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Published: Friday, Oct. 5 2012 12:00 a.m. MDT

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JoeBlow
Far East USA, SC

"it will literally destroy all of the alternative health care systems. All of the existing health insurance companies will be put out of business."

Are you suggesting that these things happened in Massachusetts? If not, then your claim is unsupportable.

Curmudgeon
Salt Lake City, UT

"When Obamacare gets fully entrenched it will literally destroy all of the alternative health care systems. All of the existing health insurance companies will be put out of business.”

Blaine obviously does not comprehend the ACA, which will ADD 30 million new customers to the insurance companies' rolls. It's unfortunate that Congress didn't enact a single-payer system like expanded Medicare for all Americans, not just those over 65. But even that would not necessarily destroy private health insurance, as insurance companies could offer private plans to cover medical costs not covered under Medicare, as they do now.

Furry1993
Ogden, UT

Romneycare IS the same as "Obamacare". Obamacare is directly derived from Romneycare, which was enacted in reliance on a proposed program developed by the ultra-conservative (far right wing) Heritage Foundation. Romneycare, at the behest of the Republicans, even has the mandate which requires everyone to have insurance. I really find it amusing that the far right is now contending against the exact program the proposed to counter Hillary Clinton's health care initiative. That appears quite hypocritical to me.

LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

The letter is one huge AM radio hyperbole.

But all I can say is the letter writer has NEVER;

Lived in another State,
Never lost a job,
Never had someone in his family he's responsible for all ill.

Maybe he should consider himself "Lucky" in life,
and stop being so condesending and judgemental of those who haven't been so blessed and perhaps showing some compassion [i.e., putting yourself in someone elses shoes] and think about the other 350 Million Americans instead of just himself and his circumstances.

Mike Richards
South Jordan, Utah

Obamacare is not about "care", it is about allowing the federal government to take another 18% of our income. The debate made it very clear that a fifteen person government panel would make all "health care decisions". Under Romney's plan, the doctors and hospitals were free to make all health-care decisions. Under Obamacare, one size has to fit everyone. Under Romney's plan, you could pick and choose any insurance plan that met your needs.

The biggest problem, as Romney also pointed out, is that the 10th Amendment requires that healthcare be left to the States; it is not a duty of the Federal Government. Obama ignores the Constitution. He wants that 18% so badly that he would set aside the Constitution and his oath of office to uphold the Constitution to get his hands on the money.

It is already evident that Obamacare has cost each family an average of $2,500 in higher premiums and that it will cost hundreds of thousands of jobs, if fully implemented. When no one is working, who will pay the costs?

JoeBlow
Far East USA, SC

" it is about allowing the federal government to take another 18% of our income."

How much of our income was taken when Mr Bush and the GOP congress instituted Medicare Part D?
What was the cost to our income and deficit when we decided to start wars in Iraq and Afghanistan?
How much of our income is taken when healthcare costs continue to rise exponentially?

Mike, I can appreciate your concern for government spending. What I do not understand is that you seem to only rail against the govt spending when the Dems do it.

You seem to think that if we all vote "R" that the same kind of spending will not continue.
There is not anything the Obama has done that is any more "socialistic" than what past Republicans have done. That certainly applies to healthcare.

In reality, the country does not run much different no matter who is in control.

I never understand why people are so enamored with their party, either right or left.
And you are as immersed in that ideology as much as anyone I know.

I just don't get it.

Makid
Kearns, UT

Mike, there is no one size fits all with regards to Obamacare. It uses private insurance companies. The companies are the ones that determine what is covered, what isn't, what levels of coverage to allow and so forth.

Obamacare is a boon to the insurance companies. There are no options within Obamacare that do not use those insurance companies. This is the same as it is with Romneycare.

The 15% that you hear on the radio has been debunked but the talking heads just ignore it to cause simple minded listeners to freak out and avoid wanting Obamacare (Even though it was there idea).

The IRS has stated that they will not enforce any penalty tax on someone who doesn't buy insurance. If they won't enforce it, then it isn't a penalty because there is nothing to force you to purchase it.

Obamacare hasn't even gone into effect but people are blaming it for increasing the costs of healthcare. How can something that isn't there raising rates? Once the new additions are made, the costs will decrease as the burden expands beyond the current users.

Screwdriver
Casa Grande, AZ

One painted red and the other is painted blue. It's the same car of conservative design.

If you don't like Obamacare you should call the Heritage Foundation.

Mad Hatter
Provo, UT

And Romney was taking credit for being the "grandfather" of Obamacare until those in his base learned that he was bragging about his "moderate credentials" before a general audience.

Romney is many things to many people. As Andrew Sullivan wrote in the Daily Beast, Romney is very skilled at closing the deal. The first debate was critical. He rose up, according to Michael Gerson, but now is having to backtrack on various statements he made in appealing to the millions of people watching. His "moderate" views expressed in the debate have upset many in his Party. They don't understand that he was only doing what was necessary to "close the deal".

Romney is notorious for telling his audience what they want to hear. He is good at varying his message to suit the prospective customer. However, one can be certain that his plan is always to adhere to the ultimate goal of reducing taxes on the rich and cutting the costs of government by eliminating programs the poor and middle-class have come to depend on.

