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Ann Romney praises Paul Ryan's VP debate performance

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  • Ali'ikai 'A'amakualenalena Provo, UT
    Oct. 14, 2012 2:12 p.m.

    Counter Intelligence

    Salt Lake City, UT

    8:39 a.m. Oct. 12, 2012

    Your comment is appreciated. I disagree with you completely.

    But my question is: Do you know where the "middle" is? With the rightward shift of the conservative cause, it didn't pull the "middle" with it. Instead, conservatives purged anyone who wasn't conservative enough, considered conservative enough, or even suspected of not being conservative enough. So where did these folk go? Why, they moved toward the "middle" and are known as moderate conservatives, like George Romney and Gerald Ford. Maybe even Ronald Reagan by today's conservative litmus test!

    There's a great article in New York magazine by Jonathan Chait discussing the disappearance of the "moderate conservative". He writes about the extreme rightward shift of the conservative movement and the problem this poses for conservative thinkers like David Frum, David Brooks, Bruce Bartlett, and Michael Gerson. One could easily add Peggy Noonan to this group.

    The Big Tent of Ronald Reagan has become the Pup Tent of movement conservatives. They don't want anyone who is not ideologically pure. So where does that put the "middle" in you geography?

  • Salsa Libre Provo, UT
    Oct. 14, 2012 1:58 p.m.

    What do you expect? Ann Romney is Mitt Romney's wife and a faithful member of the team.

    This is like a comment from many of the other defenders of the faith: one expects it.

    Sure it's an opinion like any other. What Ann Romney says is what Ann Romney says. It is of no less or no greater import than what my Great Aunt Martha says. However, those who are offended because she is considered a shill and a political hack forget the nature of the game. She wants her guy to win and is a supportive member of the team.

    Much is said about Michelle Obama when she shills and advocates her position. The right-wing media have a big day assaulting her. Even when she launches on a basic thing like improving children's diets, she gets hit with the partisan rhetoric simply because she is Barack Obama's wife.

    So it's important to differentiate between the partisan and the benign. If Michelle Obama praises Joe Biden's performance at the VP debate, then let at it. Same for Ann Romney. Being a political surrogate means you accept the consequences of your actions.

  • Furry1993 Ogden, UT
    Oct. 13, 2012 12:10 p.m.

    To Counter Intelligence 1:00 p.m. Oct. 12, 2012

    Would you find it acceptable if a man talked about any "liberal" woman the way you do about Ann Romney?

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    If the woman in your hypothetical had distorted, and played fast-and-loose, with the truth and the facts the way Ann Romney does I would not only find it acceptable for a "liberal" woman to be criticized the way I criticize Ann Romney, I would be making the criticisms myself.

    When I was in law school, we learned something very early on -- in order to make any argument of any kind, we first had to base the argument on TRUE facts. We could construe and stress and avoid and explain the facts in a way necessary to support our arguments, but we HAD to present the true, unabridged, unqualified facts first. Ann Romney appears deliberately to avoid doing that.

    I don't fault her for supporting her candidate; that's what a political adviser and advocate is supposed to do. What I fault is her lying to do so. that makes her conduct shilling instead of supporting her candidate. And it makes her a political hack.

  • E. Hindman Ogden, UT
    Oct. 12, 2012 3:26 p.m.

    Just a question - when fact checkers - actually all of them - state Ryan was/is not telling the truth, does that matter to conservatives?

  • Rifleman Salt Lake City, Utah
    Oct. 12, 2012 1:51 p.m.

    Re: Counter Intelligence Salt Lake City, UT

    There was a time when I harbored similar feelings about Hillary Clinton that one of the commenters above expresses towards Ann Romney. The sad truth is that the only person who was hurt by my feelings of hate and contempt was myself. They certainly didn't hurt her.

    I appreciate your thoughtful observations on many of the stories found on this web site. They are most refreshing.

  • Counter Intelligence Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 12, 2012 1:00 p.m.

    @Furry1993

    I have an honest question: why is it that women who define themselves as feminists are the ones most likely to express outright contempt for any women who does not tow the party line - while tolerating the worst forms of misogyny from men and women who regurgitate the party line?

    Would you find it acceptable if a man talked about any "liberal" woman the way you do about Ann Romney?

  • Flying Finn Murray, UT
    Oct. 12, 2012 12:29 p.m.

    Re: Furry1993

    Hate and contempt are cousins, both canker the soul of the person who harbors either of them, and neither are emotions to be proud of.

  • Furry1993 Ogden, UT
    Oct. 12, 2012 11:57 a.m.

    To Rifleman 9:27 a.m. Oct. 12, 2012

    I can understand a person disliking a candidate but why the hatred towards his wife? While I don't agree with Obama's politics I admire his wife. She is a decent woman, and so is Ann Romney.

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    It's contempt, not hatred.

    The problem comes from the fact that Ann acts as a political surrogate for Mitt, and an extremely dishonest and dishonorable one at that. She removed herself from the "political spouse" category and put herself in the "political adviser/actor" category -- a Republican version of Hillary Clinton. As such, she opens herself up for investigation and comment on her activities (the same thing that Republicans did to Secretary Clinton). Michelle Obama, on the other hand, ventures into the political arena on very limited occasions and generally eschews it as much as she can. She works to encourage improvement of diet and lessening of obesity, and advocates for the benefit of military families, but she does it behind the scenes as much as possible. That keeps her in the "political spouse" category, and away from public investigation.

