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Published: Saturday, Oct. 6 2012 10:09 p.m. MDT

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gdog3finally
West Jordan, Utah

The Offensive Line was as good as they have been all year against USC. Stay strong and get better Utes. The toughest PAC 12 opponents have come in the first half of the schedule the last two years.

I still think Utah can win 7 games. They will have to win one of the next two @UCLA and @Oregon State. From there I see one loss the rest of the way, probably @ Washington. Utah will beat California, Arizona, Colorado, and Washington State. Utah would then finish 5-4 in the PAC 12 and 7-5 overall.

If the Offensive Line played the way they played Thursday, Utah would have steam rolled USU. Then again, maybe Wynn would have stayed healthy and Utah would have lost anyway.

Just like Doman needs to open up BYU's offense, Brian Johnson needs to put more on Hays plate as well. I think he is capable, but either way, Utah plays a schedule with teams who put points on the board. Defense can't do it all this year, and White IV can't carry the ball 40 times a game like last year. Of course his body has wear and tear now.

Hellooo
Salt Lake City, UT

It may be that it has to do with the league, but the fact is Utah has not been as good defensively this year and offensively both last year and this year. If they were in what would have been the MWC with Boise and TCU, it is difficult to believe they would have beat either of those teams last year and they would have had difficulty with San Diego State. The outcome of the Y game may, also have been different given the lost of their starting QB before what would have been and end of the season show down. This year a similar lost even with improvement by Mr. Hays has left the Utes as a very average team well below that of their last season in the MWC, which they were not able to win. The team is in a tough place right now, but they can compete and hopefully win this next game with UCLA.

golfrUte
SALT LAKE CITY, UT

With a weak offensive line and Brian Johnson as OC, we look like a train wreck. The USC defensive backs were quoted about how predictable the play calling was. Seriously, Brian Johnson was the best option for OC at a PAC 12 program?

Elk Hair Caddis
Sandy, UT

The UTEs should take a page from BYU's and Utah States note book. They do just fine playing in the PAC 12. Combined this year they are 2-1 against the PAC 12 and after next week they will be 3-1 against the PAC 12.

Having your logo plastered every where does not make a conference of champions or one that requires error free football to win.

Utah should have no problem winning a few games going forward as they start to play the lower tier teams going forward.

Of course error free football will be required when the UTEs face the Colorado juggernaut that lost to Sacremento State.....NOT

Duckhunter
Highland, UT

utah will eventually, with the enhanced recruiting utah "fans" are so fond of bragging about, raise themselves up to a middle to bottom of the pac team that competes regularly with wsu, osu, ua and cu, for 7th place. They may, on very rare occasions, compete for 3rd or 4th place, when they have a senior dominated team. That's the high water mark. I wonder if the other sports teams at utah will ever compete regularly.

gdog3finally
West Jordan, Utah

@Duckhunter

I don't think what you say is that far fetched, but I am more optimistic. That said, I would take being at the middle of the PAC 12 over being in the MWC. More good opponents means more to be excited about as a fan. I despised watching Utah and BYU play New Mexico, Wyoming, UNLV, and even Air Force with their chop blocks.

BYU is better off independent over the MWC (their schedule is improving each year). And Utah is better off int he PAC 12 as well. Not winning the PAC 12 doesn't mean a bad season. Not winning the MWC did mean that. A middle tier PAC 12 team gets a better bowl game. Think Utah's bowl game vs. BYU's last year. Remember when BYU was winning the MWC and playing a middle tier PAC 12 team in the Las Vegas Bowl?

Also, if BYU was in the PAC 12, they would be in the middle to bottom tier as well. Stop being jaded by your Ute dislike and BYU fandom. Be realistic yourself.

goinfishn
Orem, Utah

Utah was out coached in the USC game.

Duckhunter
Highland, UT

@gdog

I'm not "jaded by ute dislike". I really cannot see any reason to believe they will ever be any more than those other prgrams I listed. Frankly several of those programs have some decided advantages over utah in geography, money, name brands, etc.

I do understand fan optimism however but I am not convinced utah fans are really going to enjoy being mid to lower tier in that conference over the decades. There is a honeymoon of sorts going on right now between utah and its "fans". Not guys like you, you'll stick around, but the fair weather and bandwagon types which unfortunately constitute a very large percentage of utah's fanbase. We can already see this by how quickly res empties out when the games aren't going utah's way. The place was half empty about 2 minutes into the 4th when usc pulled ahead. You can see it at the hc any game you want to attend with the exception of the BYU game.

I'm glad you like it, and of course that is what all utah fans will claim, but for most of them I don't believe it. Not long term.

NightOwlAmerica
SALEM, OR

Why do you care what Ute fans think about being in the PAC 12 Duckhunter?
Go find your own conference. I Know, I know. Being independent is wonderful. It's so great that Idaho and New Mexico St. joined you. But if a conference respected you, they would take your fan base, ESPN contract and WAC legacy.

Crickets chirping.

Duckhunter
Highland, UT

@nightynight

"Why do you care....Duckhunter?"

Because I live here. Because I enjoy college football. Because I pay taxes. Because I enjoy sticking it to utah "fans" like yourself. Because it is fun and interesting. Lots of reasons nightynight.

It is unfortunate that more of you guys aren't like gdog. He is far and away the best utah fan on these boards. Loves his team, will defend them when they are maligned, but is also reasonable and a pretty nice guy. If you were more like him then perhaps I would be as well. But sadly I am here because you guys are all over BYU articles and were all over BYU articles long before I came to any utah articles. I know it bothers you, and I'm happy that it does.

