's prior posts, which mostly stated that 'Cuse would win, and
they have reposted it as their own opinion after buying into other people's
opinions, without looking at both teams and deciding based on the facts.Can anyone, who has looked at both teams in some depth, give me a clear
and educated reason why Syracuse is apparently so highly favored that everyone
thinks they'll win? I'm honestly just curious what the reasons are.
I'd like a chance to answer your reasoning.
@Gunner Who has Syracuse played, a bunch of 3A teams and a crappy region
schedule... What makes Region 1 so crappy? is it because they went
4-0 in the first round of the playoffs? No other region can say that. Region 1
may lose 3 or 4 games this weekend. But they have all 4 teams from their region
playing this weekend. There are a couple of really really good teams in each
region this year and after the top 2 teams, its soft in every region. Everyone
for the most part had a crappy region schedule. From the way the playoffs have
worked out so far its seems like Region 1 has the toughest region... Region 1
4-0, Region 2 0-4, Region 3 2-2, Region 4 2-2.
@amanapperhaps I'm defending truth, in the words of Uncle Ben
"With great power comes great responsibility."
@amanap I'm not conceding at all. Just keepin' it 100.
I'm not like a typical PV fan who thinks their team is the best assembled
team year after year, who's going undefeated and winning state. You seem to
know defensive schemes very well, you should apply for a DC position at your
alma mater. You jus mad cuz I tell it how it is, and you tell it how it might
I guess I did not make myself clear the first time. STOP posting things if you
are just going to spout off your bias opinions and not do any research first.Example # 4 From Gunner: "Again, who has Cuse played that is an
impressive win? Bunch of 3A teams, and a crappy region schedule."--For the record, Syracuse has only played one 3A team on the season and that
was in the first game of the season against Desert Hills.This just
shows that many people who post on here do NOT do the research before posting or
just are ignorant before they post their comments. Either way, they are
assuming things...and we all know what happens when we assume, right?
exactly my point Gunner,they WERE nationally ranked....in the beginning of
the season so what does that tell u? they were respected nationally because of
what they had done in the PAST! this year their a different team and you can
tell with their 7-3 record. sure Valor is still a good team but your
underestimating how good utah high school football is compared to
colorado.(which i think is ALOT better)
RTURN598: When Bingham played Valor, they were a nationally ranked team! They
had just come off something like a 24 game winning streak the week before.
Their QB and RB both Del Rio and McCaffery's kids respectively, were
absolute studs that make just about every top player in this state look like
little league kids. And the reason I did the "woulda shoulda coulda"
was because I don't consider a botched snap as an athletic play that makes
Alta better than Bingham. They are who they are, a team with 2 losses. But
like I said, they are playing probably the best ball in all 3 aspects of the
game in the state right now. And UtahBruin, A down Cottonwood team that has 3-4
D1 kids on it that almost beat Jordan when they played. Their athletes were
made to look silly in both games vs the Miners. Again, who has Cuse played that
is an impressive win? Bunch of 3A teams, and a crappy region schedule. They
will beat Alta, but next week they will get worked by Bingham. Write it down.
@UtahBruinSchool pride is great but when it comes to playoffs you have to
have an unbiased opinion. I totally agree with you there, but there
are many who post on these boards who are so close minded and bias it is
sickening. They live in their own fantasy world that their team is the best in
the world and nobody can change that opinion.
And finally, just for good measure,@ Binghamalum“will people
quit comparing Bingham of Old to new Bingham teams! Stop comparing Bingham right
now to the same team that was ranked #4 in the country. Please stop
that.”I think the reason people compare them, is because all of the
Bingham fans I have spoken with only love to talk about how great that team was
and then compare this year’s team to the # 4 ranked team. They are a
measuring stick for BHS and will be for many years to come. Sorry that you do
not like it, but you’ll have to deal with it. Life isn’t
fair…as we saw with the UHSAA ruling for East and against Timpview.
