BYU also beat weber state who I believe is part of the beehive boot. Not that
anyone really cares. Kind of like the deseret duel or whatever it is
called.At any rate, none of the teams are great this year.
BYU's Defense is great but the O is really struggling. Just
glad for the win tonight.Utah wanting to kill the rivalries is going
in the wrong direction. They are going to be the doormat of the pac 12 and not
have any local rivalries. Their fans are going to be jumping ship really fast.
Right now they are hyped to have a team like USC come into town but by the third
or fourth time of getting beat down, the glitter is going to wear off. They
should be doing everything they can to keep some local interest but they
aren't.I hope they don't regret it 5 years down the road.
I thought the Wagon Wheel was only between Utah State and BYU? I think you mean
who gets the Beehive Boot!
No, they don't. Here's why:Utah needed the luck of a
field goal try clanking off the upright to claim victory, on the last play of
the game, against BYU.USU needed overtime and an offensive pass
interference call against the Utes, at the very end of the game, against
Utah.BYU was ahead after the first half against USU, but played well
enough that USU never scored a touchdown, didn't score after the first
quarter, and was in control of both the scoreboard and the football at the end
of regulation.While all 3 games were close, BYU's defeat of USU
was by the largest margin.....look at the stats and the number of quarters BYU
has gone without letting opponents score a touchdown. USU coughed up the game
the last half-minute of the first half; the other games went to the final play
or overtime.So BYU's claim is the strongest. I
wish Mendenhall hadn't played Riley hurt and that Nelson had enough courage
to decide the best thing for the team was for him to rest, not play at
less-than-capacity.But it has been an interesting year!!!
This is exactly how I hoped it would end after the Aggies beat the Utes and the
Utes beat us. Now we can all be friendly to each other and look to win the rest
of our scheduled games. That can only be great for the state of Utah
football.As for the game, kudos to the two freshmen, Hill and
Williams of the offense. They truly were the stars although I wished the
offense as whole would stop making stupid mistakes over and over. And that kid
that caused a flag from the outside was just lame. There was no excuse for
that. On the other hand, the defense as always, was superb! That Van Noy and
Ansah led defense is a force to reckon with! They're a joy to watch!Go Cougars! And good luck to the Utes and Aggies too!
Dick, BYU retains the Wagon Wheel because of the victory over USU. It's the
Beehive Boot that is in question because of the three way tie.
Best in State?In State BYU is 2-1 with wins over WAC and Big Sky
opponents and a loss to a PAC-12 opponent. USU is 2-1 with wins over
PAC-12 and Big Sky opponents and a loss to a IND opponent.The U is 1-1
with a win over a IND opponent and a loss to a WAC opponent.Weber State is
0-1 with a loss to a IND opponent.SUU is 0-1 with a loss to a WAC
opponent.BYU and USU have the best in state records, so deciding
best in state between them should come down to the game between opponents SUU
and Weber State when they play each other in Cedar City on Oct 20th.My money is on SUU for that game.
BYU, Utah State, Weber State, and Dixie can all claim being the best, but in the
end, it's the Cougs.
@ toosmart"BYU's defeat of USU was by the largest margin.....look
at the stats... So BYU's claim is the strongest" Good thing
wins and losses aren't determined by offensive stats and that the
scoreboard plays a role in the outcome of the game. Defenses that cause
turnovers and good special teams can negate offensive stats.You will
remember that the field goal off the upright would have never happened because
Utah had already beat BYU the first time with the block. Since Utah beat BYU
twice in that game does that make Utah #1? Nobody really knows who
the best team is. Lets just sit down watch conference and hope that we hear an
address about being honest with ourselves.
I'm not sure anybody would want bragging rights this year, since none of
them is any good. Sadly if the question could be resolved, the difference
between the best team and the next best is very slim.Oh well,
here's hoping we can all finish out strongly. Big picture, I think Utah
State is the only team who increased their national credibility--my cougars and
the Utes have had lots of fairly boring nationally televised games, and
haven't done their brands amy favors, or by extension the State of
Utah's brand.Go cougars.
