Could it be that "Brave Sir Robin" is jealous that more players
don't choose to go to Utah after their missions? Did Utah "poach"
Jake Murphy? As has been said so many times, some athletes change their minds
about where they want to be in college while they are on their missions.
Perhaps because of the strong Church influence of their missions, the numbers
are more in favor of BYU than not--I know it's really difficult to make
that correlation. But, again, Jake Murphy is not the only player to decommit
from or leave BYU after his mission, nor was Ben Olson. Let's move on from
this tired topic. Utah isn't BYU from a religious standpoint, so it never
will benefit from LDS players changing their minds like BYU does.
Dear Brave Sir Robin, Could you please point me to where you are getting
your information about these claims? Or is this all just your opinion. It
sounds very suspect to me, but if you have evidence to back up your opinion, I
would be interested. I do however doubt you have any reliable sources.
@BigBenzo88You're correct - Nelson was at Utah State,
redshirted a year, then went on a mission. While he was gone, BYU started
contacting his family, then him directly in the mission field, about
transferring to BYU...which of course he eventually did.To your
first point, it wasn't that hard for BYU to get in touch with him - they
just sent him letters, pressured his family into talking him into transferring,
and had his mission president "counsel" him.To your second
point, Riley Nelson is the reason the rule was created. It wasn't against
the rules at the time, it was just underhanded. Now it is against the rules.
Does BYU still do it? Well, talk to any highly-touted LDS athlete who was
serving a mission while committed to a different school...you'll get all
the proof you need.
@Brave Sir Robin - I'm not from Utah, nor are BYU, UU or USU any teams that
I follow. However, now that my son is being recruited by them...what they do
becomes relevant. I know who Riley Nelson is but never heard of an NCAA
"Riley Nelson Rule". Judging from your comments, I can only assume that
Nelson was going to school somewhere else and then during his mission BYU
contacted him and persuaded him to transfer to BYU.I still think it
would be difficult for BYU to do that for a couple reasons. First, having had a
son already serve a mission...I know that they only get to call home 4 times
during the 2 years and can only use email once a week and its a church
email...so I don't know how BYU would have been able to contact him.
Second, only Air Force, Navy and Army can pull a player that has already
committed or already played at another school and be able to transfer without
penalties.So, I don't know the whole story, but either you are
leaving something out or it didn't happen the way your are explaining.
@BYU Deek"Funny, this is also the NCAA rules regarding this same
issue."You have no idea how funny you sound right now. The NCAA
rule you refer to is known as "The Riley Nelson Rule", created because
BYU did exactly what you say they don't do: Poach a missionary who had
already signed with another school. If you think BYU doesn't do this then
you've got your head buried in the sand. The NCAA admits it....why
@ Brave Sir RobinBYU has never placed a gun against anyone's
head and forced them to sign a letter of intent. All of your allegations of BYU
poaching are misguided and unfounded. BYU's policy regarding missionaries
is, "We will not correspond with players that haven't signed with us,
unless they initiate contact." Funny, this is also the NCAA rules regarding
this same issue. Drop it, you're sounding like a whiny little child.
@Brave Sir Robin - I don't know about poaching, but it does bring up unique
situations. Usually a player will be in the program his Freshman year and be
able to learn the coaches, the plays and the expectations before leaving on
mission. Upon returning 2 years later, the kids have some idea of what is going
on.Now, most of the players will return at the beginning of what
would have been their Junior having never stepped foot on campus.
Translation: "We're going to poach, poach, and poach some more.
We're going to poach more missionaries than we even were before."
This was a pleasnt surprise when we heard this at conference. Since, I have a
son who is a senior and turns 18 this spring...a lot of questions have arisen.
He is currently being recruited by BYU, Utah State and a few out of state D-I
schools.Since he will now be leaving for a mission in
June...I'm wondering does he still apply for college and then request to
start in 2 years. Does he still sign his letter or intent in February?Should be interesting how this all turns out.