I have a couple of questions. First, why was the first string quarter back
for Juab put back into the game when his own mother said she talked to him and
he was not making any sense? He most likely should have been taken to an
emergency room and examined.Second,when players are spearing(helmet to
helmet contact), doesn't this hurt the neck of the one doing the spearing
most? The one who has his head down hitting the other players is the one doing
the spearing. Right?The coach that was out on the field yelling at the
South Sevier players was not their own coach, and the players walking past
heckling the South Sevier fans were not South Sevier players. I was there, no
one spat on anyone and no one threw anything! Just saying.
Vinnyb3, In my current situation I am unable to access the research but I was in
student government/activities for over 20 years, read the research, and was
always frustrated that sports got such a disproportionate % of the money and
attention while, of all the extracurricular activities, athletics actually was
the poorest predictor of long-term success. An argument could be made that
students who are inclined to participate in debate, music, drama, etc., already
have the kind of personality that would make them successful anyway and that
their participation isn't a factor. But, we don't know this. We do
know that some undesirable traits are found more often in athletes (cheating,
aggressiveness, etc.) than in the normal population. (I don't notice that
professional athletes are people of sterling character.)It is true that athletic
participation is beneficial to some students. But, if it is beneficial, then it
ought to be available to all students who want to participate and not be
arbitrarily limited primarily to very large kids.
They learned well from the coach at Utah
How is this a news story again? Parents behaving badly at a jr. league football
game? And the Deseret News runs a spread on it this large? Really? I kept
reading, waiting for the brawl or assault to occur, but it didn't. It was
just a bunch of sour grapes on both sides. What a waist of time. I give this
article a 0.
Re: "Little league football game in Fillmore turns ugly"Why
tag Fillmore with this misconduct? The culprits were not only from out of town,
but out of county. It had very little to do with Fillmore.DN's
thoughtless title unfairly tars innocents with too broad a brush.
I saw both these "programs" up close this year as my kid played them
both. The details of the story actually sounds exactly like both programs. I
saw Juab call time out up 3-4 scores to get the ball back with less than 30
seconds to go in the half. The other team had yet to get a FIRST DOWN. I told
my kid that "yea it was classless, and I hope your coaches would not do
that, but it's within the rules. You can whine about it, but then
they're classless and you're still a whiner. Just make a good mental
note." I then saw one of the main guys for my kids team leave the game and
ultimately the season on a hit that seemed normal. The kids talked about how
"under the pile" the tackling kid was twisting his neck and helmet.
Again, I'm not sure what the truth was, but a serious neck injury later it
makes you wonder. This looks like a situation of a bad combination of some
silly coaching. I mean "why" was an onside kick called and
"why" were kids taking pot shots: SImple answer: coaching.
It is a sad thing when boys become tools of men's egos. It reflects on the
sad state of those men's inner life.
I've been on both sides of lopsided scores and I always say the same
thing..."It's not their team's job to stop themselves" and
"It's not my job to stop myself."
This Juab coach has shown poor sportsmanship all year long. With a large lead in
the score, most coaches will put there second string players in to get some
playing time. Not this coach, while the losing team puts their second teams in,
this coach will keep his first string in, kick on side kicks and call trick
plays to continue to run up the score. This coach needs to learn some
sportsmanship. I completely understand and side with the South Sevier folks on
this issue. Come on Juab you can do better!
JSBCould you cite that clear research for me? Although there is
some truth in what you say, your point works both ways. One could argue that
drama and music make a large contribution to what's wrong with society with
they way they portray sex and violence. So we should probably drop all those
programs too eh? My point is that these programs are what you make them.
Athletics were very beneficial to me and even when things got a little chippy it
helped me learn how to deal with conflict. Another couple of
points: 1. Athletics do get money, but they also bring in money. 2.
Not everyone likes debate, music, etc. or is good at it so sports are one way
for them to get into college. 3. There are a lot of athletes who are
involved in those other activities that you named, including myself.
#1- It's football. If you can't take a hit, get off the field. Go play
baseball.#2- It's a sport. Winning is the goal, not
"sportsmanship." Play by the rules, but above all else, win.#3-
Sounds like the fans (mostly parents I am sure) were the source of all issues.
They should have just kicked all them out and let the kids play.
Sounds like they should have stopped the game at half time. Were they using
I was surprised at the intesity of youth sports in Utah many years ago. The
coaches willingness to lie to the kids and the attitude that every game seemed
to be the Super Bowl , for the coach at least. The team , by the way, was a
group of five year olds.
The article wasn't about a couple of hard hits it was about people who cant
accept the fact that it is a game. Judging by the article it isn't the boys
who need to learn sportsmanship it is the parents and coaches who did most of
the yelling, name calling, and even spitting. How absolutely pathetic. I always
groan a little when I hear people talk about the critical life lessons learned
through athletics. There certainly are valuable lessons kids learn through
excelling and working hard, functioning as a team, and executing plans. I
totally agree with that. The problem is all of the other lessons they seem to
pick up from their "win-at-all-costs" coaches and parents. Typically
good people who check their values at the gate when they enter the playing
field. Sorry to those of you out there who love sport and don't condone
those attitudes. I know you exist. There just aren't enough of you anymore
for my liking.
People defend sports. They say it is good for the participants and the fans.
But, these people are in denial. The sports industry is getting uglier and
uglier. Instead of being a reflection of what is good in our society, modern
sports, especially football, is a sad reflection of what is wrong with society.
Given the significant risk of permanent injury, the rotten sportsmanship by the
junior high players and even by their parents plus all the other negatives,
isn't it time we dropped football and did something more civilized? Why in
the world do our schools sponsor sports (especially football) when research
clearly shows that participation in debate is a significantly better predictor
of long-term lifetime success than participation in football? So is
participation in drama, music, school publications, student government, clubs.
