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Published: Saturday, Oct. 13 2012 12:00 a.m. MDT

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Mad Hatter
Provo, UT

It is very doubtful the letter writer really had anything positive to say about Joe Biden. Biden is part of the Obama administration, and to the wingnut fringe, Biden is as hated as is Obama. This is more the work of a troll trying to initially appear supportive and then launching into a diatribe to achieve his real agenda.

People who liked Biden before the debate, liked him throughout the debate. Yes, it's partisan and it suggests they wanted Biden to run all over Paul Ryan, but they liked it and didn't find his actions a negative. Ryan's people, including the letter writer, were disappointed in his performance and find themselves looking for something to criticize. For them, Biden's performance style was the only thing they could find.

David Frum of the Daily Beast said that listening to the debate on the radio was very different from watching the video. The actual television broadcast, he wrote, clearly showed Biden dominating and to good effect. The only people (and I mean only people) who were not pleased with Biden's performance were Ryan people. That, apparently, includes the letter writer.

The Real Maverick
Orem, UT

Alan, stop trying to act like anything was going to change your mind. On just Sept 7, on month ago, you wrote a letter which was published by this paper. It was an anti-Obama rant which ended saying,

"Just like "the dog ate my homework," all the excuses in the world will not change the fact that Obama has failed and offers no new solutions. In the words of my wise mother, "You can't make a silk purse out of a pig's ear.""

So please, stop acting like you came into the VP debate unbiased and open. You've had your mind made up for months and years. No matter what Biden did this week wasn't going to change you mind. If anything, you're finding reasons to support you own bias.

Biden was wonderful. Someone needed to plaster Ryan for his lies and stupid plans. And the polls indicate this too. Obama is back in business as Biden clearly beat down Ryan in the debate. A good debate from Obama will put the Romney campaign on the run! Can't wait!

KJB1
Eugene, OR

Biden was laughing about what Ryan was saying, not the circumstances they were discussing. What is so hard to understand about that?

"Rude and arrogant." That's what Republicans usually say about Democrats who take the initiative and actually fight back.

Curmudgeon
Salt Lake City, UT

The natural tendency when hearing something ludicrous is to laugh, smile, grimace, or gesture. That's what Joe Biden did when he heard the ludicrous arguments made by Paul Ryan. He could have been more restrained, but then he would have not been his true self. I appreciate his authenticity, if not his style, but more importantly, I appreciate his obvious concern for the middle class and the future of this country, as well as his defense of the Obama administration against the misleading attacks from Paul Ryan. The critics of Joe Biden's performance cannot rebut his stronger arguments, so they attack his style. I prefer substance over style.

Blue
Salt Lake City, UT

I don't for one minute believe that you "changed your mind" about Vice President Biden. Your letter makes it clear you are a standard-issue Republican and you just didn't like the fact that in the debate Thursday Mr. Ryan revealed himself to be ignorant, doctrinaire, a hypocrite, a serial liar, and woefully unsuited for the office he seeks.

Joe Biden's behavior was simply that of a mature adult dealing firmly with a lying adolescent, and trying to polite about it on television.

You simply cannot lower taxes, increase military spending, and balance the budget without destroying what remains of the middle class.

You cannot claim to offer a cogent, practical foreign policy when you are so tragically ignorant of the real world around you.

Ryan deserved his humiliation.

lost in DC
West Jordan, UT

Hatter,
daily beast? yep, PURELY objective there, correct?

Curmudgeon,
What I saw of biden's comments were no more nor less than what I've seen of BO's campaign ads; lies and distortions of their opponents. That his style was buffoonish only confirms he is unfit.

Blue,
I don't for one minute believe that anything could cause you to changed your mind about Biden or BO. Your comment makes it clear you are a standard-issue Dem and you just didn't like the fact that in the debate Thursday Biden revealed himself to be ignorant, doctrinaire, a hypocrite, a serial liar, and woefully unsuited for the office he holds.

Ryan's behavior was simply that of a mature adult dealing firmly with a lying low-life, and trying to be polite about it on television.

lowering middle class taxes would destroy them? REALLY?

the events of 9/11/12 and the denials from the WH, along with Iran's nuclear buildup show there is currently in place no cogent, practical foreign policy and biden and BO are more than worthy of the scorn heaped upon them.

Mike Richards
South Jordan, Utah

New York Daily News: "He did a disservice by extending his bluster into real-time issues of security and international relations."

Chris Wallace: ""I don't believe I've ever seen a debate in which one participant was as openly disrespectful of the other as Biden was to Paul Ryan tonight,"

US News: "Biden's constant interruptions, smirks, and eye-rolling grimaces backfired on a number of levels."

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Mr. Biden's "performance" proves that we don't want a clown just one heart-beat away from the Presidency.

Hutterite
American Fork, UT

Joe was doing his best to not call Ryan out and phrase his responses the way he really wanted to. He doesn't think these serious issues are funny. Apparently, however, you believe he does. I guess the democrats have lost another Utah voter.

Joan Watson
TWIN FALLS, ID

bottom line for many viewers -Biden's performance was a vociferous act - without reality check.

embarrassed Utahn!
Salt Lake City, UT

I just hope all the Super-Patriots that Utah is so famous for will continue to show what ultimate-patriots they are by showing respect for the President and respect for the will of the American people!

It will be a great 4 more years with our amazing President Obama at the helm, I hope people won't be sore-losing poor-sport know-it-alls!

Fitness Freak
Salt Lake City, UT

The lamestream media have, until the debates, done a great job of never questioning or probing anything this administration has done.

