In August the economy added 120,000+ net jobs and the rate of unemployment
dropped .002, now in Sept the economy adds 114,000+ jobs and the unemployment
rate drops .003. Does anyone really trust these numbers?
When Cons loose a talking point, they loose their minds.
re: BU52 5:20 p.m. Oct. 5, 2012And Faux News has alot of
commentators who make Oscar look like an optimist.
Economist, Obama brought this upon himself by changing the way deportations are
counted, and then bragging about it. Reading the article "Most
of the increase in employed Americans came from those who had to settle for
part-time work: 582,000 more people reported that they were working part-time
last month but wanted full-time jobs." it's not getting better. The
rise is due to people looking for full time work accepting part time jobs. How the BLS counts unemployment has been under fire for years, by both
Listen guys. The multitude of conspiracy theories to explain trends - like the
latest polling or the recent BLS Unemployment Number - isn't helping the
national dialogue. The Bureau of Labor and Statistics is a venerable
Institution that takes pride in holding itself to the highest level of integrity
with regard to statistical data and research methods.When Obama lost
the 1st Presidential Debate, even we liberals had to concede that fact
(regardless of the reasoning). The tendency to view events through your
ideological lense is most compelling when your perception doesn't quite fit
the reality of unfolding events. However, manufacturing a conspiracy takes
denial to a whole new level as there is collateral damage in the wake of the
fall out. Damage in the form of the public's trust in such otherwise
unquestionable institutions like the BLS has repercussions that outweigh the
political expediency of the moment.I'm asking each of you Grown
Adults to please stop. Stop with the partisan nonsense and the unfounded
accusations. Just stop.
Here is the problem with the numbers. Just two days prior CNN and other
networks were predicting the unemployment rate would go UP to 8.3%. What is not
registered in the unemployment numbers nor have they ever been which
automatically skews the numbers is that anyone who is unemployed but draws a
pension is ineligible for unemployment. Therefore, there number is not counted
in the numbers given. The whole unemployment numbers have always been skewed
and are actually higher than the 7.8%. They are closer to 15%.
I wonder *how* they arrive at these numbers.When I talk to people, instead
of reading, about the unemployment *rate*, I have the feeling that the numbers
are skewed to say the least.When a lot of people just give up looking for
work, then it *looks* like the rate goes down.
Don't you know? If anything is positive for Obama it's a lie or
rigged. If anything is positive for Romney it's the truth. Even if that
same thing (say a poll) is positive for Obama and then positive for Romney.
Well, at first it was wrong, but now it's right. Far right partisans will
believe anything they are told in a random email or hear on Rush, etc, even when
it strains credulity.
Utah Blue Devil: If you look at the U-6 numbers the unemployment number is 14.7
percent. That is unchanged from last month. Using a survey of households to
determine the overall unemployment number has not been used before, only the
employer number. You may delude yourself into thinking that unemployment is
better, but the numbers in this report once you get past their fraud tell a
different story. We still have 23.2 million people out of work or underemployed
that had full time jobs. We still have an employment participation rate that is
at it's lowest level in 30 years. Our GDP growth rate is at 1.3 percent,
again the lowest in over 30 years. If you understand at all what you are talking
about, you can see that the actual numbers tell a different story than the fraud
the Obama administration is telling us.
Coleman51... "A survey of households to determine the numbers of people
getting jobs rather than the employer numbers is unprecedented and to claim that
876,000 jobs were created from this survey is at best a guess. "Well, it is the way it has been done for decades. This all of a sudden
"the numbers are rigged" claims is simply silly because if Obama could
rig the numbers, he would have done it a long time ago. The logic that for 3
years he rigged them high, then later he rigs them lower is so illogical it
makes ones head hurt trying to justify statements like this.I
particularly love how a certain part of the population loves to believe the bad
news, and yet where there is positive news... well then it is all suspect and
the methodology is wrong. If the methodology is wrong with news is good, it
must be equally wrong with the numbers are negative.Prelax... read
the whole report.. July and August numbers were also revised up 40,000 plus each
month. These are self reported numbers by companies themselves, and often
trickle in late. Part times is not a new factor here.
