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Published: Sunday, Sept. 30 2012 10:03 p.m. MDT

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ABITOUTSIDE
Central, UT

This is nothing new, props to South Sevier.

I have seen this same set of coaches up by 28 call a time out with less than a minute to play; against small non-startes to get another score, then quick snap the ball to get another 2 on the extra point. In another game against not starters with less than 2 minutes up by twenty call a double reverse pass to get one more touchdown.

Juab has really good middle school football, they have as many kids in one grade than most schools have playing in all three grades. They have dominated 6-8 football for years, however, against better coaches and schools that take talent from numerous grades they get worked in high school. They are just a .500 hundred program. One and done in the playoffs each year.

So, keep running the score up it helps motivate the kids with the better high school programs.

Again, props to South Seveir, D-News made them sound like the bad guys.

InspectorC
Wasatch Front, UT

I know the dateline on this article reads: "Fillmore".

But the article failed to identify which city or cities these two teams are from. And I'm curious if they both feed into the same high school (and which HS that is?) Or... which two high schools they feed into, respectively?

Sorry I'm not better on my geography or UHSAA structure. But then.... that's why I'm asking.

eagle
Provo, UT

Juab is in Nephi and the players feed into Juab HS. I believe South Sevier is located in Moroni, UT and the kids would feed into South Sevier HS. I am not sure why the game was in Fillmore unless it was a neutral setting as it lies between both towns. Millard HS is located in Fillmore BTW.

As far as some prep history, In 2008 Timpview tried an onside kick ahead 42-0 in its game against Provo. Actually the T-birds tried it twice (unsuccessfully) and ended winning the game 63-0. The coaches and players didn't shake hands after the game but fortunately there were no brawls or incidents after the game though. The two schools, from the same community of Provo, have taken some steps to temper the rivalry including recognizing students and alumni at basketball games. So it is hoped that these two communities can heal their wounds...

Lastly, I have always wondered if parents should be allowed to these games sometimes. Perhaps the Juab coaches did error in its decision to do an onside kick but it seems the South Sevier parents escalated the situation by engaging the coaches.

Boys of Fall
Fillmore, UT

InspectorC,
Juab is from Nephi and S. Sevier is from Monroe (by Richfield). No, these schools don't feed into the same HS. This is small town football where you only have one team per grade for the school. Don't have enough population to have a little league program in which you have a number of teams per city. So, the teams play other small towns around the area. The teams feed into Juab (3A) and S.Sevier (2A) High Schools.

Archer
Salt Lake City, Utah

I'm usually very lenient about what is or isn't newsworthy, but in this case, I seriously do not believe this was on the front page. A few hard hits? In some small town? In a game between middle schoolers? Come on now.

justme001
Salt Lake, UT

So once again with kids sports, thanks parents (fans) for not being able to control yourself's . Due to your moronic behavior your kids lost out. You should be so proud of yourselves and the lessons you are teaching. Better yet parents, grow up or stay home.

Disgruntled
Nephi, UT

Well said Archer.....let it die.

Belching Cow
Sandy, UT

Them boys take their foosball seriously down there. Classy. Good laugh to start my day off.

Black & White
SLC, UT

Where there is smoke, there is fire... the boys are the smoke. The players are a reflection of what they have been taught by their coaches and parents. Unfortunately this is not isolated in small town Utah, it happens every week along the Wasatch Front and across the country (see recent article about bounties offered to a California LL Football team players). The real story here has not been uncovered. I would suggest digging a little further and see which adults are behind the actions of these impressionable young men who are simply following orders.

Midwest Mom
Soldiers Grove, WI

Just "an unfortunate series of events?" Sounds like the "unfortunate events" were a culture of bad sportsmanship. Attitude reflects leadership. The boys merely put into practice what they have been raised to believe is acceptable behavior. The tragedy is that everyone acts like it was a situation that no one caused and was outside of their control. Whatever happened to throwing players and coaches out of a game? Instead, all were punished and nothing was learned.

I recommend reading "The Sportsman's Charter," which can be found in the US Equestrian Federation's rule book. Excerpts include:

"That sport is something done for the fun of doing it and that it ceases to be sport when it becomes a business only, something done for what there is in it;

"That good manners of sport are fundamentally important;

"That...the whole structure of sport is justified by...the positive virtues of courage, patience, good temper, and unselfishness

"That the qualities of frankness, courage, and sincerity which mark the good sportsman in private life
shall mark the discussions of his interests at a competition."