The debates (watched by 60 million)let America see how/what the candidates are all about.

I suspect the Obama administration wished they NEVER would have agreed to debates. In terms of election tactics, they have lost a lot of voters now that the lamestream media can't cover for them.

Moderate
Salt Lake City, UT

lost in DC laments "the events of 9/11/12 and the denials from the WH, along with Iran's nuclear buildup show there is currently in place no cogent, practical foreign policy and biden and BO are more than worthy of the scorn heaped upon them."

Are all the facts out on Libya 9/11? My understanding is that is still being investigated. Perhaps you feel that investigation is not necessary because Fox News already knows it all.

I have heard Romney criticize Libya 9/11 because it excites his base. What I have NOT heard is what Romney would have done differently. Can you elighten us? Keep in mind, our own Jason Chaffetz smugly said on television, that yes he voted to reduce security funds for the state department. So again, what would Romney do differently while his own party reduces security funding?

Bebyebe
UUU, UT

Biden was doing what VP's are expected to do during the elections. They are the aggressive part of the two, the 'attack dog'. The top of the ticket can then be the populist part.

It's not Biden's fault that Ryan wasn't up to the task.

Blue
Salt Lake City, UT

Lost in DC, there are lots of things that could cause me to change my mind about the election.

If my candidate were a shameless flip-flopper, claiming to be "severely" of one political ideology one week and then the next week saying the exact opposite, that candidate would lose my vote.

If my candidate belligerently hid his tax returns, while demanding that those around him share theirs, that candidate would lose my vote.

If my candidate made the completely ludicrous claim that by significantly lowering tax revenues and significantly raising defense spending he would still be able to balance the budget _without_ destroying public programs that are vital to the middle class, that candidate would lose my vote.

My question to you is, what will it take for you to demand that Romney/Ryan address the complete disconnect from reality that is represented by their plans for taxes and spending?

Do you really believe, as Mr. Romney says he believes, that 47% of the population are moochers with no sense of responsibility for their own lives? Why doesn't that offend you?

Ernest T. Bass
Bountiful, UT

Even though Romney/Ryan simply cannot tell the truth, as their plan would fail us all, they are really good guys. Biden, who is more realistic, is clearly the bad guy.

lost in DC
West Jordan, UT

Moderate,
the streets were normal just before the attack. THAT does not support the administraton's lie that it was a spontaneous riot in response to a video - a video that had been out for 3 months. Even the state departent disputes BO's lie.

Blue,
shameless flipflopper? let's look at BO's constanty shifting positions and outright lies

doesn't support gay marriage, supports gay marriage
no lobbyists in his administration
cut family health care costs by $2500/year
keep unemployment under 8%
Obamacare's not a tax
bush borrowing $4 trillion in 8 years from China's irresponsible, but BO borrowing $6 trillion from China in 3.5 is OK
close GITMO, leave GITMO open
prosecute 9/11 masterminds in civilian court, or leave them in GITMO
put all legislation on-line for 48 hours so the public can see it or pass Obamacare in the middle of the night on a shady procedural vote
lying about your opponent

which candidate is trying to significantly lower tax REVENUES? there is a difference between rates and revenues, as reagan showed in the 1980s. you listen too much to BO's lies.

post your own tax returns on line.

Eric Samuelsen
Provo, UT

Look, Democrats loved Biden's performance, and thought he won easily, and Republicans thought Ryan did great, and that Biden was rude/buffoonish. Polls show it more or less 50-50, except the only place it matters, undecided voters. And they overwhelmingly thought Biden won. So Biden won.

J Thompson
SPRINGVILLE, UT

Courtesy and respect are in short supply when liberals have a national audience. They seem to think that well-mannered people will excuse their excesses, that well-mannered people will turn their heads when ill-mannered people can grab the microphone.

Just the opposite is true. Well-mannered people hold ill-mannered people in contempt. Joe Biden is an ill-manner person. He pretended that no rules existed in the "debate". He pretended that it was his right to interrupt 81 times. He pretended that somehow he was in charge.

He was wrong.

America saw that he was wrong. Pundits from both sides saw that he was wrong. In short, he was a "bore". He was a "bully". He was anything except "presidential".

Many democrats cheer him on. Many tell us that he did what was expected. What does that tell us about "their" character? What does that tell us about the Democrat Party?

Does the "ends" justify the "means"? Ever?

Mad Hatter
Provo, UT

lost in DC West Jordan, UT

"Hatter,
daily beast? yep, PURELY objective there, correct?"

David Frum. Former G.W. Bush speechwriter. Former fellow at the American Enterprise Institute.

Should I dismiss Peggy Noonan because she writes columns for the Wall Street Journal and may have a opinion piece in the New York Times or The Daily Beast?

Salsa Libre
Provo, UT

J Thompson SPRINGVILLE, UT

Geez. A "bore"? A "bully".

"Does the "ends" justify the "means"? Ever?"

The leader of the Republican Party is Rush Limbaugh, for heaven's sake. Sean Hannity revels in being a pit bull, albeit of dubious intellect. Glenn Beck speaks to God. Michelle Malkin and Ann Coulter specialize in "slash and burn" commentary.

And then there is Fox News, impartial in commentary as long as that commentary supports the extremist Right.

Don't forget Grover Norquist: "No tax increase. Ever! Attempting to eliminate deductions is a tax increase!" And his request to have a Republican with functional digits so that he can sign whatever is placed before him.

And the Republican base eats it up.

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