Re: Claudio Springville, Ut"And for the record, bitterness and hatred
would certainly be considered "suffering" "No question
about it. There are consequences attached to our actions that we can't
escape. Certain behaviors will always generate the same end results. I
sympathize with those who have made their bed on a pile of rocks but they are
the ones who have to sleep on them.
I wish I'd gone on my mission before I graduated college. I learned a
foreign language and really learned how to really study. It will be exciting to
see the effects of more sister missionaries, as hopefully more will take the
opportunity to serve.
My daughter was in the audience when it was announced, and she said it was a sea
of texting. Oh, and by the way, as a BYU Freshman, she's
announced she plans to serve a mission after she completes her Freshman year,
and I couldn't be more proud.
The Lord's plan is made by the Lord.He needs missionaries and
for the next couple of years with these adjustments, He will have them in larger
numbers, if people do what the Lord wants.Faith is what we have
control over and the leaders of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints
have their prayerful process to know the Lord's plan.Thank
goodness we have great people, families and members that will do the Lord's
will and realize the blessing of His plan.The Spirit is what we see
in what people do and respond to what the Lord wants. Thanks for keeping this
news in the real news.
I completely agree with raybies. Other countries have been sending 18-yr-olds
for years, with great retention numbers. We lose a lot of young men who leave
home for that 1st year of college and get caught up in the world because they
are so very focused on themselves.One of the great things missionary
work does is enlighten one to the fact that he or she is not the center of the
universe. It instills a different view of the world and its inhabitants.While some will still choose that 1st year of college - atheletes, or my
son who has to wait to get his braces off - I think that for the majority of the
boys NOT waiting that year "in limbo" is a very, very good thing.And as for sending girls earlier - I'm all for it. It will vastly
increase the number of sisters serving and raise the bar again for the young
men, since so many YW will have had the experience of a mission, they will want
a man who can relate to all that means. I never understood the waiting until 21
anyway. Can you say 70,000 missionaries? :-)
The new policy will be a great blessing to the church. Already one of the things
the homewards struggle with is what to do with young men when they first enter
the Elder's Quorum--having graduated beyond High School, leave the Priest
Quorum, and yet still have a year waiting period to serve a mission. A LOT of
young men get into trouble during that year because there's a huge change
in culture between Elder's Quorum and the "fun" of Priest Quorum.
They expect adventure, but often EQ is more focused on young families and
activation of adults who've wandered... So some bishops encourage that age
to go to Single's Wards, but then they don't really fit there
either--if they're intent on going on a mission, because they're not
likely to make any serious relational ties. So they sorta drift. Now
young men can prepare and head directly to the mission field as they qualify.
It's a really smart move on the part of the church.
Ted, this will be my last comment on the thread.Your analogy, while
amusing, is not a good comparison. Nor did I ever suggest that you or anyone
else "cave to suffering an confusion." From the sounds of it, your
intention was a poorly articulated expression of tolerance. Good. Next time,
just try to say what you mean rather than intentionally or unintentionally
suggesting that you find pleasure in the grief of others.And for the
record, bitterness and hatred would certainly be considered "suffering"
if you considered this as a Christian looking to truly serve his brother. It
should bring you sorrow that someone is so controlled by hatred that they
can't carry on a rational conversation, not joyful laughter.
When I served my mission in New England back in the 70's, there were areas
where Elders had been working for years and years. Consequently, the area can
become stale and there were times when the Mission President would
"close" the area for a while. the hope was that when the area was
reopened, new Elders would work the area with new attitudes. Now, instead of
closing an area, the Mission President has the option of sending in Sister
missionaries; the positive effect on the investigators and the Ward(s) is
exciting. Elder Holland was correct; they are stunningly successful wherever
they go. I expect to see many more young women entering the mission field.
@Ken"Surely you must think that obama is sexist too since he
has't changed existing laws that say all men 18 and older must still
register with the Selective Service yet women do not?"Actually
Democrats are the ones that try and change that but they don't nearly have
the votes for it, nor is it really popular. Personally I support it. I like
anything that makes Presidents less likely to throw us into stupid wars. ERA
opponents decades ago cited that as a side effect that they pushed as a prime
reason to oppose the ERA.
Upon hearing the announcement and after the camara scanned the congregation, the
look in the eyes of the young wormen that were there prompted me to say that
there will be an explosion of new missionaries, especially among the young
women.Often times the wisdom of it all doesn't surface for
years. But even in the life of the young women in this article, the opportunity
is exactly what she wants.Plus I think it will get these sister
missionaries home sooner and at a younger age which I also think will fit better
for education and marriage.I continue to be puzzled at the comments
of a few of the people on here.There clearly is no desire to find anything
positve in their comment.And the best they can do is call it a sexist
policy?That, to me is a sure sign of a sad, lonely and empty
life.Perhaps an enthused sister missionary will knock on their door
and give them a different outlook in life.