    AnnR put herself in the public spotlight; MichelleO did not.

  • Rifleman Salt Lake City, Utah
    Oct. 12, 2012 10:42 a.m.

    Re: Bebyebe UUU, UT
    "If she doesn't like the heat she should go back to her horses."

    Ann Romney is used to the heat, and is more than capable of taking any mud the liberals want to dish out. The question revolves around the character and maturity of those slinging the mud. It makes them look small.

  • SS MiddleofNowhere, Utah
    Oct. 12, 2012 10:08 a.m.

    I love that Democrats kind of glaze over the attack in Libya and try to say as little about it as possible. I don't know how you can be any more blatantly obvious that the Obama administrations are a bunch of liars when it comes to this! And anyone who says they aren't and continues to support them are lying to themselves and supporting the fact that they got 4 Americans killed.

    It took 2 WEEKS for Obama to admit that it was a terrorist attack and not sprung from protests about that stupid Youtube video!! 2 WEEKS!!! And all Biden could say in their defense was, "We gave the information we were given by our intelligence as it was being given to us." Really??? It takes 2 WEEKS for our intelligence to get information to the president on a TERRORIST ATTACK? That's scary!!! And does, as Ryan said, "Show an unraveling of the Obama administrations foreign policies.

    It's either that or it took Obama 2 weeks to figure out that a youtube video wasn't going to satisfy the American people! Either way, it's pathetic and disqualifies him for the presidency!!

  • Happy Valley Heretic Orem, UT
    Oct. 12, 2012 10:07 a.m.

    che1968 said: If we were to look at STATESMANSHIP rather than thespian histrionics; the obviuos statesman was Paul Ryan. Are we looking for statesmen or comedians to lead our country?

    So are you saying Obama won last week because Mitt did not look very statesman like when he kept interrupting and mocking right?

    Fitness Freak said: Joe Biden should have asked his helpers to clue him in on exactly what happened at the Benghazi embassy just so he doesn't get things mixed up.

    What? Ryan hadn't a clue he just kept repeating the lies that somehow mitt was psychic and new ahead of washington what had happend, he didn't know he just spouted off republican rhetoric. If Obama is responsible for Benghazi embassy, than Reagan is responsible for how many marines? and GW is responsible for how many on 911?

  • Bebyebe UUU, UT
    Oct. 12, 2012 10:04 a.m.

    "I can understand a person disliking a candidate but why the hatred towards his wife?"

    'hatred', Really? Hyperbole.

    She jumped into the election to stump for her husband. She's fair game just like any other campaigner. If she doesn't like the heat she should go back to her horses.

  • Fitness Freak Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 12, 2012 9:37 a.m.

    Paul Ryan did a great job.

    Joe Biden should have asked his helpers to clue him in on exactly what happened at the Benghazi embassy just so he doesn't get things mixed up.

    The lamestream media can only cover for him so much.

  • che1968 Exton, PA
    Oct. 12, 2012 9:30 a.m.

    If we were to look at STATESMANSHIP rather than thespian histrionics; the obviuos statesman was Paul Ryan. Are we looking for statesmen or comedians to lead our country?

  • Rifleman Salt Lake City, Utah
    Oct. 12, 2012 9:27 a.m.

    Re: Furry1993 Ogden, UT
    "Ann's just a shill for the Romney/Ryan ticket."

    I can understand a person disliking a candidate but why the hatred towards his wife? While I don't agree with Obama's politics I admire his wife. She is a decent woman, and so is Ann Romney.

  • Counter Intelligence Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 12, 2012 9:04 a.m.

    @freedomingood
    A person can be forceful and maintain some degree of respect. Romney did not repeatedly throw up his hands, roll his eyes, refuse to let Obama finish a sentence (Obama actually spoke longer than Romney

    Anyone who thinks that moderates and independents viewed Romney s disagreement with Obama in the same light as Biden v Ryan is only deluding themselves

    @Furry1993
    "Ann's just a shill for the Romney/Ryan ticket. Consequently the truth wouldn't matter to her."

    And obviously it matters little to the Obama campaign, who repeatedly lies about lying, because they simply cannot run on their record = therefore they must destroy Romney Ryan with what ever bizarre allegations they can grasp - and there are always furry people out there who will buy it.

    I.e. Claiming Obama lying about Libya is actually Romney's fault - can it get any more pathetic?

  • Furry1993 Ogden, UT
    Oct. 12, 2012 8:41 a.m.

    To Happy Valley Heretic 8:09 a.m. Oct. 12, 2012

    How is this a story? Does anyone really believe she would say otherwise?

    Then again she's in limited company with that opinion.

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    Ann's just a shill for the Romney/Ryan ticket. Consequently the truth wouldn't matter to her.

  • freedomingood provo, Utah
    Oct. 12, 2012 8:41 a.m.

    Well then, clearly.....

    Being forcefull was cool last week but totally not cool this week..... Yep.

  • Counter Intelligence Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 12, 2012 8:39 a.m.

    Ryan cam across as a very thoughtful, intelligent, respectful young man

    Biden was simply histrionic: That may appeal to the far left; but it certainly did nothing to attract the middle

  • Happy Valley Heretic Orem, UT
    Oct. 12, 2012 8:09 a.m.

    How is this a story? Does anyone really believe she would say otherwise?

    Then again she's in limited company with that opinion.