Ok, people...listen up...please stop posting things on here unless you have done
your research and know what you are talking about. Example # 1 From
Jarka-rus: Fremont will be a speed bump this year, sorry your team is a one hit
wonder. --(One hit wonder?)(You say one hit wonder, because Fremont beat
you last year?) They have beaten you other times as well, and have made it to
the state finals the past two years, so I guess you could say they are a two hit
wonder if you wanted to)Example # 2 From plyxply: (In regards to
Syracuse) they've beaten some awesome 3A teams like Box Elder and Desert
Hills--Please note that Box Elder is a 4A school and not a 3A school as
you wrote. Example # 3 From SportsLover24: Sorry Fremont, but I
think you'll get smashed by Jordan...--FYI, Fremont doesn’t
play Jordan this week, NEWSFLASH: They play Bingham! The only way they would
play Jordan is if they make it back to the State Championship again this year,
which is not likely.Please know what you're talking about it
you are going to post on here!
@binghamalumNo I have not lived in Utah County my whole life, I am
one of the many California transplants to Utah over the years. Thus, my
unbiased opinions for any school in Utah unlike yourself with Bingham. Bingham
is a good team, but they're not the best in the state, not even second
best. They win this week, with the easier road out 5A teams to play a down
C-Wood team and then Fremont. I pick 'Cuse to beat Alta, and Bingham will
not beat either 'Cuse or Alta, whoever wins that game. I realize you are
an Alum, but be partial, you are not a player anymore, if you were then. School
pride is great but when it comes to playoffs you have to have an unbiased
opinion. In 5A Jordan is the team to beat, after that it is 'Cuse, after
that, I think it is Alta and after that it is a toss up between Bingham and
N-Ridge and after that who cares.Oh and by the way, yes I have seen
Bingham play - Live. And yes I have seen 'Cuse play - Live. It is about
being a fan, not an alum.
Lol...my cell won't let me look a previous post.....
Make no mistake TruesilverwolfBingham has the #1 defense in the state.
Fremont will be a speed bump this year, sorry your team is a one hit wonder. We
hear every year Fremont fans hate for Bingham. But you sure know how to spew
smack as well. We heard all about how Davis was going to beat Bingham in the
championship and that didn't happen. Syracuse may or may not be great. But
you are really fooling yourself if you think the teams they have played save
maybe North Ridge are like Bingham or Alta. Alta isn't a dominant team this
year and may lose . They beat Alta last year yes, but did they make it to the
championship? No. Why the difference this year?
Sounds like you're trying to defend someone "Irrelevant", if that
is your real name.
@mykaljordan I think Louis65 was making a Joke. Good stuff
@mykaljordanLous65 was being sarcastic..... go back and read every
preseason review about PV since the beginning of mankind, they are picked to
take state every year... It was a joke. my goodnesson the other hand
god bless to all.
@louis65,Where were they this year? Prove yourselves first, then
warn everyone to watch out...!JD Fan..
@amanapI find it funny how you believe "Region9Tiger" is
"conceding the game to JD already." There's a difference in a lack
of faith and being humble. Region9Tiger is obviously a Hurricane supporter and
believes they can win it. He also shows humility, something I believe a lot of
PV and others lack.I also find it funny how every year Pine view
comes in hyped to take state and be the best in the country then fails to win
crucial games. We can always blame others for our defeats, but I mean can't
we ever praise the opposition for there performance.That being said,
the Hurricane JD game is going to be a great game. I can't wait to see how
we stack up again against JD. Hopefully this time we can take one from them on
their own field.Does anyone know how JD will be affected in the six
I would watchout for PV next year. I hear they have 13 returning starters, and
of those 13, 25 have D-1 scholarships. Yikes.
Gunner,Valor Christian is a "nationally ranked team" ??? yea they
sure are....ranked #609(#9 in colorado) in the nation! thats WEAK. Bingham even
though their ranked #211 is still WAY higher than Valor Christian. so really
beating them isnt that much of a statement. Listen, i do think Bingham could
suprise everyone in 5a but dont play the woulda coulda shoulda card on the games
u guys lost. EVERY team with a loss or 2 can play that same card too but its
just better to focus on the future rather than the past. im actually rooting for
the miners to take the state title so i hope the players and coaches dont have
the same mind set as you.(no offense)
PV. is like West, all that talent and no leadership ..
I have really smart sheep but they are not smart enough to coach at Cedar. They
have good coaches.
Gunner, you must've forgotten that Alta went into the Syracuse game last
year 9-1 and ranked #2, it wasn't a down year, you were thinking of their
2010 team which wasn't very good. Syracuse is the favorite this year,
they've beaten some awesome 3A teams like Box Elder and Desert Hills, along
with Northridge, Davis, Fremont, and Layton. I would think Syracuse should
schedule their buses for the trip to RES next week to play Bingham, they're
I love how region 1 people brag how they must be good because they have so many
teams in the playoffs. Good job. its actually pretty sad that 2-7 teams get in.
