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Published: Tuesday, Oct. 9 2012 12:00 a.m. MDT

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The Real Maverick
Orem, UT

Using this logic, why even have elections then?

Why not just have a speaker of the senate and a speaker of the house and call it a day?

Crusader
Layton, UT

This letter is silly, even if the Dems won the house Pelosi would not be speaker again.

Utah Observer
West Jordan, Utah

What Brother Dyal neglects to mention is that his father was one of most liberal Mormon Democrats who ever served in Congress (California).

His argument is illogical that a vote by Matheson for Pelosi "is a step closer" for her to be Speaker. Most pundits agree that the GOP will retain control of the House. And Bro. Dyal forgets that in 2010, Matheson and his fellow Blue Dogs did not vote for Pelosi for Minority Leader, when the GOP took control. Why not vote for experience and leadership with a Matheson vote, the same argument that Republicans use when pushing for the re-election of Hatch?

When I compare Matheson versus Love, Matheson is the clear winner. It's the Republicans who can't stand having Matheson keep winning in strong Republican districts. He must be doing something right to warrant votes from moderate Republicans. Those and others uneasy with the Tea Party elements in their own party.

PeanutGallery
Salt Lake City, UT

Good letter. A vote for Matheson is a vote for Pelosi.

Makid
Kearns, UT

Matheson also has yet to vote for Pelosi to be speaker. So a vote for Matheson is not a vote for Pelosi. However, a vote for Mia is a vote for Boehner and a vote to stop or out right reverse the economic growth we have had as they won't compromise as that means losing to them.

Mike Richards
South Jordan, Utah

Why argue about what Matheson WOULD do? Why not look at his record and see what he DID, especially when his party put a little pressure on him to stand with them on so many, many votes.

He did not vote the will of the people of Utah; he did what his party to him to do.

It's in his record. You can see every vote that he cast during his twelve years in Congress.

I'm much more alarmed about what he DID than what he may do.

Grover
Salt Lake City, UT

Dems chance of taking back the House this time are slim and none. Boehner is being squeezed hard from his right. Look for Eric Cantor to try to stage a bloodless coup if the losses to their majority are substantial. Cantor would be a better fit for Mia Love. He sees the Tea party as his ticket to ride past Boehner to be the next Speaker. So how can as the letter suggests we think of the fourth district race as a "vote for Speaker"?

VST
Bountiful, UT

Preserve what economic growth? You call the following annual economic growth pattern (Gross Domestic Product) worth preserving?

3.0% – 4th Quarter 2011
2.0% – 1st Quarter 2012
1.3% – 2nd Quarter 2012

I call it anemic and headed in the wrong direction. Remember, when GDP goes negative, you are back into another recession.

VST
Bountiful, UT

In comparison to Dyal's Dad, I would unequivocally state that Nancy Pelosi's liberalism would make Ken Dyal look like a Barry Goldwater conservative. She is way out there where the "busses never run."

atl134
Salt Lake City, UT

@Crusader
"even if the Dems won the house Pelosi would not be speaker again."

I believe that she would be Speaker again if the Democrats regain the House. However... I don't think Democrats will regain the House, all that Republican gerrymandering (they have a ton of state legislatures and governorships) and the census adding some seats to red states and removing them from blue ones, will make it pretty difficult for Democrats to win the House even with a good showing where they retain the senate and presidency.

LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

This letter is silly beyond all reality.

This is ONLY true if Jim Matheson was a political party puritan ideologist [like the GOP has become with their no ideas, no solution, and no compromising].

Which he is NOT.

Jim Matheson is his own man, and BEST represents Utah - regardless of Party.

Sad that so many put their Party ahead of their Country.

J Thompson
SPRINGVILLE, UT

Liberal,

You can repeat a lie "ad infinitum", but that doesn't make your lie a fact. Jim Matheson voted with Pelosi and other Democrats whenever they "rattled his chain". The "facts" are there. Look them up. It's called a "voting record". Matheson's record is in plain view. Anyone, including his apologists, can look it up. Why don't you?

LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

J Thompson
SPRINGVILLE, UT
1:15 p.m. Oct. 9, 2012

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Did you ever stop to think that perhaps it is you [and those like you] who are out of step with the constituants Matheson represents?

