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Letter: Joe Biden was rude during vice presidential debate

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  • Rifleman Salt Lake City, Utah
    Oct. 17, 2012 11:07 a.m.

    Rude may, or may not, work in a debate but it won't win the hearts of undecided voters on November 6th. Meantime our nation drifts like a ship without a rudder while Obama is on a prolonged leave of absence from the White House.

  • Winglish Lehi, UT
    Oct. 14, 2012 6:30 p.m.

    I am neither lefty nor tea drinker. It felt very obvious to me that Joe Biden won the debate. Congressman Ryan's persistent refusal to answer the questions was frustrating to say the least. I truly wanted to hear his positions, but he just kept reverting to right wing talking points without addressing the question at all. It seemed to me like Ryan was actually hiding his answers because he was afraid to turn off voters. That is definitely not a winning strategy with swing voters. The party bases have been won. It's time to show that one can relate to moderates.

  • Linus Bountiful, UT
    Oct. 14, 2012 4:45 a.m.

    Where do all you lefties come from. I thought Utah was a red state, but nine out of ten comments come out of left field. You all are so wrong minded. It would be so helpful if you would get a clue. Glen Beck keeps trying to clue you in, and all you do is pull a Bully Biden.

  • J Thompson SPRINGVILLE, UT
    Oct. 13, 2012 5:09 p.m.

    @ one old man,

    Obama had FOUR MINUTES more time than Mitt Romney. Obama failed to play by the rules. Obama cheated. The rules were known before the debate started. Obama ignored the rules. He pretended that he could make up rules "on the fly". All that he proved is that he was not prepared and that he needed a 2nd grader on his staff to tell him to play "nice" and to be fair.

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    Oct. 13, 2012 4:43 p.m.

    Where was this writer when someone named Mitt ignored time limits, talked over and interrupted Jim Leher and President Obama in the first Presidential debate?

    It will be interesting to see if Mitt is rude enough to try that when voters are asking questions next week.

  • Salsero Provo, UT
    Oct. 13, 2012 3:25 p.m.

    Who sends out these directives to the Republican base to write letters to the editor expressing talking points ad nauseum? When an issue reaches the pages of the newspapers or hits the airwaves, there suddenly appears this mass of responses repeating talking points like these people don't have an opinion of their own. And when you read or hear them, they all sound exactly the same.

    Granted, this comes out from both sides of the political world, but conservatives are much more disciplined and its minions are much more prone to take up the banner and wave it wildly in the eyes so everyone can see. The whole "Biden is disrespecful" charade has the taint of being manipulated from some central source.

    The Republican noise machine is, if nothing else, efficient. Last week it was "Romney is great!" and "Obama failed!" This week it is "Biden has no manners!" We can easily anticipate the deluge of letters coming to the DesNews once a news story breaks. This is also understandable when you recognize that the DesNews advocates a very conservative position on its editorial page. Something like a mini-WSJ or Fox News.

  • Blue Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 13, 2012 11:52 a.m.

    PeanutGallery: "It almost appeared that she had decided beforehand that she couldn't let Ryan score any points against Biden."

    No, what you think is "disrespect" is in fact a moderator doing her job. When a question was asked of Ryan and Ryan's response was evasive, she challenged him on it.

    You've been listening to too much FOX. You're used to seeing and hearing right wing politicians being interviewed by fawning sycophants. When Romney/Ryan say something demonstrably untrue, they just nod, smile, and let it go.

    This is Sarah Palin all over again. When intelligent questions reveal your VP candidate to be spectacularly unfit for the job, instead of processing that information and acting accordingly, you lash out at the question that made your candidate look bad.

    You're trying to preserve your beliefs in the face of evidence that those beliefs are without merit.

  • Mister J SLC, UT
    Oct. 13, 2012 11:37 a.m.

    re: Mike Richards

    "Joe Biden proved that he is not a statesman ... He proved that he is a clown who laughs and smirks, who interrupts - 81 times, who bullies and blusters."

    Something Like... **The bombing begins in 5 minutes **Russia has been outlawed **There you go again

    re: Shaun

    Agreed. What is in that Red Kool aid?

    Behavior of the GOP apologists behavior is mot entertaining/amusing. I'll *almost* be sorry when the election is over

  • ugottabkidn Sandy, UT
    Oct. 13, 2012 11:35 a.m.

    Sometimes you need to be agressive to nail down moving targets. Many of these targets have fluctuated from hour to hour. When you have campaign staffs correcting the candidate 2 hours after they speak and on multiple occasions don't you want to know exactly what his position is? It's time people worry less about style and more about substance but I haven't seen that the past 2 weeks.

  • Ernest T. Bass Bountiful, UT
    Oct. 13, 2012 11:04 a.m.

    In US politics, NOTHING is as rude as the right wing talking heads, Hannity, Limbaugh and Beck. It all begins with the right wing in the media.

  • Blue Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 13, 2012 10:32 a.m.

    Mike Richards: "Joe Biden showed us exactly how the Obama administration handles important matters - they laugh and joke and pretend that those things don't matter."