Good job beating Hunter, Granger and Kearns, Viemont yes the powerhouses of 5A
football. It also funny that Region 1 talks about that 1 good team
that beats someone good each year, well done. I also love how region 1 is like
the "defense" region, when in reality its mostly that their offenses
aren't great.I pick all Region 1 out this week with the
exception of maybe Syracuse, maybe. We'll see how much Defense they really
play up in region 1 this week.
I think that maybe my sheep could do better coaching at pv than their current
SportsLover24: Just so you know, Alta was nowhere near supposed to win it all
last year when Syracuse beat them in the first round. Alta had a very down year
last year. Bingham right now is probably playing some of the best ball in the
state, perhaps with the exception of Jordan. Their defense is scary good!
Their Will LB just committed to a full ride to Hawaii last week. Not to mention
Star's little brother on the D line. And now that they have finally
stopped the shuffling of QB's in and out, and have gone with the Bowles
kid, their offense is tearing it up. VS. Cottonwood last week, they scored 3
TD's in 5 offensive plays. And their defense made the Colts QB that is
going to Alabama look like a 9th grader. A botched hold on an extra point vs.
Alta, and a couple of very questionable coaching calls vs. Lone Peak, and this
team is undefeated up to this point. Not to mention the beating of Valor
Christian who is a very tough nationally ranked team. I do think Syracuse beats
Alta this week though.
binghamalum,I don't understand what it is with Bingham High School
football fans, but for some reason you really like to disrespect Region 1 teams.
Last year it was jar-ka-rus and now it's you. It's just like last year
when you were going on and on about how Bingham was gonna roll over Fremont and
make it to the state championship against Lone Peak. Unfortunately, you
don't realize how strong Syracuse's defense is. Syracuse has
consistently shut down every team they've faced and they still have a
decent strength of schedule (i.e. every school except for Weber and Layton made
it to the playoffs). Syracuse, if they beat Alta, will make it to the State
Prince certainly adds the senior leadership and is a proven winner (3X State
Wrestling Champion) but Elison is quick and a very accurate passer. In the OT
loss to DH he hit his receivers in the hands on both third and fourth downs. If
either catch is made we go into a third OT. Prince is able to play still and
actually adds a strong wing to the Offense. This will really keep JD honest on
their pursuit as the threat of Prince coming back on the counter is a big
concern now.I see this game being a very low scoring affair coming down to
a field goal or TD on the last drive. Unfortunately, this has gone to JD the
last three matchups so hopefully we are due.Go Tigers!
Game of the Week: Juan Diego v. Hurricane.No doubt in my mind. Both teams have much history and are both aching to battle each other
once more i'm sure. Hurricane will be back to try and get revenge while the
Soaring Eagle try to remain perfect against Hurricane. This will be
a close game but I have the Soaring Eagle edging Hurricane the final score being
14-0. Juan Diego has a very dominant Defense that no one seems to give them
credit for. Very stout at every position. Wouldn't expect another shut out
from the Juan Diego Defense considering Hurricane QB Z. Prince is sidelined.That is just my prediction. Can't wait to see another great game
from this rivalry. This game could go either way.
Just because Skyline perfected "the art of attraction" before JD
doesn't make them any better than them...
@eagleSo your 16 state titles mean what to me again? when will you
get 17? I would love to come and watch a game at Skylines Eagles nest, if there
was anymore games..JD FAN..
@eagle,these post are for teams?fans still in the Playoffs. you can
have the nickname back when you win another title..JD will get there. their
still a new school, butthy will get there..you can come to the JD Eagles Nest
this friday and watch the 2 3A teams that were able to beat Skyline go at
it..tailgate starts at 2.JDs Nest maker...
I'm just curious with you being so versed in high school football. How many
Region One games have you watched this year? You seem to be so high on Bingham
and some other SL County schools yet you seem to be surprised year after year by
the performance of the Region One Teams. You don't need to remind me that
the last Region One state win was Davis in 04 and that made 4 state titles for
Region one in the last 12 years (not a bad stat for 5A). But none the less the
teams in the North are very competitive and pretty strong top to bottom(well
except for Weber) Four of the Region One teams are in the quarter finals. Region
4 has American Fork, Lehi and Pleasant Grove (not the strongest Region in the
state for sure). Let's just sit back and watch the fireworks. Surprises
always happen this stage in the playoffs. Only one prediction for me at this
time. Bingham will not have a state championship this year.
