Re: mark Salt Lake City, UT"Game over rifleman. If that happens Obama
wins going away."Then Obama and his campaign staff have nothing
to worry about. Right??
Rifleman, do you guys never present anything accurately? You know, the full
picture? You need 270 electoral votes to win the election. RCP shows
131 electoral votes are a toss up, such as Ohio where Obama still has a lead
(granted smaller). I still think Obama is going to win. When it comes right down
to it I don't think people like Romney. He comes off as smarmy. And I think
there will be enough people that notice the full change in positions that he
takes, and what appears to be a tendency to say whatever he thinks will get him
what he needs at the moment. A used car salesman. But yeah, it's a close
race. You know what else I think is going to happen? Obama is going
to send in seal team six a few days before the election to take out the people
that attacked the consulate. Game over rifleman. If that happens
Obama wins going away.
Re: mark Salt Lake City, UTRomney was smart not to overplay
Obama's problem with the attack on our consulate in Libya. The latest RCP
electoral count is Romney 206, Obama 201.How in the world did Obama
allow that to happen?
AZ Rods, you really aren't being very accurate in what you are presenting.
But be that as it may, I find it interesting that you are more then
willing to blame the previous president for an attack that happened nine months
into President Bush's term, but I've seen you make arguments that
President Obama is responsible for everything that has happened since day one of
his term. In fact you do it right in your post: another "it's
Bush's fault".So you are more then willing to say it's
Clinton's fault, yet you don't want people to point out when it's
Bush's fault. Interesting.
So for all the GWB bashing, how long had he been president?Clinton was the
president during the time 9/11 was being planned and arranged.An attack of
this magnitude takes months and years to prepare.Clinton was too busy
playing with his new toy and pushing military strength to the bottom of the
ladder.Bush walked in the door when no one knew of the impending
attack.Nice try to putting another 'It's Bush fault" into
the history books.
Romney did not get the memo.
"Obama has spent more on this war and lost more American lives in 4 years in
Afghanistan than Bush did with two wars in 7 years."Uh. . . SS,
you are wrong.
@ The Skeptical Chymist,You probably won't read this because it
is so late, but Obama has spent more on this war and lost more American lives in
4 years in Afghanistan than Bush did with two wars in 7 years. So I think this
is a perfect place of comparison to show exactly how inefficient Obama is. I
can't believe you even try to make that argument.
You know, I am going to laugh so hard when a couple of days before the election
President Obama orders that great SEAL team six in to take these guys out.
Election over, Obama wins in a landslide, go home Mitt. Tell me you guys really
don't see that coming. HaHa, you guys are gonna be crying, I'll tell
you what. Goodnight lyin' Ryan and don't let the door hit you on the
way out Mitt. Classic! And you guys are walking right into it.
Didn't anybody tell you? You don't play politics with foreign policy.
A person with intelligence experience would not credit with what the President
said in the Rose Garden as the truth if the Administration personnel, who are
hired by the Obama Administration led people to think it was a mob riot. Those
weapons were high powered and precise hits that just any person on the street
could not perform, especially with the rage they had in their blood that
morning.They were hired hit men who made an exact display of what
they wanted with our drone overhead validating what was happening.No
matter how the President skews this, hiding behind Mrs. Clinton or Mrs. Rice,he
did not act with his duty under the Constitution of the United States of
America.Israel is probably hoping that this President doesn't
get elected again, either. They can perform alot of what they need to do but
they do need a nation who helps support them against all their neighbors.You can't make peace unless you have an upper hand and these
nations know that fact after thousands of years of fighting between
themselves.When the old Libyan leader told us he had chemical
weapons, he didn't think this happens.