    No, Mike, Biden wasn't laughing at the important matters, he was laughing at the ridiculous lies told by Mr. Ryan and by the Republican ticket's willful ignorance of reality. President Obama should have, but didn't, give the same treatment to Governor Romney during their first debate.

    You have been living too long inside of the right wing echo chamber. You think Ryan is an intellectual. He is far from it. Paul Ryan is in fact merely what many Republicans think an intellectual is supposed to sound like.

  • PeanutGallery Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 13, 2012 10:30 a.m.

    Great letter, but you're too kind to the "lovely lady narrator." She had her OWN share of interrupting Paul Ryan. She repeatedly cut him off and moved on to new topics just as Ryan was starting to set the record straight in response to Biden's outbursts.

    It almost appeared that she had decided beforehand that she couldn't let Ryan score any points against Biden. Yes, Biden was disrespectful, but so was she.

  • Furry1993 Ogden, UT
    Oct. 13, 2012 10:25 a.m.

    To William Gronberg 8:52 a.m. Oct. 13, 2012

    "Biden was the most rude, crude person I have ever seen on TV."

    Ethel, the Biden/Ryan debate must have been your very first experience of viewing TV in the United States of America. Talk about being out of the loop.

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    Agreed. It's clear from her comment that she missed Romney's behvior from the week before. Not only was Romney not honest and truthful in his dealings during that debate, he acted like an arrogant schoolyard bully. Biden laughed at (and heaped ridicule and scorn on the absolutely false, ridiculous, luicrous comments Ryan made, and then schooled Ryan as to the truth of the issues. Romney acted like a CEO in a board meeting where the only thing the others in the eeting could say is "yes, sir" and then tried to ride roughshod over anyone who dared to speak against his positions (including bullying the moderator at the debate). Romney proved by his actions that he would not well represent the United States and was not fit to be president. His conduct was FAR wose than anything Biden did.

  • Shaun Sandy, UT
    Oct. 13, 2012 9:18 a.m.

    Or maybe Biden was calling Ryan out and Romney/Ryan supporters can't handle someone not being totally in love with their candidates.

  • William Gronberg Payson, UT
    Oct. 13, 2012 8:52 a.m.

    "Biden was the most rude, crude person I have ever seen on TV."

    Ethel, the Biden/Ryan debate must have been your very first experience of viewing TV in the United States of America. Talk about being out of the loop.

  • The Real Maverick Orem, UT
    Oct. 13, 2012 8:51 a.m.

    I know Ethel! Rush Limbaugh is the worst! Rude, sneering, and talking rude to and about women! Horrible!

  • The Real Maverick Orem, UT
    Oct. 13, 2012 8:46 a.m.

    Is the right going to whine every time they lose a debate?

    Perhaps I already know the answer to this question. They've been whining incessantly since the last election.

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    Oct. 13, 2012 8:26 a.m.

    Ethel, if Joe is the rudest, most boorish person you've seen on tv you've missed Oreilly yelling 'shut up' any anyone he disagrees with, or the absolute insane behaviour of glenn beck. I'm thinking Joe had to smirk because that's probably the most polite way he could react to being fed such nonsense. I'd bet without the shackles of publicity, Joe would have responded differently, and wiped the floor with Ryan.

  • Mike Richards South Jordan, Utah
    Oct. 13, 2012 8:23 a.m.

    Joe Biden showed us exactly how the Obama administration handles important matters - they laugh and joke and pretend that those things don't matter.

    Joe Biden proved that he is not a statesman. He proved that he is not presidential. He proved that he is a clown who laughs and smirks, who interrupts - 81 times, who bullies and blusters.

    Do YOU want Biden to be President? He's only a heart-beat away from that job. Do you want him treating world leaders like he treated Ryan? Do you want him laughing at Iran when they show the world that they have finally made an atomic bomb?

    I have never seen a "leader" melt down like Biden did - in front of 60 million viewers. He needs help - desperately.

  • Curmudgeon Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 13, 2012 5:54 a.m.

    The natural tendency when hearing something ludicrous is to laugh, smile, grimace, or gesture. That's what Joe Biden did when he heard the ludicrous arguments made by Paul Ryan. He could have been more restrained, but then he would have not been his true self. I appreciate his authenticity, if not his style, but more importantly, I appreciate his obvious concern for the middle class and the future of this country, as well as his defense of the Obama administration against the misleading attacks from Paul Ryan. The critics of Joe Biden's performance cannot rebut his stronger arguments, so they attack his style. I prefer substance over style.

  • KJB1 Eugene, OR
    Oct. 13, 2012 3:34 a.m.

    And I'm sure that Ethel wrote a letter to the paper when Mitt Romney smirked, talked over Jim Lehrer, and then told him to his face that he wanted to "fire" him.

    As usual, conservatives can dish it out, but they just can't take it. Consistent as always.

  • RAB Bountiful, UT
    Oct. 13, 2012 1:46 a.m.

    The strategy is obvious. Biden is purposely sacrificing himself. He HAS to be the bad guy because Obama cannot be the bad guy. Most people voting for Obama are suckered in by his likability. He cannot afford to risk looking mean. But they anger other supporters when they do not attack Romney. So, Biden has been assigned the job to be the mean guy.