He, like the missionary who gets the door slammed in his face, just picks up and moves to the next house.

William Gronberg
Payson, UT

This letter is a wonderful example of one of the major problems with many letters that are selected for print.

Inaccuracy of facts does not disqualify letters being printed.

Truthseeker
SLO, CA

Re:Mike Richards

Romney repeatedly claimed that a new government board was “going to tell people ultimately what kind of treatments they can have.” Not true. It could make some binding recommendations about such things as what drugs or medical devices would be paid for by Medicare, but it has no legal power to dictate treatment or ration care.

The board is a 15-member panel that’s tasked with finding ways to slow the growth of Medicare spending. So, its work concerns Medicare, not everyone seeking health care. And, according to the law, the board can’t touch treatments or otherwise “ration” care, or restrict benefits.

Roland Kayser
Cottonwood Heights, UT

The letter forgot to mention that Obamacare will usher in the Zombie Apocalypse.

J Thompson
SPRINGVILLE, UT

Those who have taken the time to read the Obamacare bill from cover to cover and then taken the time to note the problems with the bill will never want Obamacare. We are NOT free to change insurance companies. A "secretary" will decide who is covered and what is covered. The government has listed the cost of healthcare at 18%, which will be funnelled into the treasury as Obamacare ramps up and as people are forced to buy insurance from the government.

The IRS WILL collect the tax. The IRS collects taxes from those who owe them - no matter what lies Obama tells us about Obamacare NOT being a tax and, now that it has been declared a tax by the Supreme Court, that he will not enforce the collection of that tax. Just how does he propose to pay for the services, by writing rubber checks as he has done for $5 TRILLION of expenditures?

Just because Obama said that it is based on Romney's bill doesn't make it true. Read Obamacare. Don't be fooled by Obama's lies.

Kent C. DeForrest
Provo, UT

"When Obamacare gets fully entrenched it will literally destroy all of the alternative health care systems." If only.

Seems to me this is the major problem with American health care. We have too many systems. And even with all of them, we still leave millions of people out in the cold.

Folks, we don't have to reinvent the wheel. There are, right now, 40 or 50 health-care systems in the world that we could simply adopt and be far better off than we are with our schizophrenic hodge-podge of health-care chaos. We pay twice as much per capita as the next most expensive system and are ranked lower than several Third World countries. Yes, we are exceptional. And we'll be more so if the Republicans take over.

Salsa Libre
Provo, UT

Mike Richards South Jordan, Utah

"The biggest problem, as Romney also pointed out, is that the 10th Amendment requires that healthcare be left to the States; it is not a duty of the Federal Government."

From your ideological and conservative interpretation of the Constitution, can I assume that you are opposed to both Social Security and Medicare? It appears that you would want these two programs eliminated and the states develop something similar for their respective residents.

Just to be accurate, you oppose any program not specifically mandated in the Constitution as you interpret it, is that correct? So you oppose public funding of EVERYTHING AND ANYTHING beyond defense? You don't like the interstate transit program under Eisenhower? You don't like the EPA under Nixon? And we've already mentioned that you don't like Medicare under Lyndon Johnson.

Does this mean that if Utah develops excellent programs for its residents, people from other states should move there to take advantage of these good programs? It could be like moving across state borders looking for the best health insurance. One could almost see Utah replacing Florida as an ideal retirement destination.

Steve C. Warren
WEST VALLEY CITY, UT

"The citizens of Massachusetts like it. They voted for it."

Massachusetts citizens did not vote for it. The State Legislature voted for it, just as the U.S. legislature (Congress) voted for Obamacare. But you're right to say citizens of Massachusetts like it, just as U.S.citizens will like the very similar Obamacare once it is fully implemented.

"All of the existing health insurance companies will be put out of business. All of their employees will be laid off; equipment and facilities will be sold or discarded and when they are gone it will be almost impossible to get them back."

True, but health insurance companies don't provide health care, they merely create mountains of insurance paperwork as they drive up costs by competing for the preferred customers and try to disqualify the less-attractive customers. Perhaps the laid-off employees will find new job opportunities in a more vigorous health-care industry that focuses on health care rather than health insurance.

Whatever
Springville, UT

This letter is completely useless. All Glenn Beck/Faux News/AM radio gloom and doom. You know, Romney didn't implement Romneycare because he thought the idea was bad, he actually believed in it, but just like every other idea the man has had he switched positions on it when he found that it hindered his never ending campaign for president. Imagine that, he flip flopped again and you all just can't admit it.

atl134
Salt Lake City, UT

"All of the existing health insurance companies will be put out of business."

That's false.

Wonder
Provo, UT

You know the biggest difference between Obamacare and Romneycare? One was passed while Obama was president, so it is BAD. The other one was passed while Romney was governor, so it is GOOD. Anything Obama = BAD. Anything Republican = GOOD. Until Obama proposes it. Then it is BAD.

Mike Richards
South Jordan, Utah

Salsa,

You either agree with the Constitution or you reject it. Nobody has the right to redefine it. Your rethoric tells us that you reject the Constitution. Article 1, Section 8 lists The authorized duties of Congress. The 10th Amendment tells us that ALL duties not authorized ate left to the States or to the people. You're either for the Constitution or you're against it. Since you're not FOR the Constitution, just what are you for?

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