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Published: Monday, Oct. 1 2012 12:00 a.m. MDT

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Midvaliean
MIDVALE, UT

But in some cases its different. Many people who have lots of money hardly worked at all. I won't disagree that Government is inefficient. But to say all of our fore-fathers worked hard to get their money is a lie.

JoeBlow
Far East USA, SC

Keith,

Aren't all taxes a form of redistribution of wealth?

Well, it is irrefutable that money is moving upward.

Can someone prove to me that either
1) the rich are getting smarter and working harder
OR
2) the poor and middle class are getting dumber and lazier

Unless one or both of these are happening, then the system is rigged in favor of the wealthy.

And that would constitute a "redistribution of wealth"

Mountanman
Hayden, ID

America has gone from being a nation of great achievers a decade ago and has become a nation where the majority of people are now entitlement receivers. We used to lead the world in accomplishments in every area; technology, medicine, education, engineering and philanthropy. Some politicians, clamoring for political power told us to despise the achievers and convinced voters that “economic justice” means that the receivers should obtain wealth they didn’t earn by income redistribution, healthcare they don’t pay for and entitlements they did not earn by any effort on their part. I have no doubt Obama will be re-elected by the majority of people in America who are on the receiving end. The real definition of justice means we ultimately will receive what we have earned, what we deserve not what someone else has earned. Double digit inflation awaits us and a total economic collapse (real economic justice) before the end of Obama’s second term. Why? Massive debt as the Obama administration continues to borrow our future to pay for the receiver’s entitlements.

RanchHand
Huntsville, UT

The actual "wealth creators" are those who actually make something, not those who never lift a finger except to push a "buy/sell" button for their stock portfolio.

liberal larry
salt lake City, utah

It's so nice to read this letter, I'm sure Mr. Rienholt will be the first to advocate eliminating the onerous property taxes that we pay in Utah for public schools. As a small business person I will use the extra $12,000. per year to continue my role as a job creator, and since we have never had children we can count on all parents to see to it that all of their children get a quality self funded education. All this socialist redistribution of my wealth, for public schools, is just killing my desire to improve our properties, and create more jobs.
Let's show the rest of the country we mean business (pun intended), and get rid of SOCIALIZED EDUCATION!

Blue
Salt Lake City, UT

This letter is absolute, total nonsense. It's all I can do to not user stronger language.

"When government takes from those who create to redistribute the wealth, it is consumed without bettering either the creator or the recipient. "

Are you seriously saying that roads, bridges, airports and waterways do not benefit American citizens? Or the myriad private contractors who build and maintain them?

Food inspectors? Police? Fire fighters? Paramedics? Teachers? Libraries? National Parks? You're not "better" for these things?

"Government is also inherently inefficient and wasteful."

That's also absolute nonsense. Two points:

First, most government functions operate under expectations of transparency and public accountability. You know what's really "efficient?" Corruption. I therefore expect transparency and accountability from government, and that of necessity slows them down a little. I'm OK with that.

Second, "efficiency" is a tricky word where public sector services are concerned and how you define it and what you choose to measure makes a big different in the score. Ever heard of apples vs. oranges?

Chest-thumping about "redistribution" is popular with conservatives these days, but it doesn't change the fact that it's still a ridiculous load of nonsense.

LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

I see another "Atlas Shrugged", Ayn Rand reader.

BTW - The Paris Hiltons [and MOST wealthy people] inheirted their $$$, they are hardly job creators.

Even Mitt Romney vulture capitalism, and his kids "trust funds" will never "work" to create wealth.

Buying and selling stock, or collecting interest is called "money changing", it creates NOTHING.

Twin Lights
Louisville, KY

Govt. is neither efficient nor inefficient. Rather, it does some things poorly and and other things well - if it is correctly organized and incentivized.

In my experience, when Govt. does poorly things that it should do well it is most often because politics has been injected into the process. An example might be when the military says cut A and B from our budget but congressmen say to instead cut X and Y (because A and B affect their districts).

The concept that all taxation is bad argues for no govt. at all. In such a circumstance, there would be no wealth for anyone except the warlords. One of the first things settlers did in an area was to bring law and order to the area via govt. Why? Because it allows the farmers, merchants, and others to go about their business.

For certain endeavors (highways, airports, dams, etc.) govt. is essential and becomes an indirect wealth creator for a region.

If we wish to argue that this or that program is unnecessary or improper - fine. Let's have that discussion. Otherwise be VERY careful what you ask for.