From the Wall Street Journal 9/21/2012:“In the days before
Sept. 11, intelligence agencies issued their annual warning of heightened
security risks around the anniversary of the 2001 attacks. Many counterterrorism
officials saw a lessened risk this year than last year, which was the 10th
anniversary and the first one after the killing of Osama bin Laden.In
Libya, embassy personnel conducted a security review right before the
anniversary. It determined there was no reason to think an attack was planned or
the consulate in Benghazi was "insufficiently postured," said a senior
administration official.”The article also reported that security at
the Libyan consulate included "a four-man team of armed guards protecting
the perimeter and four unarmed Libyan guards inside to screen visitors." The
Journal also noted: "Besides the four armed Libyans outside, five armed
State Department diplomatic security officers were at the consulate." Obama, interviewed by Steve Kroft (“60 Minutes”) 14 hrs
after the Benghazi attack for a previously scheduled interview, told Kroft he
did not believe it was like what happened in Egypt, a result of mob violence,
but that probably the individuals were targeting Americans from the start.
@bill your amazed by what liberals will believe yet you admit he did say
terror at a speech in the rose garden that was about the benghazi attacks and
you want to believe it may have been about 9/11 or some other random act?
Thank goodness that others have joined into this forum today, even though some
are out hunting to keep their 2nd amendment rights active.We live in
a country that has a Constitution that should be permenant in thought and
attitude. Thank goodness, also, that people chose to have Amendments as a form
to change important issues. Our President wants to show people of
the world that we are not a good people from the past until the present. He
needs to have feelings of Insiring the People and not make them devisive. When the mother of one of the deceased embassy employees doesn't
want her son politicized, that is good. However, it is the President of the
United States of America that politicized this whole event. He should have been
honest upfront and admit that his administration chose not to provided adequate
protection for the last six months before the attack. He used a video that had
been out for 3-months to highlight that it was a religious motivated act of a
riot and not terrorism.He lambasted our dedicated Intelligence
personnel and system and made the USA look like idiots. He did not fulfill his
This is just not a Benghazi issue. It is the same type of issue at many and
most United States of America Embassies around the world. There is terrorism
everywhere and not just in terrorist type countries. Russia, China and other
countries have terrorists that don't represent their country that those
countries are fighting on a daily basis. We just don't hear about them.
The United States, ever since 9/11 has been in jeopardy of having the same
issue. We have spent Billions upon Billions of United States of America money,
personnel and efforts to protect United States of America type citizens in our
on country. However, our highest U.S. diplomats overseas don't have that
same type of protection. The President spent $200M a day when he went to India
for his security. Thank goodness or we would have O'Biden for a President
and that would be more than a disaster. Who would he pick as his VP? This is an Obama issue, completely. He was an not a leader. He had
surrogates, Czars and pundits be the leaders and not coordinated in any effort.
Re-Election is all he has thought about forever.
@Truthseeker,The fact of the matter is Obama is responding like a
weakling to terrorism! Why should we have to try and interpret what he meant?
Why didn't he say in plain words from day one: this attack in Libya against
our ambassador was a terrorist attack. Instead he apologizes for an amatuer
cartoon from college idiots!? As president he should defend our unalienable
rights. You know the ones this country was built on. LIFE, liberty and the
pursuit of happiness. Those terrorists infringed on four heroes rights that day
and did it on American soil. They need to pay. They need to know that we wont
apologize for being Americans. A strong president would've responded that
way. It's definitely time for a president with courage.
This is worse for the United States of America than the Watergate or the Clinton
impeachment by the House of Representatives. The incompetence and then coverup
with a video excuse by the President and Mrs. Clinton and Mrs. Rice is a
disgrace for our nation. It lowers our diplomatic relations, if we had any in
this situation. The biggest debacle for our nation is the loss of credibility
with our Intelligence men and women and Agencies in large numbers that are
impacted by this highest level ineptitude. Lack of Integrity at the highest
order for these top leaders of all the Intelligence agencies and the Chief
Executive of the nation and the Commander-in-Chief. This is not like being in
the fields of the Civil War nor the trenches of World War I. We have so many
normal and the highest order of technology that assist our great men and women
who put their lives on the line everyday. The Fast and Furious was
an indication of our failure in foreign relations. The Mexican government
should be furious with us that we provided high powered weapons that could be
used AGAINST Mexicans and their government by people we empowered.