WACPaddingOurSchedule
pocatello, ID

Duckhunter, you did not even answer the question asked by the Owl.
Everyone already knows you live here like an occupy movement in some park.
And what does paying taxes have to do with this anyway?

Riddles in the Dark
Olympus Cove, Utah

WACpaddled

Here's a little reality check:

Utah is 0-1 in the WAC and 0-2 in the PAC
BYU is 1-0 in the WAC and 1-1 in the PAC
Utah State is 1-0 in the PAC

There are many BYU and Utah State fans who previously supported the Utes (except when they played the Cougars and the Aggies) who no longer support the Utes simply because of the over-the-top arrogance of Utah fans since the Utes were fortuitously invited to join the PAC.

Sorry to burst your crimson bubble, but simply being a member of any particular conference doesn't make U any better than any other program, regardless of conference.

Current Sagarin Ratings:
#21 BYU(4-2)
#37 No Dakota St(5-0)
#42 La Tech(5-0)
#49 San Jose St(4-1)
#51 Utah(2-3)
#53 USU(4-2)

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For BYU fans, some intriguing scores for comparison:

#10/#14 Oregon St 19
Washington St 6

Brigham Young 30
Washington St 6

CG
Orem, UT

It's becoming more and more obvious that Utah fans grossly over-estimated how competitive the Utes were going to be in their new conference. Reality is finally starting to settle in and the kids on the hill are beginning to accept Utah's role as the 2011 incarnation of Arizona - 30 years in the conference and still looking for its first Rose Bowl.

midpacmajor
Salt Lake City, Utah

"We can beat anybody in this league. It's open, said White...

Unfortunately, the flip side of that argument is more applicable, the Utes can lose to ANYBODY in this league, and have already proven so.

The assumption by many Utah fans that all the Utes had to do to win the PAC championship was beat USC has been disproven.

Of course, any objective fan could have predicted that a program that's only won 6 WAC/MWC championships in the last 50 years, might take decades to win a PAC championship.

NightOwlAmerica
SALEM, OR

WACPaddingOurSchedule said:

"Duckhunter, you did not even answer the question asked by the Owl.
Everyone already knows you live here like an occupy movement in some park.
And what does paying taxes have to do with this anyway?"

You left something out. Living on this website gives a poster plenty of time to create more avatars. Just look at the three posts that followed yours.

NightOwlAmerica
SALEM, OR

Riddles in the Dark said:

"WACpaddled

Here's a little reality check.....:

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For BYU fans, some intriguing scores for comparison:

#10/#14 Oregon St 19
Washington St 6

Brigham Young 30
Washington St 6"

Sorry. Your choice of words is not accurate. College football fans around the country do not identify with how BYU fans see reality.

And one game does not a season make, does it?
BYU plays Oregon St. What will be the excuses coming out of LES if BYU loses that game?

Uteology
East Salt Lake City, Utah

@Duckhunter
They may, on very rare occasions, compete for 3rd or 4th place, when they have a senior dominated team. That's the high water mark. I wonder if the other sports teams at utah will ever compete regularly.

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You should instead be wondering when you football team would be able to compete with Utah and be thankful that you don't play a real schedule.

BYU under Bronco: 11-12 vs BCS teams
BYU as Indy: 3-3 vs BCS teams (3-5 if you include TCU 2011 and Boise 2012)
Last 3 years: 5-11 vs real teams

Utah is on the right track, PAC-12 recruiting is the key. For now we just have to deal with a rookie OC and a D2 QB. As one post said, at least the OL was better last week.

GO UTES!!

Duckhunter
Highland, UT

@waccypaddly

Of course I answered his question, those reasons are why I am here.

As for the taxpayer part, well utah is owned by the state of utah of which I am a resident and taxpayer. I have a vested interest in the university and what it does so I pay attention. Just more delusional utah "fan" thinking that someone has to decide to root for utah's athletic programs to have an interest in them. Take yourself for instance, I have no idea if you even attended utah but the odds are pretty good you didn't, most of utah's "fans" did not attend. They just decided they were going to be "fans". So how come just because they decided to be "fans" do you think they have any more right to pay attention, follow, or any other thing than I do?

The truth is that like all utah "fans" you are incredibly thin skinned and are part of the "can dish it but can't take it" crowd. And you're not alone. That is typical of utah "fans". You'll bash BYU but anything negative about utah and you get offended and indignant.

LOL!

WACPaddingOurSchedule
pocatello, ID

Duckhunter
Highland, UT
@waccypaddly

Of course I answered his question, those reasons are why I am here.

As for the taxpayer part, well utah is owned by the state of utah of which I am a resident and taxpayer. I have a vested interest in the university and what it does so I pay attention. Just more delusional utah "fan" thinking that someone has to decide to root for utah's athletic programs to have an interest in them.

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Interesting. I don't see tithe paying Ute fans here talk about how the funds should be spent at BYU. Yet you all of a sudden have a fascination with taxes at the U of U.

yankees27
Heber, Utah

Being part of a bigger more powerful conference will take time to adjust to. Obviously most of us knew that. It's the "others" the more vocal ones, who said it would happen immediately. I pointed out earlier, that Arizona hasn't been to the Rose Bowl, and ASU, WSU, OreST have only been like 3 times in the over 40 years of the conference, so we may get there soon, or not at all. But, I agree with the poster who said that it's better to be where we are now, than the WAC, or MWC. Honestly, it sucked to lose to USC, like it sucks to lose to anyone, but the caliber of football is way higher and much more fun to watch in the PAC 12. So, ya, there will be some winning seasons and losing seasons, but that's just the nature of sports and competition.

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