J Thompson
SPRINGVILLE, UT

Government has authority to tax us for the specific things listed in the Constitution. ALL of us is required tp pay for those things. NONE of us is exempt. The STATES were accessed a portion of the cost of those things, based on their population, not on their wealth. The 16th Amendment changed that:

"The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration."

That change in HOW we are taxed did not extend government's authority to create new projects to tax us for. Those "projects" are enumerated in Article 1, Section 8. Anything not listed there is to be left to the States or to the People:

"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."

Redistribution of wealth is not found in the Constitution. It is a despicable tool used by people in power to retain their power. It transfers business building wealth from the people to the government - where it is wasted on pork projects.

Ultra Bob
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Just another letter designed to keep the liberals occupied while the real conservatives are off doing their dastardly deeds.

In the words of that great philosopher Daffy Duck, “it’s dessspicable”.

The Real Maverick
Orem, UT

Our forefathers worked hard?

Ahhh yes! You must mean, the folks who were captured in Africa, taken across the sea, and worked in the fields all day without any pay! Ah I would definitely agree with you.

Henderson
Orem, UT

"Doing so will free up existing wealth to create new jobs, new small businesses and thus create wealth at all levels of society and enable the poor to raise their condition."

You must have missed the Bush Administration. We lowered taxes. So where are the jobs?

Furthermore, why would "job creators" create jobs when most of us don't have the wealth anymore to buy their products and services?

We're already thousands of dollars in credit card and student loan debt just trying to make ends meet.

We need to build America up from the bottom up. That way, folks will have the wealth enough to buy products and services thus causing the "job creators" a reason to create jobs.

John C. C.
Payson, UT

Keith, it's not government vs. the people, it's government by the people. Please join us.

LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

When 1% owns 80% of everything, they should pay 80% of the taxes.

When a rich man builds his roads,
builds his own infra-structure [water, sewr, power],
has his own police force,
has his own Fire & Ambulance,
educates his own workforce,
finds his own medical cures,
and builds and maintains his own standing army,
THEN and only then can cry about how unfair the redistibution of wealth is.

A little history lesson,
Read up on the French Revolution if you really believe the rich will take it upon themselves to do the right things for Society.

BRM
Pleasant Grove, Utah

Excellent letter. People have to be continually reminded that government does not create wealth they get it from taxpayers. All of your critics want to argue that you do not want any taxes or any government. We want and need good government and reasonable taxes. We do not want big government and high taxes.

one old man
Ogden, UT

TwinLights -- your comment was excellent. Thank you.

John C. C.
Payson, UT

J. Thompson, the Supreme Court and I disagree with your interpretation of the 16th amendment. I invite all who agree with you to continue exercising your freedom to persuade the rest of us to change our minds. Until then the redistribution of wealth is both legal and constitutional.

Hank Pym
SLC, UT

re: Blue & LDS Liberal

Mitt & his kind are all in favor of *redistribution*.

*Socialism* for the 1% is par for the course. They feel *entitled* to compensation from Joe Average via DC when one of their ill conceived 21st century lower Manhattan equivalent of 3 card monte fails.

Wonder
Provo, UT

@BRM -- I've asked this question before, but no conservative will ever answer it: How much is a "reasonable tax"? Conservatives think they are paying too much now. How much do you think you should pay? Tax rates are at an all time low (that's why so many do not pay taxes -- the tax rates have been reduced and reduced until there are many that fall below the line where taxes are paid). How low do they need to go before you will be happy? Or will you complain no matter what the rates are? That's why people say conservatives don't want to pay taxes and want something for nothing (government services for paying no taxes). Because if you complain at this point in history when taxes are so relatively low, when will you ever be satisfied? It truly seems like you don't want to pay any taxes at all, but you sure do want your benefits.

JoeBlow
Far East USA, SC

Look,

Truths - Not Left, Not Right, Just truths

-Taxes, both individual and corporate (effective) are at historical lows
-Spending is too high
-Deficits are too high
-current and projected entitlement spending is unsustainable
-A budget with all spending cuts and entitlement reform with no tax increases will NEVER PASS in congress
-A budget with all tax increased and small spending cuts or minor entitlement reform will NEVER PASS in congress
-what we are doing today is a path to ruin.

So, you have 2 choices.

Tell you congressmen to hold out for everything you want or vote NO
Tell your congressmen to get as much as they can but do better than what we have today.

Disagree with me? Fine. Refute my "truths" with facts and provide a better (realistic) choice.
Realistic = budget with broad bipartisan support

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