Red
Salt Lake City, UT

That is the problem. Archer, Disgruntled, and Belching Cow don't even see the problem.

Our society is losing the dignity of sport and playing with class.

It is long past time to change.

I am glad the refs stopped this game. Let's send a loud message to the youth out there that it is time to learn what sportsmanship is all about.

Winning isn't everything. It is a marketing lie that everyone needs to stopped buying into.

Elder Uchtdorf got it right when he said we all wear the same jersey!

Stephen Kent Ehat
Lindon, UT

"Let it die" is probably an unfortunately apt comment. In 2008 Scientific American published an article, akin to many we've read in even more recent years, about concussions. This present Deseret News article, too, uses the word "concussion." That's the real tragedy here. As parents we are still blindly looking for healthy outlets for our children's desire to participate in wholesome activities and be active physically and socially, but yet we are still steering them into danger, sometimes for some parents as an outlet for our own desires to relive the excitement we once experienced. Who suffers? The brain cells of the little boys. "Let them die."

"Concussions Exact Toll on Football Players Long After They Retire" is the title of the article.

yarrlydarb
Ogden, UT

Lay this fiasco on the heads of the coaches and the parents.

'Ol Vince Lombardi who said "Winning isn't everything; it's the only thing" can take a lot of credit, too.

No excuse when coaches and parents act like junior high is the Super Bowl.

What do the kids learn? To act like lawless gangsters!

There's no sport in that.

Shameless!

NedGrimley
Brigham City, UT

And the next morning they all headed off happily to their respective religious services, sure that it was all the other side's fault...

JSB
Sugar City, ID

People defend sports. They say it is good for the participants and the fans. But, these people are in denial. The sports industry is getting uglier and uglier. Instead of being a reflection of what is good in our society, modern sports, especially football, is a sad reflection of what is wrong with society. Given the significant risk of permanent injury, the rotten sportsmanship by the junior high players and even by their parents plus all the other negatives, isn't it time we dropped football and did something more civilized? Why in the world do our schools sponsor sports (especially football) when research clearly shows that participation in debate is a significantly better predictor of long-term lifetime success than participation in football? So is participation in drama, music, school publications, student government, clubs. This research is clear. Yet who gets all the money and attention: Athletes! Another evidence that our society is all messed up.

HighlandsHome
Highland, Utah

The article wasn't about a couple of hard hits it was about people who cant accept the fact that it is a game. Judging by the article it isn't the boys who need to learn sportsmanship it is the parents and coaches who did most of the yelling, name calling, and even spitting. How absolutely pathetic. I always groan a little when I hear people talk about the critical life lessons learned through athletics. There certainly are valuable lessons kids learn through excelling and working hard, functioning as a team, and executing plans. I totally agree with that. The problem is all of the other lessons they seem to pick up from their "win-at-all-costs" coaches and parents. Typically good people who check their values at the gate when they enter the playing field. Sorry to those of you out there who love sport and don't condone those attitudes. I know you exist. There just aren't enough of you anymore for my liking.

Brian
Wasilla, AK

I was surprised at the intesity of youth sports in Utah many years ago. The coaches willingness to lie to the kids and the attitude that every game seemed to be the Super Bowl , for the coach at least. The team , by the way, was a group of five year olds.

JD Books
Sulphurdale, UT

Sounds like they should have stopped the game at half time. Were they using replacement refs?

Spectre23
West Valley City, UT

#1- It's football. If you can't take a hit, get off the field. Go play baseball.
#2- It's a sport. Winning is the goal, not "sportsmanship." Play by the rules, but above all else, win.
#3- Sounds like the fans (mostly parents I am sure) were the source of all issues. They should have just kicked all them out and let the kids play.

vinnyb3
Provo, UT

JSB

Could you cite that clear research for me? Although there is some truth in what you say, your point works both ways. One could argue that drama and music make a large contribution to what's wrong with society with they way they portray sex and violence. So we should probably drop all those programs too eh? My point is that these programs are what you make them. Athletics were very beneficial to me and even when things got a little chippy it helped me learn how to deal with conflict.

Another couple of points:
1. Athletics do get money, but they also bring in money.
2. Not everyone likes debate, music, etc. or is good at it so sports are one way for them to get into college.
3. There are a lot of athletes who are involved in those other activities that you named, including myself.

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