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Published: Monday, Oct. 15 2012 9:33 a.m. MDT

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BigBenzo88
Herriman, UT

@UtahBruin - Herriman is #1 seed, Olympus is #2 seed, Skyline is #3 seed and Westlake is #4 seed.

justaroundthecorner
DRAPER, UT

How does Stansbury (Undefeated), Juan Diego (Undefeated), and Hurricane with one loss all end up in the same lower bracket?

ABITOUTSIDE
Central, UT

Where is Juab? Good thing you have Carbon, you should be able to run the score up and prove your dominance once again.

2020
Herriman, UT

I've heard that East my have to forfeit all of their games, except the last one because of the eligibility issues. I'm in Herriman, and if that happens, it's a bunch of garbage. East would play Cyprus in a play-in game, win, win the play-in game with Region VIII, and Herriman would play them in the first round. Winning a region championship (and a fortunate flip of the coin in this case) is supposed to "reward" you by playing the lowest seed to make the playoffs from the region that you crossover with.

I hope region VI and the UHSAA doesn't punish Herriman, by punishing East in that regard. Especially because it doesn't seem as if East was cheating to get a competetive advantage. Look at Juan Diego and Snow Canyon in baseball last year. That is exactly what happened to them. Juan Diego got stuck playing Snow Canyon in the first round because of this very scenario. Snow Canyon won and JD had to go through the losers bracket to get another shot at them in the state finals. It may have ended differently if JD hadn't gotten the shaft.

footballisgood
Holladay, UT

2020, you are wrong, because if East vacates all but Highland, that means that Cyprus would gain another region win, and that would then give them two region wins as opposed to East's one, which would put Cyprus in free and clear

Bear
Somewhere, UT

Beaver/Gunnison - I agree with Boys of Fall, Beaver has progressed beyond Gunnison. Beaver 34 Gunnison 6
Millard/S. Sevier - Sorry JD Books but the Rams will not be hoisting any gold trophies for football, but there is always basketball. Millard 42 S. Sevier 13
Emery/Kanab - Coach Jones will get a home coming game at San Juan. Emery 31 Kanab 19
Richfield/N.Summit - I will have to give Richfield the home field (ref) advantage on this one. Richfield 27 N. Summit 20
Best of luck to all the teams and leave it all on the field. No regrets!

Publius19
Provo, UT

@ Bear

You must never have seen Richfield play, they are probably the most penalized team in the state, even at home. Also most the refs from the central area are from Salina and have a strong bias against Richfield. I guess at least it was not a whine they will win because they are bigger.

oldtimeftballer
Salt Lake City, UT

Re:20/20

Haha. I forgot Herriman just wants to go far and feel good about it.

What does it matter if you play East first, second or Championship? You still have to play and beat them.

Big Deal. Unless you want some sort of moral victory which sounds like it comes from a fan of a program that has never won anything.....

2020
Herriman, UT

@oldtimeftballer: It's common sense to want to play what may well be the best team in the state as deep in the playoffs as possible. I don't want East out, I just want them where they belong, in 1st place. That whole region is excellent and there are no guarantees that Herriman gets out of the 1st round against Bountiful, Woods Cross or Highland. Our program is only in its 3rd year, so ya, we haven't won anything. We were the 1st 5A team to make the playoffs in their 1st year. You would have to know something about Herriman before you could forget something about Herriman. It seems you're either just trying to pick a fight, or ignorant.

@footballisgood: Thanks for pointing that out. Its a relief. But I would feel bad for those kids if that happened to East.

G Felt
Salt Lake City, UT

RE: Coin flips - eagle covered that very well. A few years ago, the coin flip winner did get third and the other two played off for fourth. But that changed for the reasons eagle cited. It's an automatic berth, but a lower seed, without no region playoff game vs. a higher seed, but an extra game.

RE: Region 8 #5 vs 6 #4 play-in game. Bulldog72 covered that. According to the 2013 realignment guidelines, each region within a classification shall qualify the same number of teams or individuals for post season, regardless of region size. So that would get rid of that silly play-in game. Let's hope the UHSAA sticks to that.

One goal of the two-year realignment process is to make every region within a classification the same size and have the same number of teams qualify. Originally, 4A regions were the same size, but the Utah County schools wanted to stay together and not have to travel to Salt Lake. So Region 8 grew to eight schools. There was discussion that only four teams should qualify, but the Executive Committee which oversees the bracketing process decided to allow a fifth team.

BigBenzo88
Herriman, UT

@oldtimeftballer - Where are coming up with this??? Who ever said that Herriman only wanted to go far and feel good about it??? Herriman is out to get that 4A Championship Ring!!! As it stands now...all roads go through East. Herriman will play East at home or away...Herriman will play East in the 1st round or the Championship game!!!