@Jeff"wisdom dictates that it's better for the girls to be older,
thereby discouraging--if not eliminating--romance between male and female
missionaries."I hope that's just what you think about it
rather than what the apostle said about it...
claudio,Let's just not confused "suffering and
confusion" with "bitterness and hatred"I am not happy at
the suffering of others. I just laugh at childish behavior. A couple of weeks
ago my 3 year old daugher had a temper tantrum that sounded like the world was
coming to an end. The problem? My wife told her no to a second piece of cake.
My wife tried explaining why 1 piece of cake a day was enough. My daughter was
not interested and there could be no reasoning. There was kicking and screaming
like we've rarely seen. Was my wife a terrible person for not caving to
the "suffering and confusion" of my daughter? I think not.
We sort of just chuckled and thought her childish behavior was expected and it
didn't keep us up all night. Similary, I"ll laugh and carry on when I
see childish behavior from others, who wish to make people think their hatred
and bitterness are suffering and confusion.
tr:IndependentLiberalactually you are 100% correct. It will be very
interesting to see what happens to recruiting in the state of Utah now. High
school athletes have to consider that leaving for a mission out of high school
may or may not be in their best interest. College coaches my be reluctant to
offer scholarships to athletes they have never seen play and also understanding
how most returned missionaries return completely out of shape (for obvious
reasons).You may see less lds athletes getting 4 year scholarships now with
college coaches electing to go with non-lds kids instead. It is hard to recruit
a kid knowing you aren't going to see him actually play for 3 or 4 years
(count 2 for the mission and at least 1 more for getting back in playing shape).
Having played college baseball myself for UVU I would personally elect to play
for one year before leaving for a mission because you at least are able to show
your talent and your worth to your coaching staff before you leave.
Ted,I prefer the example of Christ to your justification for
behavior that in the end, is no better than that you are attributing to
Scientist,Surely you must think that obama is sexist too since he
has't changed existing laws that say all men 18 and older must still
register with the Selective Service yet women do not?Please no
Claudio,If you were familiar with scientist he/she just has an axe
to grind against the LDS church. It's not out of curiousity they ask, but
spite. To those people - I laugh they are so upset they find relatively
insignificant news to them(as this new update won't impact scientist at
all)as an avenue to spew their dribble. Carry on dribblers. I'll continue
At "a scientist": Jeffrey R. Holland gave specifics on the new policy
in a news conference after the general session. He said (and I paraphrase) that
the Church's experience has shown that it is better to keep the males and
females at different ages, and wisdom dictates that it's better for the
girls to be older, thereby discouraging--if not eliminating--romance between
male and female missionaries.
Ted does not represent all Mormons...we do not all take joy in the confusion,
suffering and/or unhappiness of others.
In his announcement of the change, President Monson called missionary work
"a priesthood duty" but added thet young women were not under the same
"mandate." Obviously, age is not the only difference with regard to
gender for missionary service.
OK, I am not LDS, but I can readily understand what impact this new policy can
play in the lives of young LDS men and women. But, being a total Utah college
sports junkie, from Utah State to Dixie, the impact on these young athletes will
be tremendous. This could have a real impact on recruiting for out of state
schools. Following closely! : )
BYU and BYU Idaho will be the hardest hit. No more 18 year old boys for the most
part. I still think many athletes will play one year and then leave for a
mission since it allows them to establish themselves on the team before they
leave. When you come back from a mission you are totally out of shape and if you
are a QB or a pitcher (like me) it takes a full year back to get your arm
back.The freshman wards at BYU will also be hit hard - no boys left just girls.
I'm sure that there will have to be a major re-org of the entire student
ward structure going forward.
Scientist,Sometimes I dont know all the reasons why LDS church
leaders do what they do. But I'm ok with it. Curious what your comment
would have been if the rule change would have been to 18 for both men and women?
Would it have been a pat on the back for moving to equality from you to the
Mormons or would you have found something else you you truly don't care
about but complained about none-the-less just to vent your dislike of the
Mormons? I think we know.And due to that, I'm happy this
bothers you. I'm happy the previous 21 and 19 year rule bothered you.
I'm happy the new rule bothers you. I'm happy knowing that even if
things were "equal" and 18 for all and you seem to wish, that you would
still be bothered. I'm happy knowing it was general conference this
weekend bothered you. I'm happy anything related to Mormons, Mitt Romney,
Bush, Prop 8, BYU, or green jello bothers you.When unhappy people
are just looking for an axe to grind they'll find it. I'm happy you
are so bothered.
Mayfair,That does not answer the question. It is still a sexist
A Scientist-- We thought it seemed like there could now be way more missionaries
of both sexes who will be of similar age than previously..Not one of
the boys we know will take the 18 option, as they all want some experience
living away from home first, or for playing college sports first, so will do a
year of college and will serve when they are around 19. This will
mean they are just the same age as the girls who take the early option.
I still don't understand why women have to be older than men to serve
missions. That seems sexist, but nobody seems to care.Why can't
both men and women be treated equally and serve when they reach adulthood - 18
years old? What is the thinking?
It will definitely help girls "waiting" for their missionary, since now
they can serve, too. Awesome!