Ok, binghamalum do you not see that syracuse has the almost the exact same
thing. In the last 4 games syracuse is 152-29 and if you just add one more game
to make it the last five. it is 183-29 I don't know about you but if
Syracuse allows the same amount of points as bingham does and they even did it
in 5 games. Doesn't that mean that syracuse's D is better. I know that is not the case but because of different teams and what not. And
don't get me wrong Bingham is good but they are not the obvious best. The
only reason Syracuse would loose is because your guys are bigger. I think
syracuse has more skill but they are just to small. I know you are
so proud of your bingham team, but there is better teams out there and syracuse
can and might be one of them. And utahfootballfun you bring up a
good point, Syracuse is not respected enough. I really hope one of the region 1
football teams wins state(I hope its syracuse) Maybe then some people will
realize we can play football too.
@region9tigerSounds like your conceding the game to JD already to
me. P.S. 7 guys in the box is normal example- 4 linemen 3 linebackers = 7. or 3
linemen 4 linebackers = 7. or even 5 linemen 2 linebackers = 7.
Skyline is the home of the Eagles' Nest. When Juan Diego wins 16 state
titles they can have that nickname for their stadium...
As someone who's watched Salt Lake high school football all his life,
i'm thoroughly surprised EVERY SINGLE YEAR by all the Salt Lake fans who
put down and underestimate most teams from region one. They play the game
it's supposed to be played and I love watching them play. The get a team to
the finals every year, some "scrub" team upsets a powerhouse Salt Lake
team, and they still get no respect. It's annoying and I don't get it
at all. Syracuse barely made the playoffs last year and weren't that good
and upset Alta in the first round when they were supposed to win it all. They
have an absolutely incredible and well-rounded team and they still have no
respect. Northridge also plays smash mouth, tough, smart football. Davis is
always explosive and can't be underestimated. Sorry Fremont, but I think
you'll get smashed by Jordan... But anyway, I could see any other of the
matchups going either way. I think they'll be great games. Be more open
minded and respectful to the northern teams, people. Just my two
Can't wait for another JD/HHS match up. Sucks that it has to happen so
early in the playoffs. Although our defense isn't as stout as it has been
the last few years, look for another classic! Not having Prince under center is
gonna hurt us on offense. I'm afraid this will make us one dimensional
allowing JD to just put 7-8 guys in the box to stop the Tiger rushing attack.
I'm actually looking forward to the tail-gate with MykalJordan, than the
@utahbruin, IF Orem gets by Highland, they will get buried by MC. Orem should
have lost to Sky View last week and MC is a much better team. MC doesn't
get challenged until the Championship game.
Binghamalum forgets that Jordan's toughest challenge last year before Lone
Peak was Northridge and Northridge has everyone back. They have arguably the
best running back in the state along with a very underrated QB and defense.
Expect them to give Jordan a serious challenge.He should also note
that most of the points against Syracuse have been against their 2nd and 3rd
strings. Their starters never play the fourth quarter and rarely all of the
third. The same story was said against Syracuse last year when they knocked off
Alta.It is also hilarious that he says Syracuse has a weak schedule
considering the fact that they have four of the eight quarterfinals teams in 5A
and they won that region undefeated.Syracuse has much more speed on
defense than they had last year when they lost in OT in the Semi-finals.
Fortunately, they actually have an offense this year that can put up points for
once with five legitimate receivers with speed and a very accurate dual threat
QB.All that being said, I think Jordan is in a class of their own
with Alta, Syracuse, Northridge and Bingham as contenders for runner up.
The way I see it, it's pretty up in the air in 4A. And 5A is pretty set.
Bingham, Lone Peak, and Jordan are all going to roll this week, Alta and
Syracuse will be the game of the week, and will go to the wire, Ultimately
though, I think home field takes it. In 4A, the only sure thing that I see is
East beating Box Elder, Box Elder isn't that good, East will tear them
apart. I realize that Timpview is an obvious favorite over WX, but I think WX is
underestimated, and their home advantage will be big, I think they win.