Herriman has #1 scoring offense in the state and the #21 scoring defense in the state. Your comment about a "program that has never won anything" is ignorant. The school is only in its 3rd year. Herriman did in its 1st year what no school in Utah 5A history has ever done...go to the playoffs!!! Last year we won our 1st playoff game and this year we won our 1st Region Title and earned our 1st #1 seed. Not bad for 3 years!!!

I'm not sure what team you represent...but if you have a team...then use this forum to uplift them and don't worry about Herriman...they will be fine!!!

@footballisgood - that's good info. I hope East plays....because I think Herriman can compete with them!!!

G Felt
Salt Lake City, UT

RE: East and Region 6.

I have no idea what will happen in Tuesday's hearing with East using ineligible players, but if East has to forfeit four region wins, then Woods Cross is 1st (4-1 with Bountiful but won the head to head), Bountiful is 2nd (4-1), Highland 3rd (3-2 - that OT loss to the Braves would cost the Rams top seed - ouch) and Cyprus 4th (2-3). East would drop to 1-4, tied with Clearfield and out of the playoffs.

No coin flip needed.

yankees27
Heber, Utah

justaroundthecorner- um, read the bracket. How they ended up there is because there are 2 #1 seeds, winners from region 10 and 11 (JD and Stansbury) and Hurricane is a #2 from R9. The other side of the bracket will have R9 and R12 #1's DH and Spanish. Overall records count for nothing, it's the region wins/losses that determine your seed in the playoffs. This is the way it's done and has been done for quite awhile. Some years it seems unfair to some, but it is what it is.

JD and Hurricane quarterfinals game would be awesome right?

oldtimeftballer
Salt Lake City, UT

Beeno...where did I come up with the statement? Read 20/20's comment.

I just would want 20/20 coaching my kids at Heriman if all he wanted to do is dodge teams. You have to go thru East anyway...if it were me I would want to play them at home instead of at a neutral site. Just thought his tail between his legs whining about playing East was funny.

I would take the Skyline head coaches approach. We know our fate from the coin flip, now let's go play. We have to play stiff competition home or on road so bring it on. That's the attitude to have....

JD Books
Sulphurdale, UT

I wouldn't normally comment but I think people need to remember that Millard is down this year. Sure, the rams have been up and down but these seniors have a lot of pride and a coach who is used to winning. It's not hoops yet, the gold trophy is still up for grabs in 2A football!

Bear
Somewhere, UT

@ JD Books,

I don't think you could say that Millard is too far down this year. They lost to South Summit and Manti two the of top four in 2A. The trophy is still up for grabs but South Sevier will need some really long arms to reach it. I would not put South Sevier on the level of Manti or South Summit, they are more on the level of ALA, N. Sevier and Gunnison that Millard beat by a combined 145-23. After Thursday it will be time for Race and the boys to defend their championship.

JD Books
Sulphurdale, UT

Bear..You need to look at the facts. SS Rams have beaten No. Sevier and Gunnison multiple times over the last few years. This is a great senior class and I think the Millard will be in for a big surprise. As far as hoops goes, SS could compete favorably in 5A.

eagle
Provo, UT

Yes, yankees 27, you are right these balances occur all the time. Thankfully, wrestling has done some things to balance the brackets but this isn't possible per se in team sports as constituted. The other thing I could suggest that would be easily doable is that the region champs be ranked 1-4. Past that it is a mess and not needed (to rank all 16 teams). Once the region champs are ranked use a formula or bracket that would indicate these rankings. Again, pretty easy and doable and fair.

ABITOUTSIDE
Central, UT

JD I hope you are not banking on Millard being down, they are better than last years team. Millard will win by 30 plus on Friday. SS has been worked all year against the middle of the pack 2A teams, and against the better teams in the 2A south they have been beat by 4-5 touchdowns. Millard is really good and will make it to Cedar.

Boys of Fall
Fillmore, UT

ABITOUTSIDE - I don't know about being better than last years team, but these boys have really pulled together through some adversity at the start of the season. Good group of kids. Had a pretty good game against a good (but in my opinion, not as good as last years) Manti team. If they could have limited their turnovers the 1st half the game might have been a little closer. I think if they play to their potential they can be competitive with anyone in 2A, but there are a few really good team out there that could take it. My prediction to make it to SUU though are Manti/Millard and SJ/S.Summit.
Then the ?'s will be:
1) Will Millard finally be able to get then Templar monkey off their back or will Manti dominate Millard in the playoffs again.
2) Will S. Summit finally be able to get the Bronco monkey off their back or will SJ continue to bring out the worst in the Wildcats.

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