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Published: Wednesday, Oct. 3 2012 8:14 p.m. MDT

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That's A Good One
Meridian, ID

Common sense goes out the window for spin. Moderate's "fuzzy math" is an example of only part of the story. Logic says that the person who just made the $100 and gave $25 of it to the government is going to do something with the other $75, right? Like buy other things, which in turn generates more revenue for other businesses, which in turn generates other opportunities to hire more "$100 dollar workers". And the process repeats itself. So, while you'd have us believe the government gets ripped off of $75, it doesn't when you consider the whole scenario. Wouldn't want to "fuzzy the math" with the whole story though.

While I'm extremely fortunate to remain employed through this entire mess, my former neighbor, very well educated, unemployed for over a year now, who recently lost his home and now lives with his daughter while he contemplates starting all over again, would argue that whatever it is our current administration is calling "forward" hasn't worked too well.

Always two sides to a story and Romney isn't the only one who would prefer not to tell them both. Obama's a master at it!

JoeBlow
Far East USA, SC

"The problem here is that even if Romney laid out his plan item by item (an impossibility given the 2-minute speaking windows during the debate), people would nit-pick those too"

Well, probably, but, Mitt has managed to lay out that he would cut all tax rates by 20%. That is pretty specific and quick to say.

He then says that he will close loopholes to keep net taxes the same. It would be pretty quick (less than 30 seconds) to list the top 5 loopholes that he would close. This would give us a general idea if his plan was mathematically feasible.

The time-crunch argument used by Romney and previously by Ryan are a smoke screen. They know the cuts will either not be enough to offset the tax cuts or will be wildly unpopular.

Shimlau
SAINT GEORGE, UT

itsjstmeagain: I remember when Reagan cut taxes, congress worked a compromise, lower rates ion exchange for cutting out some deductions, interest on credit cards comes to mind. This would have worked well, because the actual income to the government in the form of taxes (real dollars) increased! Unfortunatley, Congress didn't follow up with a little wisdom and discretion in spending, they thought that the cash cow (taxpayer) would always pay up, and we did, therefore, not only did we trade lower rates for fewer deductions, but, after a few years, we got the higher rates and the lower deductions, due to congress and their improvident spending habits!

That's A Good One
Meridian, ID

Common sense goes out the window for spin. Moderate's "fuzzy math" is an example of only part of the story. Logic says that the person who just made the $100 and gave $25 of it to the government is going to do something with the other $75, right? Like buy other things, which in turn generates more revenue for other businesses, which in turn generates other opportunities to hire more "$100 dollar workers". And the process repeats itself. So, while you'd have us believe the government gets ripped off of $75, it doesn't when you consider the whole scenario. Wouldn't want to "fuzzy the math" with the whole story though.

While I'm extremely fortunate to remain employed through this entire mess, my former neighbor, very well educated, unemployed for over a year now, who recently lost his home and now lives with his daughter while he contemplates starting all over again, would argue that whatever it is our current administration is calling "forward" hasn't worked too well.

Always two sides to a story and Romney isn't the only one who would prefer not to tell them both. Obama's the master!

Kent C. DeForrest
Provo, UT

I've read several news services' fact checks of the debate: Washington Post, CNN, Politico, Salon.com, and others. What can we conclude from all this research? That neither politician is within a light-year of the truth. They both lie, obfuscate, misrepresent, and play fast and loose with bogus numbers. To say nothing of making outrageous claims.

Overall, Rmoney's Pinocchio rating is a notch higher than Obama's, but they're both playing the same game. Voters deserve better. We need someone to tell us what is coming: cuts to many of our favorite programs, restrictions to mortgage interest and charitable contribution deductions, AND higher tax rates. It's time to pull these two candidates back from fantasyland and hold them accountable for their lies.

By the way, if you're interested, those "studies" Rmoney cited, supporting his tax "plan"? Well, they're not studies. Some are articles written by economists who consult with Rmoney's campaign or who work at conservative think tanks. The others are op-ed pieces that appeared in the WSJ. Studies? Come on, Rmoney, stop insulting our intelligence.

Moderate
Salt Lake City, UT

That's A Good One says "Like buy other things, which in turn generates more revenue for other businesses, which in turn generates other opportunities to hire more "$100 dollar workers".

Is that not the premise behind Government Stimulus plans? The government invests in an infrastructure and new private businesses spring up around that new piece of infrastructure. I would guess you'd say government stimulus is a failure, though we have seen examples that it works. History has shown "private stimulus" to be less successful. Given a tax break, it is more likely that a person or company will pocket the savings rather than hire employees.

I M LDS 2
Provo, UT

If Deseret News editorial staff are sincere and serious about what they are trying to do here, they will completely and consistently deny any comment that accuses another person of being "unAmerican" in any way, shape, or form. That's pernicious name calling if ever there was name calling!

A Scientist
Provo, UT

LDS Liberal,

I have to agree with worf, you should check your facts before you place blame.

Otherwise, you might be mistaken for a Republican!

one day...
South Jordan, UT

What about if we tax these two guys higher and they give all the money collected for their campaigns to the people of United States!
How insane is the amount collected and money that they still asking from voters, I'm I crazy or we should get money from them, by jobs and benefits?

Both of them are liars, it's all about power, you must be very arrogant and ambitious to take the lead of a country in crisis!

We need more options, Dems or Reps its all the same history, same tale.

Itsjstmeagain
Merritt Island, Fl

jwarkentin

What you described is called a "loss leader", a product the store sells at a loss in hopes it gets you in the door and you buy other things. In Romney's case, it will be a switch and bait. You go to buy it and the product is out of stock and you buy something anyway. You are recomending placing everything on sale, and you will bankrupt the company in no time.

Anyone who thinks Romney is here to support the working family is wrong.

Before yo decide on who you want to vote for, Google or Yahoo "Bain Capital American Pad and Paper" . This candidate has a broken moral compass. In a nut shell, Bain Capital bought a healthy company, loaded it up with $400 Million of debt, pulled $100 Million out of the company for "Debt Management fees" and walked away leaving investors and banks flat on the ground. Their skin in this game was $15 Million. This is his morals, people are of no consequence for a quick hundred million plus. He stole all benefits from the employees, cut wages, fired people and sucked the life out of the middle and working class. No remorse.

Rifleman
Salt Lake City, Utah

Re: A Scientist Provo, UT
"Otherwise, you might be mistaken for a Republican!"

Oh, there was no mistake as to who the Republican was in the first presidential debate. The other couldn't defend himself, his policies, or his party. An intelligent individual would have challenged Romney if he got the idea he was incorrect.

Doesn't say much for our sitting president does it!!

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