It is also possilbe to vote AGAINST one's party.

That's called FREE-Agency -- something Conservative party puritians can't understand or support or come to grips with.

You can repeat a lie "ad infinitum", but that doesn't make your lie a fact.
It IS entirely possible to be a good Mormon AND a Democrat.

Mike Richards
South Jordan, Utah

Liberal,

You are entitled to your opinion, but you can't claim as "fact" that your OPINION is fact. That would be a lie and you, such a stalwart spokesman for the LDS community, would never lie, would you?.

"Free Agency" does not allow you to misrepresent "facts" to suit your purposes. Jim Matheson has a record. You can claim that his votes didn't mean anything. You can claim that he didn't vote party line, but that would not be the truth. His RECORD tells us otherwise.

No amount of "spin" or of outright lying can change the facts. Jim Matheson jumped when party leaders told him to jump. He is a pawn in their party. He voted with them, not with the citizens of Utah - your rhetoric, notwithstanding.

Shaun
Sandy, UT

@Mike Richards. What do you mean Matheson does not represent the citizens of Utah? There are Democrats in Utah believe it or not and even some moderates. Barrack Obama won Salt Lake county in 2008 but are lovely legislators keep on breaking up the county to dilute democrats voters.

J Thompson
SPRINGVILLE, UT

Shawn,

You don't have a clue, do you? Matheson wasn't elected to represent Democrats or Republicans; he represents the PEOPLE OF UTAH - all of the people of Utah. He doesn't represent just those who voted for him or those who might vote for him. He represents the mind and will of all the people of Utah.

Utah is the MOST CONSERVATIVE State in the nation. No liberal can represent the mind and will of people who are conservative. Jim Matheson is not conservative. He sometimes pretends to be conservative. When he is running for office, he pretends to be conservative, but he is not conservative.

Look at his record. He has voted. We can see how he voted. He did not represent the mind and will of the people of Utah when he voted.

Who did he represent? Not the people of Utah. Not the people whom he was elected to represent. He represented those who are like him - liberals who have nothing in common with the people of Utah.

Yes there are liberals living in Utah. No, they do not represent the mind and will of other Utahns.

lost in DC
West Jordan, UT

Shaun,
that would be "our lovely.." not "are lovely"

LDS lib,
a bit touchy, are we? Who said it was impossible to be a good mormon and a dem in this thread?

When goin for my jog through my neighborhood I pass one house with matheson signs thqt read "putting Utah first". The thought that ALWAYS comes to my mind is "Pelosi first"

Besides, why are you so hot and bothered about it? Matheson did not choose to run in your district. Obviously he can run in any disctrict he wanted to in the state - I guess he though the fourth gave him his best shot at re-election.

Curmudgeon
Salt Lake City, UT

Mike Richards, if Matheson doesn't represent the citizens of Utah, how did he get elected so many times? I know it will be hard, but try to wrap your mind around the fact that not everyone in Utah thinks like you.

J Thompson
SPRINGVILLE, UT

@ Curmudgeon,

Do you have a clue about what you asked?

Jim Matheson was elected because he is the son of Scott and Norma Matheson. He was elected because he ran in the 2nd District, where his parents were well known.

Do you really think that Jim Matheson would have been elected if ALL of the citizens of Utah had voted for or against him? The Constitution does not instruct us to divided the State into districts. It tells us only that we have the right to be represented by one Representative for every X-number of citizens, just like every other State in the Union.

It is a figment of your imagination, and of the Democrat Party, that Jim Matheson would have EVER been elected if the top three vote-getters had been sent to Washington.

He does not and he has never represented the PEOPLE of Utah. You may cheer him on because he represents you, but unless you are one of the most conservative people on earth, you are not representative of the people of Utah, and Jim Matheson, if he represents YOU, does not represent the State of Utah and its people.

Shaun
Sandy, UT

@J Thompson. I think you may be wrong. Sprinville and Utah county may be conservative but if you get out side of that bubble, there are people who are very moderate and even liberal. If Congressmen are suppose to represent all of the citizens where is representation from Chaffetz and Bishop for all the moderate and liberal citizens?

It seems to me you only want people who are conservatives to have representation.

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