Non-believer, what now.you are confusing cause and effect.Sure
the attacks of 9/11/01 occured while bush was president, but they are the result
of slick willy's gross malfeasance. slick had at least three opportunities
to take out OBL, but he was otherwise occupied trying to cover-up his own
scandals. Had slick actually done his job, 9/11 would not have happened.And no one is holding him accountable for the attacks on the USS
Cole,and two US embassies in Africa.
It is amazing how much the left will believe. Yea, Mr. Obama, a total fool, did
say, "an act of terror", the day after. What he is refering to could
have been the fact 9/11 anniversary had just taken place or it could have been
the Libya attack. It really depends on who wants to take a shot at the speach.
Fact is that for weeks Mr Obama and his administration called it a protest gone
wrong. Fact that it was blamed on a video in Egypt and Libya. Fact a video that
MOST Americans had not even heard of until the so called protests took place.
Fact that the Ambassador had no US military protection. Fact that Mr Obama
relied on local security.Fact these attacks on American
Embassy's are acts of WAR. You want a President who panders to our
enemies, who basically has contempt for the US Constitution, who caresless for
American idealogy, then by all means vote for a fool. As for me I will vote for
someone that will have the courage to say what it is and do what is right.
This AP article is far too easy on Obama. For instance, the following
statement: "Republicans have offered no explanation for why the president
would want to conceal the nature of the attack." It is now self-evident, if
not from the start, that the Obama administration used the video claim in an
attempt to cover up two truths: (1) Obama's administration totally
ignored over a period of months numerous desperate and meritorious requests for
added security in Benghazi, which ignoring resulted in the deaths of 4
Americans;(2) terrorists were not "on their heels" as a result of
Obama's foreign policy, but rather his ineptness in foreign policy was a
major factor in the proliferation of terrorist groups throughout the Middle
BIGGEST disappoinment of this election is the willingness of a candidate for the
Presidency of the United States of America to sit in the same chair as SNOOKI
and explain US Foreign Policy, The Economy, or any other topic. How on earth
did Comedy Central, The View, Letterman or Leno get to this point?
What I don't get is why isn't congress impeaching this fake president?
He has committed more than his share of crimes breaking laws of treasonous acts
and killing people just for the fun of it than any man on death row has done and
yet no one cares? It's the president rights to arrest, kill, and murder at
will?Impeachment is too good for Obama and hoping and waiting for
this man to walk away and escape justice is too much to comprehend and overlook.
Obama arrests a man for his freedom of speech and gets away with breaking the
laws yet no one is making this man accountable for his terrorism on america and
the American people.Obama should not be absolved of his crime
because of his race. This man has grossly abused his powers and put asunder the
many years of peace and prosperity in the world for personal financial gain and
we joke about his contempt and lies for american law? We don't
deserve to be a free people anymore, and we aren't.
From the NY Times "Benghazi story: Why private security wasn't
around.""For the State Department, the security situation in
Libya came down in part to the question of whether it was a war zone or just
another African outpost."I would recommend this article to those
interested in this topic, as it provides a picture of some of the security
issues in Benghazi.DN obviously is just going to print stories about
the politics of it and not try to inform or educate readers.
Our own Jason Chaffetz and others have discovered that the ambassador himself
had written numerous reports to Washington concerning the increase in terrorist
activity and pleaded for extra security. Now we find out that the
White House has known that militants were involved and this was NOT a
protest. I'm a Republican but I never thought Obama would sink
this low. This is shameful.
This is an insane situation! Obama has a lot of explaining to do! I am no
conspirator. But there are things that scare me about him. This is a huge
"bump in the road."
