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Published: Monday, Oct. 22 2012 12:00 a.m. MDT

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Salt Lake City, Utah

The mentality of the liberals is that as long as someone else is going to pay the bills who cares?

one old man
Ogden, UT

This letter is total nonsense.

"Obamacare" requires that we all take personal responsibility and begin paying for our medical care through insurance. How can it be "free" when we are all being responsible for ourselves?

Isn't that exactly what conservatives are always yowling about? But they are prepared to destroy the only advance we've made in that direction in their efforts to make Obama a one-term president.

They're willing to destroy us all to make that happen.


Sanitation, clean air and water are part of the "general welfare, no doubt; all suffer or benefit from the state of the public water supply, the general atmosphere, and disease from lack of sanitiation. Control of infectious diseases likewise comes under the same categorisation, unlike some other aspects of "medicine". However "doctorcraft" should not be publicly funded and encouraged, though a good surgeon is often very helpful.

Whatever the reasons, though, healthcare is too expensive; who can afford it? If costs cannot be reduced then we rely on charitable donations from the public, and kind doctors who feel they can and want to afford it. If these are deficient we are likely, for good or for evil, to have government intervention in healthcare more or less. I wish we could choose to opt out though - without penalty. Consider the sad fact that freedom itself is injured, sick and dying.

Orem, UT

The main problem with health care is that with insurance, co-pays, government mandates, and now ObamaCare, we have almost completely taken away all the free market processes that have made many other systems fast, efficient, and much more cost effective.

Nobody asks what something costs anymore. They don't care, because they are not directly paying the bill. You get a bill for just a portion of the service sometimes months later. The bill is the same whether you chose option A or option B at the time of service.

Its kind of like a restaraunt where everyone must pay a set fee at the door for their food. Everyone wants to eat all they can, even if they are not very hungry. They want the steak, lobster, and shrimp instead of the salad or potatoes. Then they wonder why the price at the door seems to keep going up.

J Thompson

Gildas wrote: "Consider the sad fact that freedom itself is injured, sick and dying."

That is a statement that we should all have framed and hanging on our walls. That is a statement that we should FIRST think about when Obama promises more "free stuff". That is a statement that we should read when Obama tells college students that education should be "free". That is a statement we should read when Obama feeds Big Bird.

Our freedom is at state. Every time government reaches into our wallets and takes a few dollars for another politically correct program that is not one of the enumerated programs allowed by Article 1, Section 8 of the Constitution, we should remember what Gildas wrote.

Our freedom is injured, sick and dying. It truly is.

Salt Lake City, UT

The left wing is similar to someone who orders an expensive meal in a restaurant and then acts surprised when the bill comes and they are unable to pay. It must be someones else's fault, the people at another table, the rich patrons, the tsunami or even George Bush. Economic reality is nonsense only to those skilled at spending other people's money.

Spanish Fork, Ut

One Old Man, I'm glad you piped in with your two cents because that is about what it's worth. Millions and millions of Americans are on welfare (and growing under Obama's watch). They not only don't pay their own healthcare costs, they don't even pay for their own food! Your statement that we all pay our fair share under Obamacare is utter foolishness.

LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

Selective mis-reasoning, again --

Why is it you guys always forgot to mention the 'free' Wars,
the 'free' oil, and
the 'free' Corporate hand-outs?

But go ahead ultra-Cons,
keep taking your frustrations out on the poor, sick, elderly and the needy.

Ultra Bob
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Cindy says: Consider, however, the cost that the doctor put into his education in time, energy and actual money. Ask him to give that away for free, and he becomes an unpaid servant to those he is treating. His investment gains him nothing.

When a businessman, in this case a Doctor, claims he did it all by himself and therefore deserves all the profit, he is lying. While much of the Doctors self is of his own making, and much of it paid for in cash, the most important part of his success came from the opportunity that was given him by a host of other people both living and dead.

Does America and those other Americans deserve any return on their investment?

Why does one person have the right to become rich just by having the means to take advantage of the opportunity?

