Romney was aggressive and strong in the presidential debate, but he didn't
interrupt the president. He did interrupt the moderator when he tried to move
on without giving Romney the opportunity to respond to Obama's point
several times.Biden made strong points, but undermined them by being
disrespectful, rude and childish. He was the older, more experienced
politician, but came off as an arrogant buffoon. His attitude and demeanor may
have appealed to democrats, but I guarantee they did not appeal to independents
and undecided who are looking for greater bi-partisanship in the next
administration.Biden illustrated the very attitude that has caused
the lack of bi-partisanship that we have today. Treating the other side with
such disdain and rudeness does not invite an environment where new ideas can be
expressed or considered.Any young person who has been discounted
simply because they are younger will not appreciate Biden's treatment of
Paul Ryan. Any woman who has dealt with an arrogant demeaning male in the
workplace will not appreciate Biden's behavior in the debate.I
was embarrassed by our vice-president, not proud of him. He was just plain
Romney beat Obama. Biden beat Ryan. My dad's stronger than your dad.
Sheesh. Everyone is so wrapped up in stupid insignificant petty arguments they
don't even realize our country and its Constitution are flowing down the
same toilet of dynasties past. Hades laughs at the American voter in Utah.
Many of the commenters on Deseret News lately are reminding me more and more of
the Tribune. Compared to the posts on other news media articles outside of Utah,
there is more negativity here toward Romney than elsewhere. If you do not
believe me, do as I do and spend time taking the national pulse. Most of you who
hate Romney are out of touch and try to make those here who support him feel we
are out of touch. I believe that many conservatives are being driven
away from commenting because the boards are being taken over by those who refuse
to civilly disagree and resort to name calling and hate. We can be straight
forward and direct but why such divisive disrespect by attacking people instead
@IRS AgentI agree that Romney is talking about 47% of voters he feels he
can't get and agree with the concept that the losing candidate, regardless
of who it is, is probably getting at least around 47%. However... I believe he
was also trying to assert that Obama's 47% are also the 47% that don't
pay income tax, and aren't willing to take personal responsibility for
themselves. So we'll have to agree to disagree on that point.
Mitt just didn't like the fact Ryan was put in his place. Sorry Mitt get
used to it
IRS agent... you need to go back and listen or watch the whole thing.
Unfortunately for Romney, he went into quit a bit of detail on who this 47% was.
I think he was carried away in the moment, but he did detail who he thought
these people were. There wasn't much left to interpretation. And yes, there are more than a few who know how to game the system - those who
pay taxes, and those who do not - it is not something that is not unique to
either side. Under Romney's own proposed tax plan, he would not owe any
federal taxes going forward - if he got his elimination of capital gains
taxes.The good news is we have a system built on checks and
balances, and unless we had a complete collapse of our system, no one party will
ever get all they want. That is good for the rich, and the poor alike.
Re:IRS AgentIf you know of people who are "gaming the
system" or employed and collecting welfare unlawfully why don't you
call the social services office and report them? Isn't that your
profession--catching cheaters? You ought to reread Romney's comments in
context. He characterized 47% of people "who are dependent upon government,
who believe that they are victims, who believe the government has a
responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health
care, to food, to housing, to you-name-it -- that that's an
entitlement.". There is no lipstick that can clean up that pig.
It was/is offensive to many of the 47 percenters.So, now that Romney
is promising not to raise taxes on "middle-incomers" (some of who
probably don't owe income taxes) isn't he just sustaining those that
don't pay their "fair share.". What happened to the idea that
everybody needs to have "skin-in-the-game?"
@alt134,That wasn't my point at all, and while I can't
speak for Romney, I don't think that was his point either. The point is
that comments were taken out of context. There are a certain number of voters
that will vote for Romney regardless of what he says or does. The same is true
for Obama. The point is that regardless of what Romney does, 47% of the people
will vote for Obama. Therefore (his point in the video), that he
needs to focus his time and attention on the other undecided voters. Yes there
are people in this country that are on the dole (many of them 2nd and 3rd
generation welfare professionals). I have spent time in the inner cities of
America, and there are a lot of people out there that know EXACTLY how to game
the system. It is a matter of perspective (look outside of UT). There are others
that are working, and still collecting welfare. They are the ones that
aren't about to rock the boat. They will vote for "hope and
change", even though that is the last thing they want.
@IRS Agent"Romney didn't dismiss 47% of the American people. He
was making a point that he can't worry about trying to change the vote of
the 47%. They aren't going to bite the hand that feeds them
(Obama)."Would this be a good time to note that the state with
the largest percentage of people (since it's not 47% in every state) who
don't pay income tax is Mississippi? In fact Obama only won 2 states in
2008 that are in the top 10 in this category (Florida, North Carolina). Utah is
13th highest in terms of percentage of people not paying income taxes. Now you can say that despite that being the case statistically Obama gets
about 60% of poor voters, the category that obviously is most likely to not pay
income taxes so Obama still would lead in polling among the 47%. However, to
assert that everyone not paying income tax supports Obama is just incredibly
false. Also, to assert that people not paying income tax don't want to take
personal responsibility, is deeply insulting.