Bountiful and Mt. Crest will be interesting, both teams have the potential to
blow the other one, up, and it's going to be a momentum game, whoever grabs
the momentum will win. As for Orem and Highland, I'm saying 4A game of the
week. Orem's Offense is good, but their D isn't too great, Highland is
the other way around, but I think Highland takes it.What I see:5A:Syracuse - BinghamLone Peak - Jordan4A:Highland - Mt. CrestEast - Woods Cross
@utahbruinYou've lived in utah county all your life right?Have you been to one single Bingham game thisyear???? Have you even seen
Syracuse yet living down in Saratoga Spring?HAVE you not seen
Bingham has beat there last 4 opponents 183-27( not great competition) done since a blown game to Lone PeakBINGHAM is HEALTHY if you dont
wanna hear it from me, Go read what Coach Peck said him self about this same
team your thinking is overrated!will people quit comparing Bingham
of Old to new Bingham teams! Stop comparing Bingham right now to the same team
that was ranked #4 in the country. Please stop that.Why do people
think Davis who had to win a playin game will go down to Lone peak and Win??They beat a bad kearns and people think that region 1 will have 3 teams
at Rice eccles next week! REGION 1 WILL BE ELIMINATED!Bingham
kills fremontAlta beats syracuse a very goood gameJordan whoops
NorthridgeLone Peak squeak one out at home. Leaving 0 teams
from Region 1! Remember people 2003 the last region 1 football title.making it 9 years in a row
Does anybody else think it might be time for a change in coaching at Pine View?
So many good teams and talent squandered away the past few years...
I would be curious to what a Desert Hills Fan, Coach, or player thinks about the
Dixie/Stansbury game? Both teams played Desert Hills, and played them in close
games. I feel Dixie has a chance to knock off Stansbury if they can protect the
QB, and catch the ball as they did against North Sanpete. I don't know if
their defense can stop Stansbury's run game, but I think Dixie has the
tools win a high scoring game. Anyway, that's my two cents.
@ goaggies1Alta only returned 3 starters this year, and only 1 of those
was from a line position. Barker and Handley were the other two. So while
you're correct in being impressed by Syracuse doing something similar, Alta
has that impressive fact going for them, too.Northridge is the only
team with a good offense to play Syracuse, so far. When they played, Northridge
was the second highest scoring team in 5A. But Northridge earned those points
against easy defenses, so it wasn't too shocking when Syracuse shut them
down. Alta will be their first real defensive test this year, and their DBs
better be on their game or Alta's WRs will tear them apart!
@cubs4Life - You make my point exactly, it shouldn't be determined prior to
season. Rank and Seed them. I know it is uneven with schools and playoff
spots, but do not give the 5 Seed out of a reg. a playoff spot until the season
is done. Also, don't pair up regions. Seed the teams.As for
state.5A - Bingham wins this week and then they are done. Not the
Bingham of old, they are over rated just like Lone Peak. Davis beats Lone Peak.
'Cuse beats Alta, 'Cuse beats Bingham. Jordan beats Davis and
'Cuse.4A - Orem beats Highland, and I think Mtn Crest beats
Bountiful, which sets up a great passing game with Orem and Mtn Crest that I
think Orem gets at RES. Timpview gets Woods Cross, East rolls up BE. East
proved to be easy to pass on with Logan throwing for 437 yards and Herriman
throwing for 302. Timpview rolls big and beats Orem again for the title.3A - I think Region 9 is to tough, Spanish won't beat D. Hills, and
I think Hurricane gets past JD and Stansbury and wins it all, like they have
been there before.
Super excited for the games this week! Should be some good ones!!! I stand
with mykalijordan in the belief that the winner of Juan Diego and Hurricane will
be the eventual state champion in 3A. Unfortunately, this is only a
quarterfinal game. This postseason has already had too many semi and
championship match-ups too early, but you got to beat the best eventually
whether in the beginning or the end! Good luck to all and Go Tigers!!!!
@binghamalum,just watch on Saturday...I think that Northridge
is going to surprise Jordan and it will at least be close, although I think
Jordan is better. Davis will beat Lone Peak and Syracuse will beat Alta.