I notice not many Obama supporters are responding to this 7.8% news. Guess they
realize that the "Truth is Out There".Re: Steve WarrenThe real consistency is that the unemployment rate now is exactly what
it was when Obama took office almost 4 years ago. Now that's consistency!!
Not progress, but consistency.
These numbers are as fraudulent as they can be. A survey of households to
determine the numbers of people getting jobs rather than the employer numbers is
unprecedented and to claim that 876,000 jobs were created from this survey is at
best a guess. There is no question that the jobs number is much lower and that
is reflected by the employer numbers which has always been used before. The U-6
numbers show no change in the economy and that shows us in a recession. But
fraud is rampant in the Obama campaign and shows in these numbers.
Nobody (except demo spinners) have suggested killing off Big Bird, Just get him
off the dole. If he's that important then he can make it in the
capitalistic TV market. Afterall MSNBC hires lots of people who make less sense
than a 7 foot yellow bird, he could follow-up Chris Matthews or Rev. Al.
Those hoping for economic gloom need to get over it...or get a job.
The article said that unemployment went down .6 percent. The drop was caused by
people taking part time work. Is this like his deportation numbers?
oh the season of conspiracy theories is upon us now that the election cycle is
here. what a sadly predictable response from the right.
I suggest that voters look at the article all over The NET today
denouncing these numbers as being ginned up by Labor and Hilda Solis . Even the
DC MSM elites laughed at her figures and she said she was OFFENDED. Well I am
offended at manipulated numbers for Obama's election efforts. Jack Walsh of
GE fame said these were pulled out of the air. Underemployment is near 12% and
millions have left the labor force. The numbers are fake but Obama went out on
the trail today lying about them and Romney and then warned anybody who would
criticize 'his numbers; as talking down the economy. LOL
This rosy new jobs report has allowed Romney to silence critics who unfairly
claim he is inconsistent and a flip-flopper. Here's why: When unemployment
rose, he attacked Obama. When unemployment stayed the same, he attacked Obama.
Today, after unemployment dropped, he attacked Obama.That's
Congratulations, Mr. President, just think what you could do if you tried to
convince people not to apply for jobs. I, myself, probably did a great service
to the economy when I quit work at age 34.
On the topic of Big Bird getting fired...I think it's been coming for
years. The bird wanders around endlessly...talks at length to others who are
trying to work or learn...and seems like a trouble maker in general. He must be a union bird or knows someone or is related to someone who works at
Sesame Street. He's under-produced for years and it's finally going
to catch up to him.
I'm not big on conspiracy theories but the unemployment rate dropping .3%
in the month preceding the general election doesn't quite pass the sniff
How convenient. They make a mistake last quarter and made up for it this
quarter. A little too convenient, don't you think? Besides, how may now
jobs are part time seasonal workers?
The Obama White House needed to come up with something fast after his terrible
debate in Colorado, so now we get MORE phony unemployment numbers. What a
Gotta get those books cooked before the election. We have fewer people working
now than we had when Obama took office, and we have a record number of people
who have left the work force and simply given up. But for a populace comprised
of many who don't even know who's buried in Grant's Tomb, this
will be adequate to make them stay committed to their favorite politician of all
Well...if the government says it...it must be so!! What fortunate timing.
Hyperbole at its finest.
It sure is going to be funny when in the next debate Romney tells America that
the unemployment rate tonight at 7.8% is exactly what it was the day Obama took
office. Wow, what progress. And it only took 6 trillion dollars of added debt
to achieve it. Yeah, let's have four more years of that!!
Well, It is only because the Christmas rush is comming.It will go up in January.
By the way no one is canning Big bird.
The headline is a bit simplistic, don't you think?
It will go up by one if Big bird gets canned.
Well, there goes that GOP talking point.