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Published: Saturday, Oct. 27 2012 9:15 p.m. MDT

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Hagatha
Ogden, UT

@UtahBruin
School pride is great but when it comes to playoffs you have to have an unbiased opinion.

I totally agree with you there, but there are many who post on these boards who are so close minded and bias it is sickening. They live in their own fantasy world that their team is the best in the world and nobody can change that opinion.

Gunner
South Jordan, UT

RTURN598: When Bingham played Valor, they were a nationally ranked team! They had just come off something like a 24 game winning streak the week before. Their QB and RB both Del Rio and McCaffery's kids respectively, were absolute studs that make just about every top player in this state look like little league kids. And the reason I did the "woulda shoulda coulda" was because I don't consider a botched snap as an athletic play that makes Alta better than Bingham. They are who they are, a team with 2 losses. But like I said, they are playing probably the best ball in all 3 aspects of the game in the state right now. And UtahBruin, A down Cottonwood team that has 3-4 D1 kids on it that almost beat Jordan when they played. Their athletes were made to look silly in both games vs the Miners. Again, who has Cuse played that is an impressive win? Bunch of 3A teams, and a crappy region schedule. They will beat Alta, but next week they will get worked by Bingham. Write it down.

RTURN598
south jordan, UT

exactly my point Gunner,
they WERE nationally ranked....in the beginning of the season so what does that tell u? they were respected nationally because of what they had done in the PAST! this year their a different team and you can tell with their 7-3 record. sure Valor is still a good team but your underestimating how good utah high school football is compared to colorado.(which i think is ALOT better)

Hagatha
Ogden, UT

I guess I did not make myself clear the first time. STOP posting things if you are just going to spout off your bias opinions and not do any research first.

Example # 4 From Gunner: "Again, who has Cuse played that is an impressive win? Bunch of 3A teams, and a crappy region schedule."

--For the record, Syracuse has only played one 3A team on the season and that was in the first game of the season against Desert Hills.

This just shows that many people who post on here do NOT do the research before posting or just are ignorant before they post their comments. Either way, they are assuming things...and we all know what happens when we assume, right?

Region9Tiger
Hurricane, UT

@amanap

I'm not conceding at all. Just keepin' it 100. I'm not like a typical PV fan who thinks their team is the best assembled team year after year, who's going undefeated and winning state. You seem to know defensive schemes very well, you should apply for a DC position at your alma mater. You jus mad cuz I tell it how it is, and you tell it how it might be.

Irrelevant
Provo, UT

@amanap

perhaps I'm defending truth, in the words of Uncle Ben "With great power comes great responsibility."

AllDayEreDay
Syracuse , UT

@Gunner
Who has Syracuse played, a bunch of 3A teams and a crappy region schedule...

What makes Region 1 so crappy? is it because they went 4-0 in the first round of the playoffs? No other region can say that. Region 1 may lose 3 or 4 games this weekend. But they have all 4 teams from their region playing this weekend. There are a couple of really really good teams in each region this year and after the top 2 teams, its soft in every region. Everyone for the most part had a crappy region schedule. From the way the playoffs have worked out so far its seems like Region 1 has the toughest region... Region 1 4-0, Region 2 0-4, Region 3 2-2, Region 4 2-2.

ProudBigBrother
NORTH SALT LAKE, UT

In page 1 of this thread, I listed some fair and unbiased opinions as to how Alta and Syracuse match up. Personally, I'm cheering for Alta, because my brother is a play-maker there, so I'm hoping they win, but I don't see it as a clear cut victory for either team. Both are good teams and I give Syracuse credit where it's due, but Alta is also a good team, offensively and defensively.

I get the feeling that people keep reading other people's prior posts, which mostly stated that 'Cuse would win, and they have reposted it as their own opinion after buying into other people's opinions, without looking at both teams and deciding based on the facts.

Can anyone, who has looked at both teams in some depth, give me a clear and educated reason why Syracuse is apparently so highly favored that everyone thinks they'll win? I'm honestly just curious what the reasons are. I'd like a chance to answer your reasoning.

AllDayEreDay
Syracuse , UT

@Gunner
Who has Syracuse played, a bunch of 3A teams and a crappy region schedule...