This whole debate is a joke.Pres Obama in Las Vegas, Sept 13:"And we want to send a message all around the world — anybody
who would do us harm: No act of terror will dim the light of the values that we
proudly shine on the rest of the world, and no act of violence will shake the
resolve of the United States of America."In CO, the same day, he
again said "no act of terror will go unpunished" when referring to the
deaths "our fellow Americans."NY Times reporters stated
attackers, recognized as members of a local militant group called Ansar
al-Shariah, did tell bystanders that they were attacking the compound because
they were angry about the video. There is still uncertainty as to
how far in advance planning for the attack took place and many believe it was
planned only hours earlier, taking advantage of the uprisings elsewhere. In
essence, it was connected to the videos and uprisings although there was no
apparent protest in Libya. Add this to the list of Republican witch
hunts. Its just what Republicans do when a Democrat gets elected president.
@mountain man what lie? you all keep making these claims but I have yet to
see one shred of evidence to support your claims.
@worf The highest unemployment has actually ever been was 23.9%.
Another little interesting fact is that the unemployment rates was above 10% for
ten straight months in 1982 and 1983, Do you know how was president at the time?
the number of people on welfare is actually about 10% of the
population not nearly halfapproximately 48% of children receive
reduced or free lunch not two thirds. when you cannot even get basic
facts straight after the same errors have been pointed out to you time and again
we have to ask who's defense of their position is "amazingly" poor.
Either they covered it up or they are extraordinarily incompetent. There is no
reason to keep the Obama administration for another term. This is ridiculous.
To SS:Yes, after he was caught unprepared on 9/11, after ignoring
repeated warnings from Richard Clark, Mr. Tennant, and others, Bush declared war
9 days later, and never managed to do anything useful in Afghanistan. He let
Osama get away at Tora Bora. Then he declared war on a nation that was
completely uninvolved (Iraq), under false pretenses (WMD).I would
MUCH prefer it if my commander in chief took his time, got his facts straight,
and then took care of the problem in the most efficient way possible. That does
NOT mean spending trillions on one war that was totally unnecessary and another
that was prosecuted very poorly.If you want to compare Obama's
performance on this one with Bush's performance, be my guest. I'll
take President Obama any day!
@ What now. I am pretty sure if GWB got a call(cable from the CIA) that the
embassy was about to be overun, he would have done something, anything to save
their lives instead of ignoring it then lying about it.
Most of the above comments are against blaming our government for a
coverup...even though I knew it was a terrorist attack before the White House
supposedly did. That's an attempted cover-up for sure. Of course the
Pres. would like not to have this huge mistake come up now, right before the
election. Its just incredible that anyone would side with Pres. Obama not
owning up until 14 days after the tragedy.
For everyone who is comparing this to 9/11 to make Republicans/George Bush look
bad, look at the facts.Bush may have been told that there was an
impending attack, but he was not told where or how.Obama was told EXACTLY
where he needed to send more defense, but still didn't.Bush
declared war 9 days after the attacks on the World Trade Centers.It took
14 days for Obama to stop blaming the attacks in Libya on a YOUTUBE video.He may have mentioned the word terror once the day after, but then didn't
refer to it for another TWO WEEKS.Now, we are seeing that the CIA
had given Washington information the day after that it was an attack by
militants, but for the next 12 days Obama calls it a protest that got out of
hand over a youtube video and you Democrats don't think that is
important?I see that it is very important news. Just because it
makes your boy look bad doesn't mean it's not news.And
saying that we are beating a dead horse is very disrespectful to those who died,
and their families.
Yes, we should harp on:* four killed Americans in Libya* men,
women, and children being killed by Mexican cartels using over two and a half
thousand American weapons which passed through ATF.* the theft of GM.* record high use of food stamps, and unemployment.* having half our
people on welfare, and two thirds of our school children on reduced, or free
lunch.Amazing how some people will defend the commander. Low
expectations, or a desire for socialism? Go figure!
Obama has already made his position clear...sort of.He claimed at the last
debate that he KNEW the attack was by terrorists. Right? That's what he
wanted us all to believe.So if that was the case, all the dancing around
the issue for two weeks what what? A campaign stunt?He's going to
have to own up to his behavior one way or another. There is no voting
"present" on this one, Mr. President.