This research is clear. Yet who gets all the money and attention: Athletes!
Another evidence that our society is all messed up.
And the next morning they all headed off happily to their respective religious
services, sure that it was all the other side's fault...
Lay this fiasco on the heads of the coaches and the parents.'Ol
Vince Lombardi who said "Winning isn't everything; it's the only
thing" can take a lot of credit, too.No excuse when coaches and
parents act like junior high is the Super Bowl.What do the kids
learn? To act like lawless gangsters!There's no sport in that.
"Let it die" is probably an unfortunately apt comment. In 2008
Scientific American published an article, akin to many we've read in even
more recent years, about concussions. This present Deseret News article, too,
uses the word "concussion." That's the real tragedy here. As
parents we are still blindly looking for healthy outlets for our children's
desire to participate in wholesome activities and be active physically and
socially, but yet we are still steering them into danger, sometimes for some
parents as an outlet for our own desires to relive the excitement we once
experienced. Who suffers? The brain cells of the little boys. "Let them
die.""Concussions Exact Toll on Football Players Long After
They Retire" is the title of the article.
That is the problem. Archer, Disgruntled, and Belching Cow don't even see
the problem.Our society is losing the dignity of sport and playing
with class.It is long past time to change.I am glad the
refs stopped this game. Let's send a loud message to the youth out there
that it is time to learn what sportsmanship is all about.Winning
isn't everything. It is a marketing lie that everyone needs to stopped
buying into.Elder Uchtdorf got it right when he said we all wear the
Just "an unfortunate series of events?" Sounds like the
"unfortunate events" were a culture of bad sportsmanship. Attitude
reflects leadership. The boys merely put into practice what they have been
raised to believe is acceptable behavior. The tragedy is that everyone acts
like it was a situation that no one caused and was outside of their control.
Whatever happened to throwing players and coaches out of a game? Instead, all
were punished and nothing was learned. I recommend reading "The
Sportsman's Charter," which can be found in the US Equestrian
Federation's rule book. Excerpts include:"That sport is
something done for the fun of doing it and that it ceases to be sport when it
becomes a business only, something done for what there is in it;"That good manners of sport are fundamentally important;"That...the whole structure of sport is justified by...the positive
virtues of courage, patience, good temper, and unselfishness"That the qualities of frankness, courage, and sincerity which mark the
good sportsman in private lifeshall mark the discussions of his interests
at a competition."
Where there is smoke, there is fire... the boys are the smoke. The players are a
reflection of what they have been taught by their coaches and parents.
Unfortunately this is not isolated in small town Utah, it happens every week
along the Wasatch Front and across the country (see recent article about
bounties offered to a California LL Football team players). The real story here
has not been uncovered. I would suggest digging a little further and see which
adults are behind the actions of these impressionable young men who are simply
Them boys take their foosball seriously down there. Classy. Good laugh to
start my day off.
Well said Archer.....let it die.
So once again with kids sports, thanks parents (fans) for not being able to
control yourself's . Due to your moronic behavior your kids lost out. You
should be so proud of yourselves and the lessons you are teaching. Better yet
parents, grow up or stay home.
I'm usually very lenient about what is or isn't newsworthy, but in
this case, I seriously do not believe this was on the front page. A few hard
hits? In some small town? In a game between middle schoolers? Come on now.
InspectorC,Juab is from Nephi and S. Sevier is from Monroe (by Richfield).
No, these schools don't feed into the same HS. This is small town
football where you only have one team per grade for the school. Don't have
enough population to have a little league program in which you have a number of
teams per city. So, the teams play other small towns around the area. The
teams feed into Juab (3A) and S.Sevier (2A) High Schools.
Juab is in Nephi and the players feed into Juab HS. I believe South Sevier is
located in Moroni, UT and the kids would feed into South Sevier HS. I am not
sure why the game was in Fillmore unless it was a neutral setting as it lies
between both towns. Millard HS is located in Fillmore BTW.As far as
some prep history, In 2008 Timpview tried an onside kick ahead 42-0 in its game
against Provo. Actually the T-birds tried it twice (unsuccessfully) and ended
winning the game 63-0. The coaches and players didn't shake hands after
the game but fortunately there were no brawls or incidents after the game
though. The two schools, from the same community of Provo, have taken some
steps to temper the rivalry including recognizing students and alumni at
basketball games. So it is hoped that these two communities can heal their
wounds...Lastly, I have always wondered if parents should be allowed
to these games sometimes. Perhaps the Juab coaches did error in its decision to
do an onside kick but it seems the South Sevier parents escalated the situation
by engaging the coaches.
I know the dateline on this article reads: "Fillmore".But
the article failed to identify which city or cities these two teams are from.
And I'm curious if they both feed into the same high school (and which HS
that is?) Or... which two high schools they feed into, respectively?Sorry I'm not better on my geography or UHSAA structure. But then....
that's why I'm asking.
This is nothing new, props to South Sevier. I have seen this same
set of coaches up by 28 call a time out with less than a minute to play; against
small non-startes to get another score, then quick snap the ball to get another
2 on the extra point. In another game against not starters with less than 2
minutes up by twenty call a double reverse pass to get one more touchdown. Juab has really good middle school football, they have as many kids in
one grade than most schools have playing in all three grades. They have
dominated 6-8 football for years, however, against better coaches and schools
that take talent from numerous grades they get worked in high school. They are
just a .500 hundred program. One and done in the playoffs each year. So, keep running the score up it helps motivate the kids with the better high
school programs. Again, props to South Seveir, D-News made them
sound like the bad guys.