What makes Region 1 so crappy? is it because they went 4-0 in the first round of the playoffs? No other region can say that. Region 1 may lose 3 or 4 games this weekend. But they have all 4 teams from their region playing this weekend. Can your region say that? There are a couple of really really good teams in each region this year and after the top 2 teams its soft in every region. Everyone for the most part had a crappy region schedule. From the way the playoffs have worked out so far its seems like Region 1 has the toughest region... Region 1 4-0, Region 2 0-4, Region 3 2-2, Region 4 2-2.

ProudBigBrother
NORTH SALT LAKE, UT

AllDayEreDay is right, each region has two good teams (R1 Syracuse and Northridge, R2 Hunter and Granger (just decent teams), R3 Jordan and Alta, R4 Lone Peak and Bingham), and some of the rest of the teams just have flashes of fortune. So really, if you're going to judge strength of schedule, you need to look at the non-region games. Which is why Alta has the toughest schedule this year. Their non-region games were Timpview, Bingham, Olympus (pretty easy team), Riverton and Don Bosco NJ. Throw Jordan in as their tough region opponent and that's a pretty freakin' hard regular season! And they came out of it 8-2.

Now, follow that up with a lineup of Riverton, Syracuse, Bingham and Jordan as potential post season foes and that may be one of the hardest fought title runs seen in a long time! I'm not suggesting they are favored to do it, but if they manage it... Crazy!

utahfootballfun
South Jordan, UT

I know both teams pretty well...if Alta and Syracuse both play their best game, Syracuse has a small edge. However, both teams have the potential to blow the other team off the field if they don't play their "A" game. They both have a lot of athleticism. Alta definitely has an advantage in the area of depth since Syracuse plays 7 guys both ways. I know that their defense suffers a bit because of this.

I think they both have next level players. Unfortunately, the Syracuse coaches do very little to promote their kids. They don't put their stats in MaxPreps and other sites like Alta, Davis, Jordan, etc...in addition, they had several kids invited to camps this year and the coaches told them they couldn't go because the camps conflicted with their own camp. Many of the Syracuse kids have sacrificed their personal stats and promotion so they can play both ways and support the overall team. That is very impressive to me. Alta coaches have credentials but Syracuse has one of the best d-coordinators I have seen in a long time.

TruBlueAggie25
Logan, UT

@Proud Big Brother
I will be honest, I am biased... I graduated from Syracuse and witnessed Syracuse get hammered by Alta in the playoffs in 2009, so I really want Syracuse to win.

That being said... Their defense is very good... If you look at Syracuse's history... Defense has always been their strong point. Early on they were small and a new program, so against big schools it didn't work to well... Beating Alta last year shows that they have made the turn and have that high quality... That has continued this year.
Now their competition wasn't that good, but if you look at how many points they allowed... That's impressive. Especially in the case of Riverton and Skyline. Skyline scored a lot of points this year and Syracuse shut them out...

I agree that Alta and Syracuse are about even, but in the only similar game... Syracuse shut down Riverton 23-0 and Alta won both times but by less... That is never a perfect judgment, but its something we can go off of...
I stick with what I said before...

TruBlueAggie25
Logan, UT

@ProudBigBrother
Thanks for your analysis early on, its pretty cool to look at.

I still think
Syracuse beats Alta in a close game in the high teens low twenties in scoring
Bingham will crush Fremont (props to Fremont though for eliminating a number 1 team from the playoffs... I don't care which Region its from)
Davis beats Lone Peak (Davis will surprise them)
Jordan beats Northridge in a close game. Should be good

Syracuse then beats Bingham
Jordan beats Davis

I then will give my final guess with total bias... Syracuse beats Jordan...
I have no proof, I just want it to happen.

Digs
Dickshooter, ID

Utahfootballfan
Jordan never played NRidge last year. NRidge played LP. It was a good game. Jordan played Viewmont. Then Jordan played LP. Also a good game. I think it will be a fun game to watch.

ProudBigBrother
NORTH SALT LAKE, UT

Thank you for your responses, biased or not. I agree that Syracuse's D is outstanding, the best in the league most likely. As for the Riverton example, I wish it had been later in the year, because I'm sure both teams have improved immensely since their third and fourth week, evident in the fact that Alta dominated Riverton so proficiently in the first round, scoring 27 unanswered points in three quarters before letting second string take over (Riverton TDs were against the depth roster, not starters).

