Obama quietly signed an executive order on abortions his first week in office.
It was called the Mexico City Policy and opened up federal funding for
international organizations who performed abortions.He's the devil we
know.Mitt is the devil we don't know. It worries conservatives, but
if you call them the Tea Party I guess that's OK, even in Utah.Put a
label on them and marginalize them.Romney won't lose conservative
voters...only their trust.
SS said: Also, a non-living things don't grow. Does a fetus grow . . .
yep!Yep, so does a tumor in a man should we force men to let tumors
or cancer run their course?SS also said: How can a body move if it
doesn't have a spirit to control it? Science is not your strong
point, is it?SS also said: I don't know where you got the idea
that the spirit enters the body at birth.Maybe, his religion teaches that,
does that make his religion wrong?Not everyone believe the same.
To SS 10:38 a.m. Oct. 11, 2012If you believe that, then tell me why
the LDS Church will not seal stillborns and miscarried fetuses to their parents.
I know the answer -- when my husband and I were sealed, we wanted our
miscarried fetuses sealed to us. Church regulations prohibited it. The answer
we were given -- to be eligible for any vicarious ordinances including children
being sealed to parents, it is necessary that all of the parties to the
ordinance had lived. Because the miscarried fetuses had not been born and drawn
a breath, THEY WERE CONSIDERED NOT TO HAVE LIVED and were therefore not eligible
for the ordinance. I got the same answer when I was doing my geneology and
wanted to seal stillborns in my family line to their parents -- they were not
eligible because, even though they had underwent a birth process, they had not
drawn a breath; therefore they were considered not to have lived. For a church
that believes all people who have lived need to receive certain ordinances, and
those ordinances are denied because parties had not lived, that seems pretty
conclusive to me.
@ Furry,I don't know where you got the idea that the spirit
enters the body at birth, but it is simply not true! You have no General
Authority or scripture to back you up. Sorry.Also, a non-living
things don't grow. Does a fetus grow . . . yep!How can a body
move if it doesn't have a spirit to control it?@ LDS LiberalSo we should just let people make any "personal" choice they
feel is right for them without looking at any of the consequences because it is
none of our business? What a joke!
TOOSanpete, UTFurryPlease enligten me, then, how a
non-living thing in the uterus is able to suffocate,have blood flow, and have a
heart beat.8:05 p.m. Oct. 10, 2012================ The same way my brother was already dead before the ambulance picked him
up off the street after the motorcycle accident. No breath, No
heartbeat, No bloodflow.Like Pro-Choice laws, My family
and our Doctors could CHOOSE to hold life support without the threat of criminal
charges and going to jail.It's none of the Government's,
You, or your Political Parties business about these things.That's
To TOO 8:05 p.m. Oct. 10, 2012Please enligten me, then, how a
non-living thing in the uterus is able to suffocate,have blood flow, and have a
heart beat.-----------------The question I ask of you is
this -- how do you define life? Is it the human spirit that exists prior to
mortality, inhabits a moral body to "navigate" on the earth, and then
passes into immortality? Or is life limited to a physical body that exists
first as a parasitic life form in the uterus and then as an independent being on
the earth?I believe it is the former, and pregnancy is just the
"factory" that constructs the physical body into which a pre-existing,
living human spirit enters at birth and signifies its existence of the body by
drawing a breath -- the living corporeal human being comes into existence at
birth. Your comment seems to imply that your definition is the latter.To Millsap fan 9:24 p.m. Oct. 10, 2012 Agreed. And, especially,
take steps to insure that, if sexually active, the pregnancy will not start. In
other words, if sexually active, use contraception.
A few facts on abortion:Only one percent of abortions result from
incest or rape. 3/4 of abortions are for unmarried women. According to recent
polls 3/4 of women who aborted a child regretted it. Let's look
at countries where abortions are federally funded.... south africa for example
is plagued with 13 year old moms, infested with aids, stricken by poverty. And
planned parenthood wants to perpetuate the cycle and bring it to our shores. No
thanks. Instead lets teach young women to respect their bodies and
be pro choice and plan AHEAD!. Plan to Respect your body. Practice abstinence or
at least plan ahead or deal with the consequences.
Also, all of you pro choice supporters who think that a woman should have the
right to choose to kill her offspring should apply that to other things and see
if that logic works for you.Examples--I think that people
should be able to do any drugs because it is their body and they aren't
affecting anyone else.-I think that people should be able to speed
down the highway because it is their life.-I think people should be
able to text and drive because it is their life.-I think that people
should be able to commit suicide (which is ridiculous anyway because what do you
do to them when they are dead?) because it is their life.Basically
you are saying that people should be able to do anything they want because it is
their life. What happened to responsibility and laws governing and protecting
people, even if, and especially if they can't protect themselves.I am pro-choice, people can make any choice they want, but they should live
with the consequences. A woman makes her choice long before she is pregnant.
That's the way God set it up.
Is there anyone other prominent, high profile person in America who could tell
the public, "I said what I said whatever it was that I said whenever I said
it".Any other person in history running for the highest position in
the world utter such words? Any other candidate hire a staff to sweep up
his comments two hours following "what he said", and tell the public,
"he did not really meant what he said"?