@ImaUteFanOkay, now I'm an Obama supporter. I'm also a
progressive and absolutely loved the way Biden was tearing into Ryan. However, I
really have to note that while Biden and Romney had similarities in how they
commanded the debates, Biden definitely went farther than Romney did. I
don't think it's necessarily a bad thing that Biden ran it that way,
just that it reduced his ability to score a wider debate win (only won in CBS
polling of undecided voter debate viewers by 18 rather than Romney's
margins that were about double that).
@ImaUteRobotTry thinking for yourself, and not use the worn out
rhetoric or the Democratic party. Where were Romney and Ryan wrong? Are they
wrong for wanting answers to a coverup?As for the 47% comments,
watch the entirety of the tape. Romney didn't dismiss 47% of the American
people. He was making a point that he can't worry about trying to change
the vote of the 47%. They aren't going to bite the hand that feeds them
(Obama). The facts are out there if you will open your eyes and look
for yourself. Don't take anyone's word for it, even if it shows up in
5 different articles. That's the nice thing about the technology and
availability of information that we have today. People are too lazy to seek out
the truth, and want to have their information spoon-fed to them. When you do
that, you are subject to whatever someone wants to feed you.
@ImaUteFanI find it amusing that when TemplarBlue refutes your opinion
with specific observations, that somehow proves that he has blinders on. Perhaps
what is really happening here is that some refuse to bow to the cult of Obama,
and instead choose to see the world as it really is. Biden was rude. Ryan was
polite. Obama was dismall. Romney was strong. The economy is still in the tanks
and we are now $5 TRILLION further in debt than before Obama's keynesian
attempt to correct things.It is clearly time to have a fiscally minded
president step in and set things straight. Let's hold off on the socialism
experiments until the country is strong enough to survive the after-effects.
I have no problem with Romney playing this issue once all the information is
in.... but until then, he is just using the deaths of 4 Americans to play
politics. Neither Romney, nor Biden, nor Obama "know" who and how those
events came down.Just like everyone jumped on the band wagon saying
drug smuggles killed the boarder agent, only to find out he was killed by
friendly fire. Crimes and terrorism should be above the political fray,
particularly by those running for government office. If Romney "knows"
exactly what happened, please, he needs to share it with us all. Perhaps he can
share the stage with Reid who "knows" about Romney's taxes, or
Trump who "knows" about Obama's grade - but hasn't shared that
with us yet.If he knows exactly what happened - lets have it. If he
doesn't.... lets give those in charge a chance to do their jobs. They
found Osama... I think they will find the answer to this question too. Give
them a chance to do their jobs without political grandstanding.It
would be the honorable and presidential thing to do.
@TemplarBlue:Thanks for proving my point.
ImaUteFan you need to wake up and smell the Romney!This ship is
sailing with you or without you. The ship you want to stay on is sinking, as
will the economy if Obama remains President. So sink or swim my friend, sink or
swim.As for the comparison between Biden and Romney, there is none.
Biden was a raving, rude, disrespectful lunatic, who is a disgrace to the
office. His nickname should be Joker Joe.While Romney may have
pressed his points harder than Ryan did, he did so respectfully to the Office of
President and with class. I see nothing wrong with that. The VP on the other
hand acted like a drunken mad man.
I'm saddened that many of my fellow LDS members simply have blinders on
with regard to this election. They are not willing to look at things
objectively. It seems that Mitt Romney, no matter what he says or how he
behaves, can do no wrong and EVERYTHING that Obama does is wrong.Biden acted very much the same way Romney did in the first debate but today we
are hearing that Biden was "mean and rude". Ryan acted very much the
same way Obama acted in the first debate yet Obama was passive and
"didn't show up" and Ryan was "respectful." You have
it both ways, folks.I wish the people of this state would stop the
thinking that Republican equals "good" and Democrat equals
VST said: @Heretic,If you do not like what this paper presents for news
articles, then why do you continue to read it?Awe... the old if you
don't like it leave it, cowardly. I'd rather try and get people
to start thinking for themselves rather than reading 5 articles about the same
thing all one sided and wrong to boot.Romney and Ryans facts are
flat out wrong and to just let this paper or fox news run romney lies as stories
should be addressed.
Romney could either work for the benefit of the country to determine what really
happened or he could muddy the waters and stir up trouble by launching a
political attack. He chose the political attack, working to the detriment of
the country. He put his personal desires paramount to the country's
well-being. He has just proved that he is not worthy to be president.
Mitt Romney's campaign reminds me of the Mormon Missionary types that spend
2 years ripping apart other beliefs, Rather than saying; keep what
you got that's good and right, and let me propose something even
better...He gives nothing, but 24/7 harps on why eveyone else is wrong.Bro. Romney - you ain't gonna get many converts the way your doing
I count 5 articles today about Mitt's opinion on libya, really? I hope mitt
is paying you guys for free publicity.