Springville, UT

This letter and most of the comments are just typical right wing Faux News (or even worse, Glenn Beck) regurgitation of "I have insurance, everyone else can suffer and die". Pathetic.

The Real Maverick
Orem, UT

We already pay twice as much as the next country for health care. It's obvious that this "free market" style of health care is far more expensive and less effective than a single payer system.

Get rid of the middle-man, insurance companies, and watch how much cheaper, effective, and efficient our health care becomes. Yes, we all know that insurance companies don't want to see this happen. But we must, for the welfare and financial stability of our country, do it.

Eric Samuelsen
Provo, UT

Not sure what the point of this letter is, but I guess it's a call for higher taxes. So, yeah, agreed.
One idea everyone on the Right seems to agree with is that liberals want free stuff. This is, like most things the Right thinks liberals believe, complete balderdash. One reason we like Obamacare is that it is responsibly and fully funded.
The Right, on the other hand, is running a Presidential candidate who thinks you can just cut taxes to the bone and it's no big deal, because 'tax cuts pay for themselves.' And THAT is the mentality that's led to trillion dollar deficits.
Put another way: Grover Norquist is not a patriot.

American Fork, UT

We need a single payer health system. Payer, of course, is a term that suggests it is not free. Of course health care isn't free. But we pay way too much for it, have way too many hands in the pot and don't get anywhere near the value we should for it. But it's not free. We get that.

John C. C.
Payson, UT

Of course the good benefit programs are not free. We pay for them with our taxes because we believe in taking care of those who need our help. Please join us.

one old man
Ogden, UT

Sorry, Biff, but your comment about my comment is where the foolishness lies.

Please turn off the neocon radio and make an effort to learn the truth.

I know it will require some effort, but you'll find it worth it if you will try.

Salt Lake City, UT

No one, other than Republicans, are offering "free stuff."

The ACA is paid for through premiums and taxes, just like Medicare and Madicaid, VA hospitals, and countless other programs that rely on public funding to do important work that the private sector either can't or won't.

What concerns me most, however, is this new meme from the right about how (in their minds) people who call for improvements in public services do so in the absence of an awareness of the fiscal impact of these improvements.

Do you guys really believe that when liberals observe that our schools, roads, bridges, dams, etc. have suffered from decades of neglect and underfunding that we don't recognize that serious money is involved in addressing this neglect? Or that you can't make meaningful progress with either the deficit or our crumbling infrastructure without an overhaul of our tax system, and that, yes, taxes will need to be raised if you hope to pay for all the stuff that desperately needs to be done?

Conservatives lately act as though they believe that civilization just happens without the need for mutual participation in paying for it.

Sandy, UT

To all you so called conservatives I ask, how do you think your empty suit "saved" Bain Capital in the 90's and allegedly turned a profit for the SL Olympics in 2002? It was from government bailouts, free money from the tax payer so let's end this hypocritical discussion of welfare and start insisting that Congress start investing in Main street rather than just Wall Street. If you want to cut welfare, food stamps and unemployment insurance then bring back the TRILLIONS from overseas, quit the obstruction and invest in America.

Joan Watson

Our Federal deficent that depends on ever escalating taxes, borrowed or wothless printed money, will weaken America to the point of impotency. If one is so naive to beleive this will never happen a study of ancient civilizatons will give one pause to rethink the direction this country is headed.

LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

Joan Watson
If one is so naive to beleive this will never happen a study of ancient civilizatons will give one pause to rethink the direction this country is headed.

11:22 a.m. Oct. 22, 2012


OK - You brought it up, so let's look at history --


Great civilizations and Nations, but here's where and when they all failed:

1. Shunning the poor, the sick and the needy,
2. Starting OFFENSIVE wars.

Conservative values then,
Conservative values now.

It's WHY I contend with your sorts daily.
I love this nation, and do not want to see it's failure.

The Real Maverick
Orem, UT

Where were Cindy's letters full of concern over the debt when her President gave us NCLB, Medicare Part D, and 2 wars?

If she was really concerned, wouldn't she have written about that "free stuff" also? Why was she missing in action during those 8 years?

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