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Published: Thursday, Oct. 4 2012 12:00 a.m. MDT

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Sandy, UT

After this year's totally shameful and disgraceful DNC, I will never again vote for a Democrat, ever. As an LDS Christian, I was totally and completely offended by the utter contempt shown towards my God and His holy place of birth by what was clearly a majority of those present. This was not some radical left-wing gathering of the fringe; this was the DNC! As mainstream and official as you can get for the Democratic Party. Whatever faults the Republican Party may have, I will from this day forth vote for a Republican every time before I vote Democrat. I will gladly wait for something better than the very imperfect Republicanism, but rest assured I will never, ever vote for a Democrat again.

one old man
Ogden, UT

counter -- Perhaps I should have said "critical thinking."

Hank Pym

@ lost in DC

and BO is going right along with the corporate plutocracy of which you speak with his solyndra and other examples of crony capitalism."

Yes. He is. Its all part of the plan when you vote for an Ivy Leaguer.

@ Mike Richards 2:48 p.m. Oct. 4, 2012

Sayeth the expect when it comes to cherry picking facts.

Salt Lake City, UT

@Mike Richards

"Why did Matheson abandon the people in the 2nd district?"
This isn't true, and you know it. Jim Matheson didn't abandon the people in the 2nd district, the State Legislature gerrymandered away a significant chunk of the 2nd district, so that it bears little resemblance to the historical 2nd district.

"Why did he abandon those citizens who stood with him as he voted with Pelosi?"
Truth is, Matheson doesn't vote with Pelosi all that often, and Chaffetz & Bishop occasionally vote with Pelosi, too. As a "Blue Dog", Matheson is one of the most conservative Democrats in Congress.

"Matheson tried to 'cherry pick' a district."
No, Utah Republicans tried to make Matheson unelectable through gerrymandering, and he is just not rolling over to their unethical practice.

On the other hand
Spanish Fork, UT

@killpack, the DNC doesn't speak for Utah Democrats, most of whom believe in God and consider Israel an important ally.

And Jesus was born in Bethlehem, in Roman-occupied Palestine.

Logan, UT

We individually believe how we do because of the experiences we have and how we were raised. I appreciate the diversity that each one of us contributes, because if we were all the same things would not be very interesting. I appreciate the debate that comes from the various parties because I believe it makes the country stronger. Debate is what built this country; from the documentation I've read, the founding fathers had extremely heated and spirited debates about what needed to be included in the constitution. None of them got everything they wanted, but they all got something they agreed to and upheld. As we debate what the USA needs to move forward, it seems like it would be helpful to keep focused on the issues, even as we all argue with one another. Instead of lobbying personal attacks at any side, maybe we could try lobbying some well-thought-out solutions along with some respect. Nobody has all the power or all the answers, but working together we can continue to grow and build something wonderful. I think we can agree on some things, so lets look at those more and give the others a rest.

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Sandy, UT

On the other hand,

If the DNC doesn't speak for you as a Democrat, then why are you still a Democrat. The DNC is the Democratic party. It doesn't matter where you live. It's time for God fearing Democrats, living in Utah or not, to call themselves something else. When the majority of a group you affiliate with starts to boo God, it would probably behoove you, as a Christian, to no longer affiliate with that group. As a Christian Republican myself, if the Republican Party were to even question the importance of God at any of their own official gatherings, I would be deeply offended and would question my own affiliation with such a group. If a majority of Republicans on the other hand, booed my God, openly and without shame at the RNC for instance, I wouldn't walk, I would run away from the Republican Party. Period.

Provo, UT

@killpack -- Two things: !. I would guess you never were going to vote for a Democrat anyway, and 2. How did the DNC show contempt for "His holy place of birth"? Strange comment.

Sandy, UT


I have voted for Democrats in the past. But you are dead wrong in guessing that, before the DNC, I wouldn't have voted Democrat anyway. Why? For the very simple fact, that before this year's DNC, I never said I wouldn't vote Democrat. It wasn't until AFTER the DNC, where I observed behavior totally offensive to my Christian sensibilities, that I vowed to never again vote for a Democrat, ever. Jerusalem is not only considered holy by Muslims and Jews. For Christians, it is where our Lord and Savior was born, it is where He walked and performed miracles, and it is where He was Crucified. When Democrats booed Jerusalem at this year's convention, they showed contempt for a city considered by millions, if not billions, to be holy. I do not care to be affiliated in any way with a party that does that. Before this year's convention, that wasn't the case, though you can keep guessing.

Provo, UT

@killpack -- Only a partisan would think the Democrats booed Jeruselem. And I think you're the only person I've ever heard say that they did. That's a new one!

Sandy, UT

Well, I am a partisan now. And you seem to be missing that point. Before this year's DNC, I really wasn't.

Clearfield, UT

What!!!!????!!!! A two party system needs to be avoided at all costs and our founding fathers warned us of this. George Washington warned of the 2 party system, saying:

"It serves always to distract the Public Councils, and enfeeble the Public Administration. It agitates the Community with ill-founded jealousies and false alarms; kindles the animosity of one part against another, foments occasionally riot and insurrection. It opens the door to foreign influence and corruption, which find a facilitated access to the government itself through the channels of party passions. Thus the policy and the will of one country are subjected to the policy and will of another."

Look at what’s happening! This country is anything but united and I blame the current 2 party system and its “members”. What President Washington said above has happened and is happening. We need to acknowledge the other parties in this country, which there are many, looking to them for leadership instead of fearing them because the Republicans and Democrats are epically failing, no matter how you look at it.

Provo, UT

@killpack -- I will take your word for it then. However, I think you are basing your partisanship on things that are not quite accurate. Some Democrats did boo at the convention when some wording about God was put back in the platform. It may have been because those individuals don't like God, or, most likely, it was because they either: 1. don't think God should be mentioned in a party platform or 2. Didn't like the process of how the change was being made. You may disagree with either of those 2 reasons, but I think you have to realize that there are a lot of Democrats who believe in God and there are Republicans who don't. I just don't think this is a good reason to become a partisan Republican. As to the Jerusalem issue - the platform originally said Jerusalem should be the capital of Israel. That got taken out and then put back in. No one was booing the city or the fact that Christ lived in the Holy Land. That's why I don't understand your comments about Jerusalem from a religious perspective.

salt lake, UT

@mike richards
maybe because as you have already been told before the old second district went away thanks to republicans.

American Fork, UT

Until the church is on board, sorry about your luck.

GK Willington

@ Hutterite 5:33 p.m. Oct. 5, 2012

Curious; Are borrowing & modifying the catchphrase of James Storm (Impact Wrestling on Spike)?

Saint George, UT

I agree. Political parties are a sham. They make the ignorant appear knowledgeable and allow the apathetic to assauage their guilt for not taking care of their own problems. If you are gullible enough to believe that the Democratic and Republican parties are solving societies problems, just wait for another two or three elections. It will be worse! It doesn't matter who is in charge! Wake up! Government is not the answer and bureaucrats will not solve problems, just manage them. What a poor country indeed! Forget about the Presidential election, make sure the House representatives causes gridlock with whoever wins!

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