The only thing that we know for sure is that BYU, Utah, and Utah State are all
the best in state....on their home field. I think that if any of the teams had
played the others in their own stadium they would be 2-0 right now. In any
case, all of them have looked pretty mediocre most of the time anyway,
especially compared to teams from big name programs out of state.
"Every team has a claim as best in the state..."Based on
head-to-head results only, but as everyone knows, best team is ALWAYS determined
by best record, with head-to-head used only in tie-breakers.Look no
further than the PAC south last season. Utah beat UCLA, but which team
represented the division in the PAC 12 championship? Colorado beat Utah, but not
even Colorado fans would be so delusional to think that Colorado was a better
team than Utah.Bottom line:BYU beat Utah State by 3Utah State beat Utah by 3Utah beat BYU by 3BYU and Utah
State are tied with 4-2 records; Utah only has a 2-3 record (sorry Utes, you
don't get credit for LOSING to better teams; ANYBODY can do that)BYU(4-2) > USU(4-2) > Utah(2-3)
phantombladeAll three teams are close - great defenses, mediocre
offenses, but any objective fan would have to agree with your argument, that
best record is the most important factor in determining best team.As
another blogger suggestedBYU - 1AUSU - 1BUtah - 1C
Ironmomo:According to your analysis, USU and BYU would be the only
ones considered because of their 2-1 record. Therefore, you would go with their
head to head game to determine who is 'better', not the outcome of two
other teams playing each other. I think you're just trying to stretch it
for USU who is clearly the #2 in the state.
From the article:"Perhaps that is a starting point for offensive
coordinator Brandon Doman."Holy Cow! We're 6 games into the
season! Why can't these coaches have the kinks worked out by the first
Give it to no one! Just keep it on the shelf and send everyone home with their
juice boxes. No team deserves it this year.
SportsFan"All three teams are close - great defenses, mediocre
offenses..."We're getting to the point in the season where
we have a large enough sample size that the stats don't lie, and the stats
agree, all three teams have great defenses and mediocre offenses, giving BYU the
slight edge over Utah State overall, with Utah coming in a distant third,
overall.Total Offense#54 USU 417 ypg#71 BYU 398 ypg#116 Utah 299 ypgTotal Defense#5 BYU 227 ypg#11 USU
211 ypg#29 Utah 330 ypg
Utah state beat Utah by 7 not 3...just saw a few had that confused
BYU's victory stopped the blather from Aggies fans. Please BYU fans,
don't diminish the win with smack talk. This year Best in State exists only
in the mind of the fan and no one else cares.
Many Y fans here crowning themselves king of the state. Priceless. justfax, do you think playing Hawaii, Weber State and Washington State had
anything to do with BYU having the best stats? Those numbers would look a bit
different had the Y played USC and ASU.
bribri86:You need to do a little research on the Beehive boot before
you post. Let me help you out. The Beehive boot, signifying football supremacy
in the state "is awarded annually to the Utah school with the best record
against its instate NCAA Division I foes". Div 1 teams include USU, BYU,
Utah, Weber State and now SUU who recently joined the Big Sky Conference this
year.USU and BYU are both 2-1 against in state opponents as previously
stated. "In case of a tie, the winner is chosen by vote of the
in-state media"...not your made up definition of "head to head"
competition.Because there is a tie between USU and BYU, I would
think the media would would wait to see the outcome of the Weber State/SUU
matchup. It only makes sense.
@ U 90Just how does Utah beat BYU twice? Whittingham claimed they
won 3 times. Nice spin job. When actually playing the entire game by the
rules, Utah sqeaked out a victory by mere inches on a failed field goal. Had it
been 4 inches to the right, OT at SLC. But it wasn't and Utah gets the
"W". I'm ok with that, but not Utah claiming they won multiple
times. Play by the rules for the entire game and then claim victory (once)
after everything is said and done.Isn't it interesting how Ute
partisans joked about BYU fans rushing the field after a victory and they almost
cost themselves the game in SLC by doing it? That's too rich......It has been an interesting season without any local team being great,
although either BYU or USU would be undefeated if their kicking game was up to
par. Utah certainly can't say that.
toosmart,It's called satire.... Utah beating BYU twice. My point was that me using Utah beating BYU twice was about as iron clad
as as your pathetic arguments. There is no "best team" in the state
although I'm sure you will continue to spin otherwise.