An interesting fact about Alta's O&D: In the last four games, during the quarters that Alta's first string played, Alta's points for/against is 144/6, and that 6 points was on a Copper Hills kickoff return. Syracuse defense is most likely better, but Alta's D should have what it takes to make stops against the Syracuse offense.

ProudBigBrother
NORTH SALT LAKE, UT

The other thing that I think helps Alta's cause and gives them an important edge in big-time-game experience are their games vs Timpview, Bingham, Jordan and Don Bosco. All four of those games were very intense, both in pregame hype and actual play. Alta is used to playing under pressure, and since two if those games were losses, they have learned to settle down under pressure and just focus on the task at hand. I've always found in competing that I learn a lot, often times more, from the games I lose. Alta vs Bingham at RES is one if the biggest rivalry games of the year and brings an intense playoff-like atmosphere, as anyone who has attended can attest to. And the game vs Jordan, AT Jordan, was very high stakes, as they both knew they were playing for the region title.

In contrast, Syracuse's only real challenge and significant game was against Northridge. I think Alta will come prepared mentally and physically to take it to Syracuse on both O&D.

I would still love to hear a statistical based reason that 'Cuse has Alta's number.

Prep Fanatic
Los Angeles, CA

These are the schedules that Alta and Syracuse have played thus far, and the number on the right is the current National ranking for their opponents. As you can see, Alta has by far played tougher opponents this year and their SOS is 36.8, which is the best in the state. Syracuse's SOS is 22.5, which is one of the lower ones in both 5A and 4A. Alta has prepared for this game, by playing a tougher schedule, which will equate to a win. Don't get me wrong, Syracuse is a good team at 10-0, but Alta is better.

Alta (142)
5Don Bosco PrepL
73TimpviewW
98JordanL
210BinghamW
960RivertonW
960Riverton W
965BrightonW
2599Cottonwood W
2846Olympus W
3206West Jordan W
7421Copper Hills W

Syracuse (165)
554Northridge W
816Box Elder W
960RivertonW
1228DavisW
1631Desert Hills W
2548Fremont W
3229LaytonW
3500SkylineW
7006WeberW
7363ViewmontW

Parry is a Farce
Layton, UT

AllDayEreDay:

I would not try to make the case that Region 1 is the best because they went 4-0 in the first round. Region 1 may be the best, I don't think so but maybe (go 4-0 this week and it is no question). The fact that Region 1 went 4-0 this week is a function of Region 2 being hands down the worst region in 5A. I think that Region 2 would have gone 0-4 in the 3A tournament. I think Region 2 would have gone 1-3 if they'd played each other in the first round.

Region 1 could very easily turn around and lose all 4 games this week. Syracuse/Alta is a tossup. Fremont likely loses. Davis has a chance as Lone Peak struggled last week. Jordan is that good that Northridge is likely in trouble.

Parry is a Farce
Layton, UT

My hunch is Bingham over Lone Peak in the final.

This week:

-Alta beats Syracuse in a tough game. I pick Alta for revenge from last year and think Alta is more tempered this year from the difficult games they have played.

-Bingham beats Fremont handily, Fremont graduated a special class last year and is just not that good, they probably should have lost to Layton and not even be in the tournament but a good draw against a champion from a bad Region 2 gets them here.

-Lone Peak beats Davis in a closer game than it should be. Davis is down this year from where they usually are and while Lone Peak does not win big, they still seem to win.

-Jordan is pretty good and Northridge, while an impressive season, loses to a better team.

Argue away. Just my thoughts on it. I could very easily go 0-4 on my picks, but I think that Bingham is a gimme.

Hagatha
Ogden, UT

And round and round we go Jack...

Example # 5 From Parry is a Farce: I think Region 2 would have gone 1-3 if they'd played each other in the first round.

Well, if the 4 teams from Region 2 would have played each other, it would have gone 2-2. There is no other way they could go...unless of course the UHSAA steps in and makes some teams forfeit the game, and not others...but they would never do that, right?

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