Bingham is going to slaughter Fremont.Semi-finalsSyracuse-BinghamJordan-Davis
To all the Non Believers!Binghams the #2 defense in 5A!Behind Syracuse only, and Binghams schedule is wayyyyyyyy tougher,Alta-17 lossLone Peak-21 lossValor Christian 20- winCwood
twice 13, 14-both winsI wanna see what a good offense can do against
Syracuse really bad.
utahbruin,WE know the playoff system is bad, but when you have 4
regions in 5A, and 5 region is 4A you need a simple method to do the playoffs in
Utah.Thats why we see 2-7 teams make the playoffs, we dont know
befor the season who wil be good and the playoffs are put together before the
year even begins! remember 3 years in a row, Bingham vs Alta in the
Semi's??? then either team went on and easily won the state title. Now to your potentional final and semi final gamesThe only one I
can agree with is Juan Diego HurricaneBecause Jordan will destroy
Northridge,Alta and Syracuse both will lose to Bingham!Jordan
loves how no one talks about them all year.Do we forget they are the
best team this year, Talent all around, There line is all going somewhere next
year. This is Jordans year to Lose in my opinion. (If you dont stop
the run which no one has done yet) they possibly could lose, but they make
throws easy for Kafentzis,4A I think Timpview Wins state, even after
all the controversy. 3A is Juan Diego of course.
I love all the talk about Syracuse Defense! They have not played one
Dynamic Offense yet this entire year people! Northridge is about to
lose to Jordan by 30 points! Thats been there toughest Game all yearThey have allowed 14 points all year as there highest allowed to a game,Box Elder, Northridge, and Davis! all 3 lose this week.So Im still
very hesitant on how good this Defense is! I liked what I saw last friday on
KJZZ but I mean seriously I already mentioned Binghams 8th graders could of beat
that Viewmont Team.But respect is given to this Syracuse team! but I
mean seriously here is Salt Lake Valley football, and Alta this could be there
last year of really good football, because guesss what people.....The new Draper high school opens, and they already have kids saying there not
going to ALTA anymore, Brand New high school, WAYYYY nicer then Alta, so there
sports will take a HUGE drop the next few years!Alta has alot on the
line in this game! Either way both Syracuse or Alta LOSE TO BINGHAM
This is the problem with not seeding the teams for the playoffs, to many
potential Semi Final or Final games to early.Alta vs. SyracuseNorthridge vs. JordanHurricane vs. Juan DiegoNot
to mention, Timpview vs. Logan which turned into a blowout, or East vs.
Herriman, which for the second game in three tries East DB's were exposed
with another 300 yard pass game.
I will pick Syracuse as well. I have watched both teams this year and just feel
Syracuse is better rounded with offense and defense. I saw Alta play agaisnt the
boys from Jersey and there are some areas that can be exposed. I know Syracuse
has a few areas that need to be worked on. I have watched Alta running game
against Riverton on friday. Please keep your same running game you will be fine
agaisnt this defense. You have two great receivers in Ammon Barker and Harrison.
Im more scored of Barker. He is a stud. Handley is just as scary. Syracuse plays
well together as a team Not one player thinks he is better than the next. I also
saw the size of Alta's line. They are college size boys, they are big.
Syracuse's line defensive and offensive can handle their own. Syracuse has
no returning sarters at all on either line. I know people talk about their
schedule and how week it was, but no returning starters. Are you kidding me,
they should have gotten beaten by someone if they are week. It starts up front.
Syracuse is well rounded in all aspects. Go Cuse.
I love all the talk about Syracuse Defense! They have not played one
Dynamic Offense yet this entire year people! Northridge is about to
lose to Jordan by 30 points! Thats been there toughest Game all yearThey have allowed 14 points all year as there highest allowed to a game,those 3 teams, Box Elder, Northridge, and Davis! All 3 of these teams
are going to Lose this week! So Im still very hesitant on how good
this Defense is! I liked what I saw last friday on KJZZ but I mean seriously I
already mentioned Binghams 8th graders could of beat that Viewmont Team.But respect is given to this Syracuse team! but I mean seriously here is
Salt Lake Valley football, and Alta this could be there last year of really good
football, because guesss what people.....The new Draper high school
opens, and they already have kids saying there not going to ALTA anymore, Brand
New high school, WAYYYY nicer then Alta, so there sports will take a HUGE drop
the next few years!Alta has alot on the line in this game! Either way both Syracuse or Alta LOSE TO BINGHAM next week!
I pick Syracuse over Alta, not just because i go to Syracuse, but because
defense wins championships. And Alta will be a challenge but i think people are
underestimating how good Syracuse's D really is.