FurryPlease enligten me, then, how a non-living thing in the uterus
is able to suffocate,have blood flow, and have a heart beat.
@ute alumreally that is what you take from the Kalindras comment?
why do I get the feeling you are trying to avoid the meat of her argument.
@ ute alumni: I sorry you object to the correct use of medical terminology.
All this mania drives me nuts. Romney gets elected by a bunch of people who
obviously support "legal" abortion so he goes along with them in order
to govern. He is not responsible for their misbehavior nor can he do anything
about it. It is their choice to abort according to the law so it happens. Romney
is not responsible to make everyone walk his walk. He is faithful LDS and does
not approve of abortion nor does his church, however, this is a free country.What makes you all think that a President can enforce his morals on
those who may elect him?He is there to enforce the law and right now,
abortion sadly is the law of the land.Get off his case. Quit muddying the
water...we need him for the good of the country.
All of you for Obama get your act together and see what kind of person that man
really is. Right now we are talking about abortion we have a much bigger problem
with Obama than with what Mitt Romney has to say. He will be a pro-life
president I am sure of that but what people are forgetting right now is that we
have four people who have died and the White House is trying to cover this up
big time. We are not stupid here and most of us know what Obama is trying to do.
Watergate never killed anyone so now we the People deserve to have the right
answers on this. Like I said we have bigger problems to deal with than Romney
back tracking what he said. He will protect the lives of the unborn I am sure of
it. What are we going to do though with a President and all who follow him about
To ute alumni 4:36 p.m. Oct. 10, 2012try calling it a baby not a
fetus. I guess that makes it easier to kill.=================Until there is a birth and the breath of life is drawn, the product of
conception is a fetus and not a baby. Pregnancy is the process by which a body
is constructed to house the spirit that will inhabit it during mortality. Prior
to birth and breath, there is no baby, child, infant, or any other label you
want to apply to it. Until the spirit has joined the body at birth there is no
human life that an be terminated.That being said, I believe there
are only a very few acceptable reasons for theraputic pregnancy termination --
if the life or health of the pregnant woman is in significant peril, if the
pregnancy started as a result of rape or incest, or if there is a fatal fetal
deformity (the same reasons that are deemed acceptable by the LDS Church). BUT
that is my opinion and my standards. I argue strongly against abortion, but I
don't believe it appropriate to impose my standards on anyone else. Let
the woman decide.
ute alumni said:kalindra try calling it a baby not a fetus. I guess that
makes it easier to kill.Try calling him the President instead of
"boy" it make you sound like a racist, when you think your being clever
several times a day.Mitt's getting caught by the people he lied
to last month, too funny.
I am and have been a staunch Romney supporter for 6 years. He is misrepresented
again and again if you go to primary source material. He voted against every
pro-abortion bill that crossed his desk. That said, I admit I do not
agree with every position he holds and I am saddened at this flip-flop. No
candidate is perfect and I still support him because he will turn around the
economy but I hate the double-talk.
kalindratry calling it a baby not a fetus. I guess that makes it easier to
@ ute alumni: Again with the misrepresentations. Illinois has had a law on the
books for many, many years stating that when an abortion procedure involves a
fetus that has reached the point of viability, there must be a second doctor
present who will care for the baby should it survive the abortion attempt.Obama never tried to change that and never said anything against that
policy.He voted against a second piece of legislation that would do
the exact same thing.How many laws do you need addressing one issue?
Why continue to pass the same law over and over instead of addressing new
Yeap and Obama never changes his mind. Actually I wish he would on many things,
like late term abortion. He won't. Killing a surviving abated baby
apparently is okay with Barry.
Don't like a position Romney has taken? Wait a few minutes -- it will
change and you might like it then. Flip. Flop. Flip. Flop.This
is NOT what we need for President.
The DesNews posted the story that Romney pledged not to push abortion
legislation at 11:18 pm on 10/9. This story posted 1:48 pm on 10/10. A mere
14.5 hours between statement and backtrack. Is this a record for the man? He
hewed far right during the primaries. Having secured the nomination, he's
tacking centrist to woo the undecideds. Nice to see the right trying to rein
him in to some consistent position. Romney has staked out so many positions on
this issue over the years, pandering to all, and couched in so many weasel words
that he can't be held to any particular position.One consistent
theme I hear from the right is that conservatives stand solidly on unchanging
bedrock principles (rooted in the Bible and/or the Constitution). I guess we
know that Romney is not a "real" conservative. (But that was never in
There is a reason the Romney "seems" to be softening his far right
stance.It's because HE IS.During the primaries,
Romney tried to portray himself as the "Severe Conservative" that he is
NOT.Now he has the GOP nomination, it is time to pander to the
reasonable folks in the middle.Certainly, the far right will not
vote for Obama, regardless of how moderate Romney becomes.Remember
that fear that Romney was more of a moderate? Well, he IS.
"There's no legislation with regards to abortion that I'm familiar
with that would become part of my agenda." This man is so full
of weasel words, they're hard to keep track of. All he's saying here
is that he's not familiar with any legislation he would endorse. Show him a
piece of legislation, and he might endorse it. Good grief, is this man beyond
committing to any position or giving any specifics?
White man speaks with Forked-tonuge.