All right-wing folks.Please bring verifiable documentation of your
daily prosecution and moral outrage of everything Bush did, did not do, knew,
did not know, acted, failed to act, regarding 9/11 when nearly 3000 Americans
were murdered on American soil while a Republican sat in The White House.Until you bring, at least, that documentation, your daily headlong rush
to partisan judgement is simply that and nothing more.Thank you.
what cover up, what scandal? Obama called it an act of terror the day after it
happened. Its desperation time with the right, we will see if it works out any
better for them this time then four years ago.
To MountainmanYou see this as an intentional coverup, I see it as an
investigation with people now in custody and an full accounting of events still
moving forward. On April 10, 2004, the Bush White House declassified
that daily brief — and only that daily brief —in response to
pressure from the 9/11 Commission, which was investigating the events leading to
the attack. Administration officials dismissed the document’s
significance, saying that, despite the jaw-dropping headline, it was only an
assessment of Al Qaeda’s history, not a warning of the impending attack.
While some critics considered that claim absurd, a close reading of the brief
showed that the argument had validity.
They've only got this one dead horse to keep trying to keep in the race.
You'd think they had a binder full of them.
To Rifleman Our ambassador was tortured, raped, murdered and then
dragged through the streets.Then why is there a video of good
samaritans finding him in the back room of the embassy, still alive and rushing
him to the hospital? This is very well documented, you should look it up! Fear
mongering only works on the weak minded!
@ non believer. And the cover up of 9/11 was what?
To MountainmanThis did happen while a Repulican was in the White
House. It's called 9/11 and there were lots of warning signs! Except 3000
American's were killed, not just 4!
So do we need to start harping on George W Bush and Condoleezza Rice for all of
the missed warnings on 9/11? The fact that they allowed over 3000 civilians to
be killed on American soil? In a way I do hope Romney is elected just for the
" I told you so" moments! Romney's foreign policy stratagist is Dan
Senor, who was a Bush advisor at the beginning of the Iraq war! Remember they
are going to welcome us with open arms! So Romney is already handicapped with
bad policy and will certainly get more American's killed.
If the GOP doesn't hold the White House accountable for this gross
malfeasance and coverup attempt, who will? Certainly not themselves nor the
media. Imagine the left's 10 alarm hissy fit if this had happened with a
Republican in the White House!
Re: Republicantthinkstraigh Anywhere but, Utah, Utah"Give it up
already... I feel sorry we lost those great Americans but to continually make it
about politics is frankly appalling and disgusting."These men
asked for security but it was denied because it wouldn't look good
politically. Our ambassador was tortured, raped, murdered and then dragged
through the streets. Thereafter Obama tried to blame the attack on an
anti-Muslim video when he knew better. Hillary Clinton then fell on her sword
for Obama.No, we aren't about to give it up.
Republicantthinkstraigh - I second your comments. Can you image if this kind
of stuff went on about other crimes, in SLC or Provo. A day, a week or even a
month later, the opposition accusing the Mayor of covering up a crime, before
even the police investigation is complete, accusing the mayor or governor of
having a failed policy on crime. For example, where were the
partisan cries about the Susan Powell murder, or the later murder of her
children. Everyone knew those kids were at risk. Where was the call for the
Governor Hubert's accountability, or the Governor of Washington - who ever
that is. We didn't hear anything, because everyone knew it would be
tasteless to politicize those events.But the Lybia event, before the
mens bodies were even returned to the state, cries of incompetence and cover up
were being raised, before the FBI had even had a chance to investigate.
Partisanship has reached now lows.
republicanthinkstraight.Yeah, use silk and velvet for your coverups.
Keep it classy.
Give it up already... I feel sorry we lost those great Americans but to
continually make it about politics is frankly appalling and disgusting. For the
DNEWS to keep posting stories of this tragic event in order to score political
points for Romney is a shame. Stay classy DNEWS.