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Published: Wednesday, Oct. 10 2012 2:49 p.m. MDT

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ImaCaMan
Oceanside, CA

Re: toosmartforyou

You stated: As Abrham Lincoln reportedly said "You can fool some of the people all the time, and all the people some of the time, but you can't fool all the people all the time."

W.C. Fields also said: "you can fool some of the people some of the time- and that's enough to make a living!"

This seems to have worked well for Romney and his fellow Republican cohorts.

Rifleman
Salt Lake City, Utah

Re: Craig Clark Boulder, CO

There is no economic upswing. To the contrary we are on the cusp of another recession ... or depression depending on how bad it gets.

Counter Intelligence
Salt Lake City, UT

@middle class

"Who is Mitt Romney? What does he think? Why does he want to be President? No one seems to know the answers to these questions."

Actually anyone paying attention knows Romney quite well; particularly after the debate.

The only people confused are those deluded by the smoke and mirrors of Obama's attack ads that are motivated entirely by the fact that Obama cannot win based upon his own record, therefore he must spend hundreds of millions of dollars attempting to make his opponent toxic - regardless of the truth.

After the debate it became abundantly clear that the Obama campaign has been lying profusely and that Romney is not the toxic person that Obama desperately needs in order to win

Truthseeker
SLO, CA

Economic upswing evidenced by:

unemployment rate decreased from 10%-7.8%

S&P up 81%

manufacturing up 48%

consumer confidence up 86%

petroleum imports down 23%

Yes, more work to be done. Mitt is offering a fantasy massive tax decrease he can't/won't explain--(just trust him) and budget cuts consisting of defunding PBS and the NEA; a healthcare policy that will cover pre-existing conditions only for those who've had continuous insurance coverage. He wants to maintain subsidies for oil, agriculture and increase spending on defense.

But who knows? Mitt may just change all his positions again tomorrow!

Riverton Cougar
Riverton, UT

"Those that don't learn from history are damned to repeat it."

FT,

That nicely describes Obama's presidency. He obviously doesn't know his history concerning the Great Depression and what works (or doesn't work) to get out of such economic downturns. He obviously is blissfully ignorant of the ineffectiveness of socialist government.

Does the fact that Obama has been unofficially endorsed by Hugo Chavez and the Castros mean anything to you?

Liberal Ted
Salt Lake City, UT

@ atl134

Stop your whining. obama preached and ran for 2 years stating things that he never explained how he would do. He has been in office over 3.5 years and still hasn't explained how his policies have helped us.

Romney has listed loopholes he would cut, places he would cut funding. If you missed the debate or didn't pay attention. Romney explained to barack that you can't go in to negotiate and to work with the other side, by starting off it's my way or the highway. Too bad barack didn't figure that one out earlier on. Romney said he will work with both sides to make it happen. The fact of the matter is I believe Romney over barack. barack has had 5.5 years to get his policies in place and make it happen. Instead he spend his political capital on green energy for his buddies and cronies, health care that over 60% of the didn't want, and still hasn't created a net job. Even after fudging the job reports.

metamoracoug
metamora, IL

Liberal Ted @ 2:25: You and I don't agree often, but well said. My opinion all along has been that Romney can't give us specifics because he wants to work in a bipartisan manner -- just like he did in Massachusetts. He can't say things that would alienate members of the other party and thus create hurdles before he even gets in office.

Truthseeker
SLO, CA

"Romney Claims of Bipartisanship as Governor Face Challenge
NY Times 10/12

"Democrats complained he variously ignored, insulted or opposed them, with intermittent charm offensives. He vetoed scores of legislative initiatives and excised budget line items 844 times, according to Factcheck. Lawmakers reciprocated by quickly overriding the vast bulk of them."

"Romney could be appealing and persuasive. But he also displayed political tone-deafness and a failure to nurture the constituencies he needed to make his initiatives succeed."

"By 2004, the second year of his term, Romney mounted an unprecedented campaign to unseat Democratic legislators, spending $3 million in Republican Party money even hiring a nationally known political strategist to plan the battle.

The effort failed spectacularly. Republicans lost, leaving them with their smallest legislative delegation since 1867. Democratic lawmakers were reported to have been deeply angered by the campaign’s tactics."

"Educators largely credit reform of state schools 10 years earlier under Governor Weld. (reforms doubled state spending on schools and brought standards and accountability to administrators and students).

