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Published: Thursday, Oct. 4 2012 12:00 a.m. MDT

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Logan, UT

Amen. I hear this discussion often, but even when there are great candidates in minority parties, such as Jim Matheson and Peter Cooke, they're hesitant to put a vote behind the words. It would be interesting to learn why.

Mike Richards
South Jordan, Utah

Jim Matheson has had twelve years to convince Utahns that he represents their principles and their ideals. He could have stayed in the 2nd district, but HE chose the 4th district. No one forced him to change districts. Now he's seeing that people really don't want to be represented by someone whose loyalty is to Nancy Pelosi.

Ask a few of the voters in the old 2nd district how they felt about a Representative who did not represent their values and didn't listen to their ideas. They are outraged that Matheson voted with Pelosi instead of representing them.

The caucus system is the most pure form of a Republic. America is a Republic. The people choose representatives AT ALL LEVELS to represent them and their ideas. The Caucus is where it all begins. We choose delegates to represent us at the nominating convention. That keeps us from reverting to an 8th grade popularity contest where the candidate with the deepest pockets "buys" popularity.

Everyone has the right to disagree with how things are run, but the facts show that our system is imaged after the principles of a Republic.

Hank Pym

@ Mike Richards

Do you live in hthe 2nd like I do? The 2nd is the most liberal in Utah where roughly 5 of every 8 votes went to the GOP Presidential candidate in 2000, 04, & 08.

I have no problem w/ Matheson. He should keep his constituents in mind & yet stay true to himself. It does fall on the voters to replace him if they don't like his track record.

**That keeps us from reverting to an 8th grade popularity contest where the candidate with the deepest pockets "buys" popularity.**

Please. Have you been asleep since McCain-Feingold & Citizens United took effect? The US at one point may have been a Constitutional Republic but has devolved in a Corporate Plutocracy w/ shades of Corporatism.

Huntsville, UT

@Mike Richards;

Your "values" are not the only Utah "values".

Speak for yourself.

lost in DC
West Jordan, UT

the idea that someone is disenfranchised because their candidate did not win is ludicrous. I guess that means I have been disenfranchised the last 4 years because BO currently infests the WH.

But you are correct that the caucus system is a bad way to go.

and BO is going right along with the corporate plutocracy of which you speak with his solyndra and other examples of crony capitalism.

No, Mike's values are not the only Utah values, but elections consistently show they are the predominant Utah values. So polls show he speaks for MANY more than just himself.

Salt Lake City, UT

At least with a one party system, we know who to blame when our taxes go up every year -- Republicans.

Dave D
Pocatello, ID

What a breath of fresh air this letter is. Are there others like you in Utah?

one old man
Ogden, UT

Excellent letter. But it's probably a wasted effort.

THINKING is not a Utah value.

Sandy, UT

Republicans and Democrats are two sides of the same coin. As far as I'm concerned, it doesn't matter that much which side you vote for (or against).

Ultra Bob
Cottonwood Heights, UT

How about we have a NO party system. There is a lot more disenfranchised voters in Utah besides democrats.

Candidate from the workers, renters, bus riders, bicycle people, parents, grandparents and many others never get to run for election because of the cost factor that guarantees that only the rich or business people can mount a campaign.

Stop campaigns. Let any person post a resume for election to an office. Just like someone applying for a job.

Eliminate voting districts, run all state and federal elections on a state wide basis.

Sandy, UT

Why doesn't Mr Richards substantiate in his eloquent style, what Utah values are? Is it the one that has put money in politics before the well being of it's citizens? Is it the act of selling away our environment to the highest bidder? Is it becoming one of the worst at citizen participation? Is it the absence of the 4th estate at calling out legislation that is copied directly out of the ALEC playbook. Is it cowtowing to the Eagle Forum? No, I reject this premise. I reject the comments about Matheson. He is not a liberal in any shape or form. He voted against Ms Pelosi as Speaker. This is what I mean by lack of the Utah values I grew up with. Values that were kept in check by the citizens of the State. When 1 in 3 vote, calling us a democracy is a stretch. Why is 1 in 3 voting? It's because Utah Democrats have joined the Reppublican party as moderates.

LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

Sadly --

Many are completely satisfied with a North Korean, Cuban, Communist China, Syrian, Nazi Germany ONE Party System.

Like the Frankenstein Monster,
The intention was good, but in the end, the consequnces are Horrifying!

Salt Lake City, Utah

Re: one old man Ogden, UT
"THINKING is not a Utah value."

To suggest that decent Utah voters who vote according to the dictates of their conscience are mindless robots who don't put any thought into who will best represent them is a condescending attempt to portray a supposed superiority of thought. Not even decent Democrats will buy into that line of reasoning.

We just don't buy into the concept that government is the know all solution to our problems.

one old man
Ogden, UT

Ah, Rifle, you prove my point almost daily here. Aren't the one who a few days ago listed a "count" of executive orders that was so far off accuracy that it was simply outrageous?

Thus I repeat, "THINKING is not a Utah value."

I just don't buy into the concept that a plutocrat is the know all solution to our problems.

lost in DC
West Jordan, UT

don't mind the old man. Repeating his insulting comment substantiates that he is oblivious to the bigotry or the hypocrisy of the left. If he were not blind to it, he would recognize what plutocrats BO, reid, and peliso are, and how BO's crony capitalism feeds a liberal plutocracy. See, he doesn't mind plutocrats, just conservative plutocrats. Anything's fine as long as it's liberal. I wonder how often he chants, "four legs good, two legs better"?

Salt Lake City, Utah

Re: lost in DC West Jordan, UT

Yes, you are correct. When it comes to thinking apparently only one of the two presidential debaters last night can be accused of committing that act. It is suspected that the other fellow took valium when what he really needed was a Pepsi.


@mike richards
if you asked a "few" of the old second district that agreed with yu then you would be right but since as you point out he has been voted into office for twelve years by the majority of the old second district he obviously did represent them. He could have stayed in the second district but it really would not make any difference since that district along with all the others was chopped up by republican congressmen to insure that anyone that does not march lock step with the most extreme parts of the Utah GOP that have taken over the primary system do not get representation which was the point of the letter.

Counter Intelligence
Salt Lake City, UT

"THINKING is not a Utah value."
I THINK that sounds a lot like condescension
So why should I care about the mumbling of a bitter old man?

USS Enterprise, UT

To the libs out there. Repeating a lie does not make it true. You claim that Utah is a single party state. Lets look at some facts.

Currently there are 22 state senate Republicans and 7 state senate Democrats. In the House of representatives there are 58 Republicans and 17 Democrats. If Utah is a single party state, why are there Democrats in the Legislature?

Now, since you don't like it because they don't reflect you liberal ideals, lets take a look at what their conservative leaning actions have done:

"Utah ranks number one in well-being index" - DN

"Utah ranks as top pro-business state, report says" DN

"Utah ranks 4th for child well-being" - DN

"Personal Income Has Grown More in Conservative States Than Liberal" -The Blaze. Utah ranks #4 in increase

"Report: Utah's economic outlook improving" - DN

"Utah tops national economic report" - DN

"Forbes Magazine ranks Utah 'the best state for business'" - DN

"In our opinion: Utah's budget success" –DN

“Utahns top nation in voluntarism; contributions of Utah volunteers valued at nearly $4 billion” -DN

Mike Richards
South Jordan, Utah

Why did Matheson abandon the people in the 2nd district? Why did he abandon those citizens who stood with him as he voted with Pelosi? Did he think that the people of the 4th district couldn't read? Did he think that nobody in the 4th district could check his record? Did he burn so many bridges in tbe 2nd district that he knew that Utah citizens would send him packing in the 2nd district? Where does he live? Why didn't he want his neighbors to vote?

Matheson tried to "cherry pick" a district. He tries to "game" there system. Mia Love has shown that Matheson was foolish.

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