Alta is out for revenge against Syracuse for the first round upset last year,
which is an edge that Syracuse counters with their home field advantage. Both
have a lot to prove and everything to lose. I expect a close game, with one team
pulling ahead in the fourth quarter. Final score, Alta 21 Syracuse 17.Go Hawks!
Offense and DefenseAlta:Offense - Widely accepted as the best
passing game in the state, with Chipper Lucero leading 5A in passing yards. His
targets include Ammon Barker, who leads 5A in reception yards, Harrison Handley,
a Utah commit, and Mack Richards and Logan Harrison. Alta’s weakness is
their running game, although that has improved in recent games.Defense
– After struggling early in the season, Alta’s first-string defense
hasn’t given up a touchdown in the last 4 games, with the exception of a
kickoff return TD by Copper Hills.Syracuse:Offense – Boasts a
strong and balanced pass/run offense. They’re able to run the ball, or
rely on QB Anderson’s ability to find one of a number of quality
receivers. Anderson is probably the 5th best QB in the state this year, behind
Kafentzis, Lloyd, Falk and Lucero.Defense – Syracuse has the best
defense in the state. Period. With 4 shutouts on the year, and only 70 points
allowed total, they could be winning games even if their offense was half as
good as they are.Offensive edge to Alta. Defensive edge to Syracuse.Go Hawks!
Alta @ Syracuse will be the game of the week, for sure! I’ve been saying
all year that Syracuse is the team to upset Jordan, IF they can get past Alta.
Both deserve their high ranking, that’s for sure. Strength of
ScheduleAlta 9-2: Timpview, Bingham, Olympus, Riverton, Jordan, Brighton,
Don Bosco NJ, Copper Hills, West Jordan, Cottonwood, Riverton. Tough schedule,
maybe toughest in the state. Losses coming to #1 Jordan and National Powerhouse
Don Bosco.Syracuse 10-0: Desert Hills, Skyline, Riverton, Box Elder,
Davis, Layton, Northridge, Freemont, Weber, Viewmont. Played 3 decent teams and
1 good team (N-Ridge), and went undefeated.Go Hawks!
That puts QB Lloyd at 42 TD's and 5 Int's to lead the State in
passing.WR Raymond at 17 TD catches to also lead the State....Combined with a great OLine, a nasty defense, and many other playmakers
on Offense....I know people look at East...but Timpview is the team
to beat.Especially with their experienced coaching staff that has
won 6 or so state championships already.Should get interesting from
here on in....
@Tigerpride and lonzoI hope you two can make it to the tailgate.I
dont think southpride56 has followed the rivalry of JD and Hurricane that
much.Its going to be a very close and good game (base on past games play against
each other) the team that controls the clock an has the least mistakes WINS.IMO
the team that wins this game takes state..good luck to both the Eagles of JD and
the Tigers of Hurricane.JD FAN
@Southpride...Nobody dominates JD and nobody dominates Hurricane. Both teams
are so good, every year, that it just doesn't happen. One team may lose by
a touchdown or so occasionally, but neither team has been dominated in a long
time. The last time Hurricane was dominated, it was by Riley Nelson's
Logan team in the playoffs and, even then, Hurricane gave Logan the toughest
test in the tournament.
@southpride- This is the first game I've been really nervous about all
year. As much as I would love to see hurricane beat jd, they are the one team
that I am sure hurricane will never dominate. I can only hope that hurricane
gets far enough ahead to withstand jd's notorious game ending drive. Go tigers! Good luck!!!
To all our Tiger Fans, that well be making the trip up to the Eagles Nest
friday, you are welcome to join us JD parents on the southeast side for a
tailgate . come and lets enjoy each others company and great food. we start at
2pm and hope u come out. Nothing better then making new friends and watching HS
football .see you there.@Southpride56Hurricane has never
dominated JD ever. hope u make the tailgate party,and don't have an excuse
not to make the trip. but then again,if you're really a Tiger fan to the
Fullest , you'll come. JD Fan to the Heart..
5ABingham, Syracuse Jordan Lone Peak4AOrem, Mt Crest
Timpview East3AJuan Diego Desert Hills Stansbury Spanish Fork
Hurricane will dominate JDHurricane fan to the fullest!!
YepHurricane and JD should be a great oneSyracuse and Alta
will be a great matchup too
Looks like 2A North was a little overrated!!! Go San Juan!!! Congratulations to
Grand for knocking off Millard.
Hurricane at Juan Diego " Game of The WEEK "