Give respect when its earned,Cougars defense is scary good. Other than that not
impressed with Offense,Special teams,Overall Coaching,or Coaching Decisions.By
the way huge Utah fan and feel the exact same way about them by the way. But
dismising parts of the game to make a case for being undefeated is Laughable.But
I should be used to that same babble from cougar fans because its same song and
dance ever year. Like me saying other than being small,weak,and not being able
to hit a curveball i would have been in the bigs.Im not in the Bigs,and you
haven't been undefeated in 28 yrs.Utah is 5-1 with cougars
schedule.Beat USU at home,Lose at Boise. Argue that point?Like to
know last time Cougars have lost a game in eyes of cougar fans? Utah has been
beaten by 2 better teams the last 2 games. See how easy that was!
I would have to say Utah State is slightly better than the Y overall. With BYU
in second of course followed by my Utes. That was one boring game last night, as
bad as BYU vs Boise. BYU does have a great defense, but I don't think they
have really been tested yet. Utah's offense is pretty bad and they
couldn't shut them out. Or give the Y a win. I think USU and the Y finish
the season with a better record than the Utes. Only because Utah has a tougher
schedule with the much improved PAC 12 teams this year and the Utes struggling
as they are. Most current SOS has USU at 115, BYU at 85, and Utah at
59. So I don't think Utah State or BYU have really been tested yet. Or
proven themselves yet. Boise is horrible this year, so don't count that.If BYU and Utah win even 2 out of their next three, I would be surprised. Not
to mention, I heard Hill my be out with a knee injury. Best of luck to all Utah
The Big Sky Conference is not a D1 Conference people! Byu and Utah State only
had 1 good qurter when they play Utah, Utah out played both of them they where
up 24-7 over byu and out scored utah state 20-7 in the final 3 had whould have
won if the fre's could call a play right.
@Scots"The Big Sky Conference is not a D1 Conference people"Yes, actually it would be if the D1 classification still existed. The
Big Sky was Division 1AA. BYU and Utah were Division 1A. D1 has been
reclassified as Football Bowl Subdivision(Division 1A) and Football Championship
Subdivision (Division 1AA). Then there is Division II, which Dixie State is a
member of, and finally Division III.
Utah State doesn't have a claim. Now before I get any Utah State
fan's on my back let me just say this. Let's wait til the bowl
season. Whoever gets into a bowl and can actually win the bowl game can then
say "We are the best in the state of Utah".
Utes claim they would have won but for an offensive pass interference call.
True, but play by the rules for the entire length of the game. If you
don't want the penalty, don't commit the foul. Otherwise, its like
whinning after you get pulled over by a Cop for doing something stupid when
driving. (As Norm Chow would say "No excuses.")USU fans
still maintain they are better than BYU, but the score and game stats say
otherwise. Nice dream job.While the three games weren't
anything but close, the largest margin of victory at the earliest point in the
game belongs to BYU against USU. Admitedly, there isn't mush of an
advantage by any team over any other, all winning at home.
@toosmartforyou?Largest margin of victory actually goes to the
Aggies, sorry... They beat Utah by 7. I stand by what I have said before that
there are currently 3 #1's in the state... Utah, BYU, USU... We can talk
about stats, defense, missed chances... They all happened for the losing team...
Utah - offensive pass interference, BYU - botched field goal, USU - botched
field goal... The media will decide later, but for now we can talk all we want
and the decision still will be made later... Anyone know when they decide? If
its at the end of the season could be BYU or USU, Utah's record won't
be so great... USU should finish 9-3, BYU 8-4... I agree that going by the bowl
game would work... Both play San Jose St., at SJST, which could tell a lot.
Frankly BYU's bowl game should be a walk in the park, if they are 6-6 they
will play a MWC team... The MWC is horrid this year... The WAC is better. USU
still has to play extremely well for a bowl game since the WAC has only 1