“Romney doesn't get to take the credit for achieving that No. 1 ranking,” said Mike Gilbert, but it did happen while he was in office.”

VST
Bountiful, UT

What economic upswing, Craig Clark? Do you call the following annual economic growth pattern (Gross Domestic Product) an upswing?

3.0% – 4th Quarter 2011
2.0% – 1st Quarter 2012
1.3% – 2nd Quarter 2012

That is NOT an economic upswing Clark – it is a downswing. I call it anemic and headed in the wrong direction. Remember, when GDP goes negative, you are back into another recession.

jsf
Centerville, UT

atl134"That's a "vote me for and you'll find out what I do later" plan."

Is exactly how Pelosie and Reid sold the Obama care. "We have to pass it to find out what's in it".

But best quote of the day is Obama's "The president was asked about the debate on the Tom Joyner Morning Show. "Well, two things. I mean, you know, the debate, I think it’s fair to say I was just too polite, because, you know, it’s hard to sometimes just keep on saying and what you’re saying isn’t true," Obama said in response to the question."

Catch that "just keep on saying and what you’re saying isn’t true"

VST
Bountiful, UT

@Truthseeker,

Economic growth (positive or negative) is measured by the percentage change in the Gross Domestic Product; not by the statistics you quoted. Your quoted statistics are influenced by the GDP, but they are not the measure of economic growth. As of latest quarterly GDP posting, that number is headed in the wrong direction. This economy has stagnated – it is only treading water.

lost in DC
West Jordan, UT

“(BO's) team says no major changes are expected in his ... strategy.”

Run from your own record and distort Romney’s.

“unmarried women in particular were not swayed by Obama's economic arguments but were open to Romney's approach.”

With JOBS they can afford their own birth control and don’t need to rely on BO to buy it for them.

Craig Clark,
in a battleground state I’ve seen 2 ads BO approved. both were negative

Saw 1 Romney approved ad – positive about what Romney would do. NOTHING about BO.

MiddleClass,
Admirable job? 8%+ unemployment, $6 TRILLION in new debt, 1.2% economic growth is acceptable?

Who is Romney? Successful in private enterprise, not-for-profit (Olympics), and governor (deficit to surplus).

Atl134
Lack of details – where were you when Obamcare was debated and nancy said “we have to pass it so we can see what’s in it?”

Truthseeker
Higher unemployment than he inherited is an upswing? 1.2% growth is an upswing? That S&P growth is going to your hated 1percenters; why is it now a good thing? NYT is not objective.

Lone Star Cougar
Plano, TX

Obama promised many things but did not deliver. Many people hoped he would succeed but we are not seeing it. Even the lower unemployment numbers are only showing how many people are not actively looking for work anymore.



I remember an America that was full of promise and with VERY low unemployment numbers and there was a definite air of positivity across America. President Obama did not bring that back and instead blames everything or everyone else for the failure we have seen the last 3.6 years.



It is time for a Positive Change.

JWB
Kaysville, UT

President Obama didn't appear to me to be upset when he was onstage during the debate. I believe he thought he won as Mitt Romney, according to the Obama ads is a goof and isn't a real person. That means he didn't have to give his all, if he had any of the all, as he didn't have to do this when he was organizing communities with federal and matching state funds that he didn't have to earn. He just showed up and got it greased into his organized communities hands.

If he doesn't lead he doesn't have to think about those things on his own. The federal government has a system, though inefficient, to run day in and day out, without too much guidance from people as the regulations, procedures and techniques are spelled out, word for word.

Military plans don't require much input from the President, fortunately. He gives the okay and hopes he made the right decision. Clinton was a similar type of President. Lucky for us they weren't in office for 9/11 but Clinton didn't push the agencies looking for Obama prior to 9/11.

Nate
Pleasant Grove, UT

President Uhhh says: "I got this." This would be funny, if it weren't so sad. He left the debate the other night thinking he had won. He's so incompetent, he doesn't know how bad he is.

How many fruitless "Recovery Summers" do we have to experience before we realize this guy is all talk?

Rifleman
Salt Lake City, Utah

Re: ImaCaMan Oceanside, CA
"This seems to have worked well for Romney and his fellow Republican cohorts."

If what you say is true wouldn't it have been prudent for Obama to bring it up during his presidential debate with Romney? We've seen the two men side by side and Obama got his backsides kicked.

In Obama's defense he did about the best he could in that debate.

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